Toast Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 but eviolite chansey is a thing Link to comment
Impulse5095 Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 Can this thread be revived? With Conkeldurr being in discussing I would like to know the outcome of what happened with hydregion not getting Draco meteor? Was it a complex ban and made not learnable or what happened? Link to comment
gbwead Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 9 minutes ago, RysPicz said: That's true, but this isn't the point of Fred's post (I guess I know him for long enough to learn to read between the lines around his posts). The point is that Fred (and me) doesn't think that this move should be taken away from Hydrei as it won't be gamebreaking. I think it's high time we give Hydrei the chance to actually shine, it has currently around 21% usage which is fair, and I do not think Draco Meteor will push it over the limit. It already has a nasty 4mss and will be constantly walled by some certain pokes. If you think we should move to "Hydreigon & Draco Meteor" thread, we can do that If Hydreigon gains access to Draco Meteor, it might end up being banworthy (i personally think it would be). I don't mind if it ends up banned, but that's not necessarily what everyone wants and that's also not a risk some would want to take. TC only evaluates what's the risk, we are not the ones that decide if Hydreigon gets Draco Meteor or not. pachima 1 Link to comment
Aerun Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, gbwead said: If Hydreigon gains access to Draco Meteor, it might end up being banworthy (i personally think it would be). I don't mind if it ends up banned, but that's not necessarily what everyone wants and that's also not a risk some would want to take. TC only evaluates what's the risk, we are not the ones that decide if Hydreigon gets Draco Meteor or not. I remember calculating and trying to find checks/counters for draco meteor hydreigon, and specs will 2HKO pretty much everything except spdef milotic and blobs. So yeah you'd have to run one of these 3 pokes if you don't wanna get fucked by specs draco meteor hydreigon. Probably not broken, but unhealthy for sure and very centralizing imo. Edited October 30, 2018 by Aerun suigin and pachima 2 Link to comment
DarylDixon Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 33 minutes ago, Aerun said: I remember calculating and trying to find checks/counters for draco meteor hydreigon, and specs will 2HKO pretty much everything except spdef milotic and blobs. So yeah you'd have to run one of these 3 pokes if you don't wanna get fucked by specs draco meteor hydreigon. Probably not broken, but unhealthy for sure and very centralizing imo. unless add fairy type and ez Link to comment
Impulse5095 Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 Only way we will know is if we test it. It will be a monster at first but probably be able to be played around like the other most recent threats we have had. Link to comment
Evlgoon Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 The draco meteor ban is necessary to keep hydreigon in ou, if it had access you eliminate the offensive pokemon that can switch into it. We dont have steel legendary mons in our meta game which is what i assume kept it in check in gen 5 ou. Right now if you want to play offensively you have the option to switch in tyranitar/scizor and both of these just get annihilated by a specs draco. We are probably at that point forced to only have blissey/chansey as counter-play to it and then it always has the option of running a fighting move to deal with these. If Hydreigon learns draco it would be banned for offensive uber within 1 month. Just because it had access in other meta games doesn't mean it should in ours. I was also under the assumption that devs thought draco would be to strong in pvm which is probably what gbwead is referring to when he says its not entirely up to the tc. suigin and gbwead 2 Link to comment
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