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Togekiss with Nastly Pot

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xNalx   

 

Togekiss has been one of the most annoying pokemons to fight against, since he has roost, heal bell, nastly pot, air slash and among other moves that makes him a very used poke ,why can he get out of a stall by giving heal bell or roost then a nastly pot and then giving himself a sequel of air slash

 

The problem is that a pokemon of the size of the togekiss (very HP, good defense, medium speed, sp def medium and a sp atk a little high) that holds a lot of damage and still returns an unbalanced damage with a lot of chance to give you a "RNG" (flinch, burn, Critical hit) is not very cool and with nastly Pot the damage only increases ... 

 

 

go your opinion

 

 

I'm sorry for my english :/

 

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Takens   
58 minutes ago, xNalx said:

Aura Sphere.

it wont ho ko

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xNalx   
1 minute ago, Takens said:

it wont ho ko

with a nastly pot?

+2 0 SpA Togekiss Aura Sphere vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Magnezone: 154-182 (105.4 - 124.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO 

+2 0 SpA Togekiss Aura Sphere vs. 168 HP / 0 SpD Tyranitar in Sand: 188-224 (95.9 - 114.2%) -- 81.3% chance to OHKO

 

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Bubaili   

Honestly when I see the Hax clause which forbids items like King's Rock affecting Hax during battles I wonder why Togekiss Serenity Grace ability is not forbidden too. It works with the same effect. Togekiss would remain strong anyway because of its stats and move pool and it would have 30% flinch like the rest of the pokemons. 

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gbwead   

With the right defensive sets, dnite, aerodactyl, emolga, milotic, blissey, cryogonal and crobat can all counter togekiss very well.

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Bubaili   

Still a flinch at 50% or over should be forbidden otherwise why not allow king's rock too?

There are pokemons with inner focus as you mentioned some. They can perfectly counter it. 

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suigin   
4 hours ago, Bubaili said:

Honestly when I see the Hax clause which forbids items like King's Rock affecting Hax during battles I wonder why Togekiss Serenity Grace ability is not forbidden too. It works with the same effect. Togekiss would remain strong anyway because of its stats and move pool and it would have 30% flinch like the rest of the pokemons. 

One makes Togekiss pull luck based bullshit.

The other one makes everyone pull luck based bullshit.

 

If the only other ability alternative for Kiss wasn't Hustle, which is completely worthless on it, I'd probably propose banning Serene Grace (Which would probably still cause plenty of backlash), alas Kiss plays too important of a role in the meta to force it to use Hustle and Super Luck won't be out for a while.

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suigin   
1 minute ago, RysPicz said:

I wanna see the rants when Jirachi will appear in this game in 20 years

I suggested having a lore friendly implementation of Jirachi where it only appears once every 1000 years so hopefully they'll go for that.

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Bubaili   
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One makes Togekiss pull luck based bullshit. => 60%

The other one makes everyone pull luck based bullshit. => 10%

Just saying... 

I honestly dont mind about Togekiss in pvp, i got ways to deal with but the hax clause doesnt make any sense if we keep togekiss with serena grace. 

 

Besides on Pokemmo it's not the first time one pokemon in particular got nerfed (hi Draco meteor hydreigon)

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8 minutes ago, Bubaili said:

Besides on Pokemmo it's not the first time one pokemon in particular got nerfed (hi Draco meteor hydreigon)

Yeah im surely happy to get my hydrei to learn draco meteor

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razimove   

nasty plot is the problem for you? And here I am ranting about how cancerous it is to fight scarf togekiss.
 

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FlaFlaPT   

If you get annoyed by nasty plot toge with heal bell, then you should try running less stall/fat teams because the whole purpose of that set isn't to hax through, is to destroy stall. I feel like most people of this meta think "I'll use 3 to 4 fat mons and I'll do fine" which strengthens this set.

 

The scarf set is the brainless I'll just hax through set, which works great vs offense and loses power as the opposing team gets fatter because requires more coin flips to ko.

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52 minutes ago, foyone said:

what about nerf air slash from %30 flinch to %20?

Then you will nerf any Pokémon that learns Air Slash, the move isn't the issue suggest by the OP. It is the Pokemon + the ability + the move.

 

Just use scarf Tyranitar and ez pz dead.

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RayUwU   

Nerf Air slash or togekiss? why not? The dragons are nerfs (hydre without Draco Meteor and Outrage 90 of 120, Knock Off with 20 of 65 in 6ta gen and maybe more idk. 

 

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gbwead   

Those are not technically nerfs (outrage and knock off). The reason why outrage is at 90 bp and knock off at 20 is because otherwise we would end up with some insanely powerful mons against which there would be little to no counter play. That's not the case when it comes to Togekiss and/or Air Slash; there are numerous ways to deal with Togekiss no matter how strong or versatile it may be.

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razimove   
2 hours ago, gbwead said:

Those are not technically nerfs (outrage and knock off). The reason why outrage is at 90 bp and knock off at 20 is because otherwise we would end up with some insanely powerful mons against which there would be little to no counter play. That's not the case when it comes to Togekiss and/or Air Slash; there are numerous ways to deal with Togekiss no matter how strong or versatile it may be.

also, 65bp knock, was only introduced in gen6, together with the stones and z's

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gbwead   
48 minutes ago, razimove said:

also, 65bp knock, was only introduced in gen6, together with the stones and z's

ya, i just meant that 20 bp knock off and 90 bp outrage both exist in gen 3 and gen 5, so those are not nerfs, just shitty versions of the moves.

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RayUwU   

 

Of course there are many ways to deal with them, in the same way with Hydre plus Cometa Draco after all there is a drop of 2 levels, same with dragonite steels pokes (Skarmory,Ferrothorn, Bronzong or faster pokes type dragon/ice, prority included).

The problem no is a counter for togekiss, the problem is the broken hab plus move, if you lose your poke ¨counter¨ or kiss flich any turn u poke ¨counter¨, kiss its a poke so bulk, with a decent speed and a lot of skill (luck), too unfair in my opinion, thing for which other pokes have been banned (Dugtrio).

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