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Hello guys, I need competitive help!

I'm really into pokemmo  and I've been playing since a long while but I never unfortunately played it competitively even though I always wanted to. I want to learn the  competitive aspect and to be able to play on my own successfully on matchmaking to practice but I just don't know where to start from. I'm really down to reading and practicing but not knowing where to start really keeps killing my mood because there is too much to learn and digest. I so far mastered IVs/EVs and Breeding to an acceptable level. Currently working on weaknesses, 2x, 4x table and I'm digging through internet, pokemmo forum guides and youtube to get all the info I can about the competitive aspect of the game . The forums are helpful to learn from but the information I get from other resources or youtube is mostly about other generations of the game, way too ahead of my knowledge (for example videos talking about predicting and team building) and I have a very limited knowledge to be able to understand and learn it all. All the info about generations, pokemons, weaknesses, hidden abilities, synergies and stuff is too hard to get on once!

 

Guys, seriously, where should I start my competitive adventure? Where did you start?
How did you learn to build those pretty move-sets and teams I envy when I watch the tournaments?
I'd be so grateful for every tip, resource or anything you'll help me out with.

Please help this noob start :D.



 

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Just accept you might suck and improve accordingly :)

 

No but on a more serious note, just get your first team what you would expect to work. It might not but that's fine, everyone needs countless battles to make their teams the best. Just whenever you see a specific Pokemon turns out to be too big of a problem, try to think what Pokemon could be an appropriate counter. If you can't think of one, I'm sure the forums will. That's all there is to it really, good luck.

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8 hours ago, OrangeManiac said:

Just accept you might suck and improve accordingly :)

 

No but on a more serious note, just get your first team what you would expect to work. It might not but that's fine, everyone needs countless battles to make their teams the best. Just whenever you see a specific Pokemon turns out to be too big of a problem, try to think what Pokemon could be an appropriate counter. If you can't think of one, I'm sure the forums will. That's all there is to it really, good luck.

Thank you! I decided to try and start with a rain team and learn the aspects of it first! =)

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1) Guys, seriously, where should I start my competitive adventure? Where did you start?
2) How did you learn to build those pretty move-sets and teams I envy when I watch the tournaments?
3) I'd be so grateful for every tip, resource or anything you'll help me out with.

 

1) You start by playing with the stuff that you like, then keep building from there on. There's always going to be something that you love running from time to time, so perhaps build around that one specific mon.

2) Just look at all the possible movesets a mon can learn, and see if there are some unused moves / spreads and if there's any utility to it. Majority of the time it will be trial and error, but eventually something meta-changing will come through.

3) It's time to brag about myself, so just watch my games. Look up the tours I've won: 

 

It's going to be a pain to have to sift through all those tournaments in the replay archive of the game, and also watch them without being able to skip a turn, but if you're really motivated to become better then you need to watch the better players perform (there are other good players to watch, but this is my post to show off). Even though some of the older tournaments may not be a fit for the current meta, you will learn a lot from watching the way I play because it's still applicable in this meta. This also makes it easier for me to help you with regards to your playstyle since you can pinpoint to a specific turn to ask me why I chose one move over the other in a particular scenario.

 

Good luck!

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10 hours ago, FNTCZ said:

Don't feel too stressed about it, my number one advice is to keep a possitive attitude and enjoy it! you're doing it the right way by reading and asking about the meta and stuff.

 

As for the rain team, do you want it to be bulkier or more offensive?

 

15 hours ago, OrangeManiac said:

Hey, that's one of my favorite teams to use currently so you can ask me about all the quirks about it.

 

I love watching through the tournament finals and semi finals usually and taking notes of the comps when I have time and I'm thinking of using something similar to a comp Zhikodark used in a tournament. Which was:

Pelipper - Defensive Rain Setter

Tentacruel - Special Defense
Reuniclus -  Defense wall for direct attacks
Mantine - Physical defensive defogger +Haze +Roost

Kabutops - Physical attack rain sweeper

Swampert

All with leftovers, kabutops with life orb and running the scald move as much as I can on most of the mons.

I don't know if I Interpreted the roles correctly but It was looking like this. So It looks bulkier rather than offensive as I know. Could you guys give an example for a more offensive team so I can learn from it?


By the way thanks a lot! I wasn't expecting this many replies on my thread. I'm so happy to be a part of this community. ^^
 

 

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I wouldnt use deffensive peli + mantine because they have the same typing and makes you extremelly vulnerable to electric after swampert's been worn out. consider ferrothorn or scizot instead. and ye, thats effectivelly a bulky rain team.

 

Offense rain archetype is  something like this: specs/scarf pelipper, same kabutops(maybe even sd), wallbreaker: rain dragonite/azu, secondary sweeper(gyarados/ludicolo/kingdra), ferro(rocks, gyro, whip, leech)/sciz/swamp and a secondary rain setter(ludi/kingdra/jolt).

 

 

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4 hours ago, Grumpy said:

Pelipper - Defensive Rain Setter

Tentacruel - Special Defense
Reuniclus -  Defense wall for direct attacks
Mantine - Physical defensive defogger +Haze +Roost

Kabutops - Physical attack rain sweeper

Swampert

Jolteon could be nice here, mixed dragonite aswell, thorn, scizor, not a huge fan of swampert/mantine/tentacruel in rain teams.

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There is no fast/easy way to learn unfortunately.  just takes time. just staring at a type chart is probably the most boring thing you can do, but uhhh i got nothin better so you do you.

 

as far as learning resources go tho, youre much better off looking outside mmo for the basics. for like, building and meta analysis its gotta come from this community because were so..... unique :^) , but the basics are the basics, regardless of what generation/meta/tier, and best learned elsewhere imo.  the way i see it theres 2 ways to learn; play and watch other people play.  go grab a sandwich and pull up the latest tour.  Link spam incoming. no offense if any of this is "below" you. just droppin shit i think is/should be helpful not knowing where you stand information wise.


 

Spoiler

 

https://forums.pokemmo.eu/index.php?/topic/63603-pokemmo-official-tier-lists-and-usage-statistics/ mmo usage 

 

https://pokemonshowdown.com/damagecalc/  calc. self explanatory.

 

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/  showdown. youre gunna mainly use this for the teambuilder.

 

https://www.smogon.com/dex/bw/pokemon/ smogon dex.  good for learning what mons do, viable sets, etc.  just know that were are lacking a lot of abilities and mons themselves. 

 

https://www.smogon.com/bw/articles/ouspeed_tiers speed tiers.  just keep in mind that we play at lvl 50 instead of lvl 100, so the numbers wont be the same, but position on the list will be.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suMmlwZ4IoY&list=PLK9e0F7CUuATgo6BV0PWf1Nd5KhnaW-rl&index=1  legit no idea who this is but videos seem legit

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taArb7AawLA&list=PLZrAJnAVAiNJdp1s3txMe1gzqxcFw_rnR&index=1  PDCs guide series. respected player. not geared towards any metagame. just ignore the ones about team preview  :            ^      )

 

https://www.youtube.com/user/MrJamvad/videos  jam.  uhhhh nothing really special here.

 

https://www.amazon.com/How-Master-Competitive-Pokemon-Mrjamvad-ebook/dp/B07CZWHZT7  jams "book". bought it to support my man, still havent read it :v. but only 10 bucks. cant hurt.

 

https://www.youtube.com/user/pokeaimMD

https://www.youtube.com/user/Thunderblunder777 the faces of smogon on youtube

 

 

blunder/jam/joey have nothing to do with mmo, but 3 goat players.  watching and understand the thought processes will help a lot.  also entertainment is always good.

 

i know this is a lot of information to take it, which is what you didnt want. but pace yourself.  everything will come with time.

 

 


 

TLDR watch others and learn from what they do.   hope i helped a little. if not, oof get rekt me.

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1 hour ago, DeadGorilla said:

There is no fast/easy way to learn unfortunately.  just takes time. just staring at a type chart is probably the most boring thing you can do, but uhhh i got nothin better so you do you.

 

as far as learning resources go tho, youre much better off looking outside mmo for the basics. for like, building and meta analysis its gotta come from this community because were so..... unique :^) , but the basics are the basics, regardless of what generation/meta/tier, and best learned elsewhere imo.  the way i see it theres 2 ways to learn; play and watch other people play.  go grab a sandwich and pull up the latest tour.  Link spam incoming. no offense if any of this is "below" you. just droppin shit i think is/should be helpful not knowing where you stand information wise.


 

  Reveal hidden contents

 

https://forums.pokemmo.eu/index.php?/topic/63603-pokemmo-official-tier-lists-and-usage-statistics/ mmo usage 

 

https://pokemonshowdown.com/damagecalc/  calc. self explanatory.

 

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/  showdown. youre gunna mainly use this for the teambuilder.

 

https://www.smogon.com/dex/bw/pokemon/ smogon dex.  good for learning what mons do, viable sets, etc.  just know that were are lacking a lot of abilities and mons themselves. 

 

https://www.smogon.com/bw/articles/ouspeed_tiers speed tiers.  just keep in mind that we play at lvl 50 instead of lvl 100, so the numbers wont be the same, but position on the list will be.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suMmlwZ4IoY&list=PLK9e0F7CUuATgo6BV0PWf1Nd5KhnaW-rl&index=1  legit no idea who this is but videos seem legit

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taArb7AawLA&list=PLZrAJnAVAiNJdp1s3txMe1gzqxcFw_rnR&index=1  PDCs guide series. respected player. not geared towards any metagame. just ignore the ones about team preview  :            ^      )

 

https://www.youtube.com/user/MrJamvad/videos  jam.  uhhhh nothing really special here.

 

https://www.amazon.com/How-Master-Competitive-Pokemon-Mrjamvad-ebook/dp/B07CZWHZT7  jams "book". bought it to support my man, still havent read it :v. but only 10 bucks. cant hurt.

 

https://www.youtube.com/user/pokeaimMD

https://www.youtube.com/user/Thunderblunder777 the faces of smogon on youtube

 

 

blunder/jam/joey have nothing to do with mmo, but 3 goat players.  watching and understand the thought processes will help a lot.  also entertainment is always good.

 

i know this is a lot of information to take it, which is what you didnt want. but pace yourself.  everything will come with time.

 

 

 

 

 

 

TLDR watch others and learn from what they do.   hope i helped a little. if not, oof get rekt me.


I don't even know for myself where I stand information wise anymore hahah one day I'm watching prediction flows of great players and other days I'm staring at the types chart. This was exactly what I wanted. Thank you very much. You gave me so many great material to work on. :)

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20 hours ago, Grumpy said:


I don't even know for myself where I stand information wise anymore hahah one day I'm watching prediction flows of great players and other days I'm staring at the types chart. This was exactly what I wanted. Thank you very much. You gave me so many great material to work on. :)

no problem man.  @ me with any questions :)

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On 7/19/2018 at 4:27 PM, DeadGorilla said:

There is no fast/easy way to learn unfortunately.  just takes time. just staring at a type chart is probably the most boring thing you can do, but uhhh i got nothin better so you do you.

 

as far as learning resources go tho, youre much better off looking outside mmo for the basics. for like, building and meta analysis its gotta come from this community because were so..... unique :^) , but the basics are the basics, regardless of what generation/meta/tier, and best learned elsewhere imo.  the way i see it theres 2 ways to learn; play and watch other people play.  go grab a sandwich and pull up the latest tour.  Link spam incoming. no offense if any of this is "below" you. just droppin shit i think is/should be helpful not knowing where you stand information wise.


 

  Reveal hidden contents

 

https://forums.pokemmo.eu/index.php?/topic/63603-pokemmo-official-tier-lists-and-usage-statistics/ mmo usage 

 

https://pokemonshowdown.com/damagecalc/  calc. self explanatory.

 

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/  showdown. youre gunna mainly use this for the teambuilder.

 

https://www.smogon.com/dex/bw/pokemon/ smogon dex.  good for learning what mons do, viable sets, etc.  just know that were are lacking a lot of abilities and mons themselves. 

 

https://www.smogon.com/bw/articles/ouspeed_tiers speed tiers.  just keep in mind that we play at lvl 50 instead of lvl 100, so the numbers wont be the same, but position on the list will be.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suMmlwZ4IoY&list=PLK9e0F7CUuATgo6BV0PWf1Nd5KhnaW-rl&index=1  legit no idea who this is but videos seem legit

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taArb7AawLA&list=PLZrAJnAVAiNJdp1s3txMe1gzqxcFw_rnR&index=1  PDCs guide series. respected player. not geared towards any metagame. just ignore the ones about team preview  :            ^      )

 

https://www.youtube.com/user/MrJamvad/videos  jam.  uhhhh nothing really special here.

 

https://www.amazon.com/How-Master-Competitive-Pokemon-Mrjamvad-ebook/dp/B07CZWHZT7  jams "book". bought it to support my man, still havent read it :v. but only 10 bucks. cant hurt.

 

https://www.youtube.com/user/pokeaimMD

https://www.youtube.com/user/Thunderblunder777 the faces of smogon on youtube

 

 

blunder/jam/joey have nothing to do with mmo, but 3 goat players.  watching and understand the thought processes will help a lot.  also entertainment is always good.

 

i know this is a lot of information to take it, which is what you didnt want. but pace yourself.  everything will come with time.

 

 

 

 

 

 

TLDR watch others and learn from what they do.   hope i helped a little. if not, oof get rekt me.

don't listen to this guy all he does is afk

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