Competitive Integrity Changes

[DaftCoolio]

2 minutes ago, ThePrettyPetard said:

2. in the event that this isn't an april fool, i would like to say thank you for not forgetting to fuck over non comp player with this shit of adding more rng into breeding (obviously meaning a raise in cost* or just making it anoying). so what will you do to fuck over shiny hunters has well? they are clearly left behind without the pleasure of being directly fucked over

 

*wasn't the last update here to reduce the cost of genderless breeding to make it more afordable for newer player? (guess it was lowered to much gotta raise it for everything now)

by adding more of an rng factor into breeding and making it more difficult it will raise the value of ditto's, which has recently taken a bit of a hit. A few people complained about this and we saw this as the best way to put some value back into the ditto market. 

 

in terms of shiny changes that is out of the tier councils control and we have no say on the matter

[fredrichnietze]

cant tell if legit of can't believe they did this?

[Zymogen]

6 minutes ago, DaftCoolio said:

by adding more of an rng factor into breeding and making it more difficult it will raise the value of ditto's, which has recently taken a bit of a hit. A few people complained about this and we saw this as the best way to put some value back into the ditto market. 

 

in terms of shiny changes that is out of the tier councils control and we have no say on the matter

so in the instance that this isn't a jouk, i feel that a detailed explanation of the breeding changes and your hypothesised impact of each change on the target market it is needed

[DaftCoolio]

3 minutes ago, Zymogen said:

so in the instance that this isn't a jouk, i feel that a detailed explanation of the breeding changes and your hypothesised impact of each change on the target market it is needed

In terms of specifics those decisions are being made by the dev team, we simply advised on options with the ultimate goal of improving the value of dittos while still haven't the desired impact on breeding difficulty.

[Zymogen]

1 minute ago, DaftCoolio said:

In terms of specifics those decisions are being made by the dev team, we simply advised on options with the ultimate goal of improving the value of dittos while still haven't the desired impact on breeding difficulty.

what were the options?

[ThePrettyPetard]

4 minutes ago, DaftCoolio said:

by adding more of an rng factor into breeding and making it more difficult it will raise the value of ditto's, which has recently taken a bit of a hit. A few people complained about this and we saw this as the best way to put some value back into the ditto market. 

 

in terms of shiny changes that is out of the tier councils control and we have no say on the matter

so now your telling me the tier council is managing the economy? but not the shiny chance? i mean one of those 2 is allready out of what you are here for so why not just say fuck it and let you fuck with the other has well?

 

from what your argument looks like to me you just want to destroy the change to make genderless cheaper and more affordable for newer player by making everything else more expensive and less affordable for everyone. seems like a great idea make 5 pokemon much cheaper to make but makes 200 more expensive (just saying random number but i think you get what i mean) trust me it will obviously make the game better for everyone*. the tier concil should honestly go back to making tier related stuff and stay the away from the economy has it far from their strong point.

 

but just saying for the new comp way i don't mind it to much but i don't feel like it should take over the curent thing but rather be another gamemode.

 

 

 

* got to say in case of poops this was sarcasm

[Senile]

3 minutes ago, Zymogen said:

what were the options?

That's not really something we're able to or willing to openly discuss, nor is it relevant to the main point of this thread.

[Zymogen]

Just now, Senile said:

That's not really something we're able to or willing to openly discuss, nor is it relevant to the main point of this thread.

Then why ask us to discuss something that isn't relevant/isn't open to the public? 

[Senile]

Just now, Zymogen said:

Then why ask us to discuss something that isn't relevant/isn't open to the public? 

The discussion is regarding the removal/adjustment of RNG effects in competitive play, primarily. The specifics of the additional RNG in breeding is something not open to public discussion, but was included in the OP to be announced to people. If that was unclear, then my b.

[DaftCoolio]

3 minutes ago, Zymogen said:

what were the options?

This is information for the dev team to divulge when they deem appropriate due to the ramifications it would have on the market before they update is released.

 

3 minutes ago, ThePrettyPetard said:

so now your telling me the tier council is managing the economy? but not the shiny chance? i mean one of those 2 is allready out of what you are here for so why not just say fuck it and let you fuck with the other has well?

 

from what your argument looks like to me you just want to destroy the change to make genderless cheaper and more affordable for newer player by making everything else more expensive and less affordable for everyone. seems like a great idea make 5 pokemon much cheaper to make but makes 200 more expensive (just saying random number but i think you get what i mean) trust me it will obviously make the game better for everyone*. the tier concil should honestly go back to making tier related stuff and stay the away from the economy has it far from their strong point.

 

but just saying for the new comp way i don't mind it to much but i don't feel like it should take over the curent thing but rather be another gamemode.

 

 

 

* got to say in case of poops this was sarcasm

  breeding is a crucial part of competitive and PVE play which is our job to manage where shinys are not. We aim to make breeding more challenging and in so more expensive to restore some value in the recently depreciated genderless market.

[Zymogen]

 

14 minutes ago, Senile said:

The discussion is regarding the removal/adjustment of RNG effects in competitive play, primarily. The specifics of the additional RNG in breeding is something not open to public discussion, but was included in the OP to be announced to people. If that was unclear, then my b.

 

13 minutes ago, DaftCoolio said:

This is information for the dev team to divulge when they deem appropriate due to the ramifications it would have on the market before they update is released.

Spoiler

 

Very convincing fellas

Alright so with regards to the main discussion - why, after months of trying to "bring MMO more in line with the official games" (i.e. fucking innumerable people over with the whole genderless breeding and IV-independent hidden power thing), would the devs do the most ridiculous 180 and completely skew any kind of similarity between the two platforms through this sudden omission of one of the fundamental aspects of Pokemon?

Edited April 1, 2018 by Zymogen

[notmudkip0]

2 hours ago, Kyu said:

next update after we've finished up skills/abilities.

By far the biggest joke in this thread

[DaftCoolio]

Just now, Zymogen said:

Alright so with regards to the main discussion - why, after months of trying to "bring MMO more in line with the official games" (i.e. fucking innumerable people over with the whole genderless breeding and IV-independent hidden power thing), would they do the most ridiculous 180 and completely skew any kind of similarity between the two platforms through this sudden omission of one of the fundamental aspects of Pokemon?

Well the recent breeding changes that made genderless breeding significantly easier was meet with a lot of criticism through out the community and so where the devs have failed in the past by ignoring the community the Tier Council chose to listen and advise on implementation to rectify this problem. 

 

The aim of this game has never been to match the traditional cartridge games and we are not limited purely to streamline those games here in MMO. 

[ThePrettyPetard]

17 minutes ago, DaftCoolio said:

  breeding is a crucial part of competitive and PVE play which is our job to manage

correct me if i am wrong but but i don't think your job is to manage PvE at all since you name obviously says tier council (clearly referencing to the tier ONLY used in PvP) and not pokemon fight council wich could imply that your managing all things related to pokemon fight

 

17 minutes ago, DaftCoolio said:

We aim to make breeding more challenging and in so more expensive to restore some value in the recently depreciated genderless market.

basically ruining what the genderless breeding update did to make everything more friendly to new player but now insted hiting much more people.

 

 

i guess if this shit doesn't get officially called a shitty can't believe they did this i'll go make a trip to the suggestion box again (i will most likely do it anyway)

 

 edit: wait a minute they added a filter to remove the text about the event of the day....

Edited April 1, 2018 by ThePrettyPetard

[DaftCoolio]

1 minute ago, ThePrettyPetard said:

correct me if i am wrong but but i don't think your job is to manage PvE at all since you name obviously says tier council (clearly referencing to the tier ONLY used in PvP) and not pokemon fight council wich could imply that your managing all things related to pokemon fight

you are wrong

[Kyu]

2 minutes ago, ThePrettyPetard said:

correct me if i am wrong but but i don't think your job is to manage PvE at all since you name obviously says tier council (clearly referencing to the tier ONLY used in PvP) and not pokemon fight council wich could imply that your managing all things related to pokemon fight

That's a good point. Thanks for bringing it up. As the TC's roles have evolved, they're now the PC.

 

4 minutes ago, ThePrettyPetard said:

i guess if this shit doesn't get officially called a shitty can't believe they did this i'll go make a trip to the suggestion box again (i will most likely do it anyway)

We'll have some exciting news as to how more players can join the Player Council in the near future. If you'd like, you can apply for a position and suggest changes directly rather than through the SB.

[Gilan]

7 minutes ago, notmudkip0 said:

By far the biggest joke in this thread

I remember 1 year ago when I thought the “Unova” release was just gonna be a map that literally spelled out Unova. Boy was I wrong then.

 

I’m being dead serious right now, the TC (I guess PC now) isn’t joking around. This is actually a planned update. Rip PokeMMO

[Zymogen]

8 minutes ago, DaftCoolio said:

The aim of this game has never been to match the traditional cartridge games and we are not limited purely to streamline those games here in MMO. 

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I'm still not convinced but hey, if something as completely ridiculous as this is actually legit, it honestly wouldn't even surprise me anymore ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[DaftCoolio]

5 minutes ago, Zymogen said:

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I'm still not convinced but hey, if something as completely ridiculous as this is actually legit, it honestly wouldn't even surprise me anymore ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Some changes will be canon but like I said we are not limited to just following what has been done before.

Edited April 1, 2018 by DaftCoolio

[Toast]

now maybe coolio can finally be good at comp lol

[DaftCoolio]

2 minutes ago, Toast said:

now maybe coolio can finally be good at comp lol

Where better players, like myself, have unfortunately lost in the past to worse players who have gotten lucky with RNG this update hopes to fix. Myself and other good players will no longer be shackled by the oppression of RNG, this update is our lighthouse in the bay of despair. 

[Ultrajesus]

4 hours ago, Kyu said:

These are actually all pretty minor changes and are trivial to implement. We're hoping to include them in the next update after we've finished up skills/abilities.

[Maelstrom]

I hope this is just a bad joke.

[OrangeManiac]

Just because a TC member lost one game because of freeze now you're removing all hax from the game? It's easy to counterplay freeze like wtf guys learn to play. Such biased individuals, I quit the game, you took away my only win condition in PvP.

[gatocacheton]

i Think, we all understand that a MMO, is a complete diferent kind of game of what the pokemon games are, and it need to keep a close check on the economy and the endgame, because, after all, is the endgame what makes MMO stand, now, for this we need to understand that so far the pokemmo endgame is two things, hunt pokemon and make tons of money selling and trading, or breed for competitive play. thats it, there is no more, so far.

 

This update that is put here for discuss, of course that does have some valid points, i am sure we have all be affect by the RNG and that lucky crit that just destroy us in the last minute, or we have be the ones praying for one in the last turn we have. and believe me i do understand that is annoying and can make you want to stop playing all together.

 

But it is really something you want to change and mess with? one of the thing that put flavor to the competitive enviroment, is the luck, because you could have the best strategy, but you know, it is always there, why the original games havent done anything about it? it is very simple, because it must be there, and how is this ? because when you play, you know that icebeam could freeze you, you know that breelom lead have spores, its something that form part of some strategys, okay maybe not all of it, but its imply in the game, it makes it have that sweetbitter feeling when you get lucky or when you are not.

 

To remove this will mess with the whole competitive enviroment, you think it will be for the better, but i doubt it, maybe will be good for a few months, maybe will make the new players happy, but it wont make better players, it will make lazy and careless players, the real hardcore pvp, will get bored and move on to another pokemon game or to the oficial games that are putting more emphasis on the pvp now. 

 

This need a open discussion of all comunity not just a few that read the forums, this should be bring in the live game by the Mods and discuss, see what the REAL player base think, not just the forums people.

 

in a side note, and this is just my personal opinion, looks like some of the council member are young and lack exprience playing MMO, i have play MMO since WoW started 12 years a go, and i have see many others raise and fall, and i can assure you, some of the council members are preaty lost and lack experience for the way they express in this post, and one last thing DAFTCOOLIO , Sr, i am sure you are a excelent player, hell maybe the best in this game, but that doesnt give you any right to call bad player anyone else, instead of looking for a way to separate yourself from other players, you should use your great knowledge for teach and make the bad players better, also a great player not the best like you may be, have to accept the luck the game presents , because it part of it, a great player, will accept its defead with grace and just say , oh well luck wasnt with me this time, may be with me the next game, but you just show your youth with that comment, and your poor attitude with the WORSE players, and if we look at that last coment of you carefully, you preaty much are saying you vote for the change because you are salty about your luck, so you are not giving a vote for a change based on what is better for the game, thinking about it slowly, but rather about what your personal feeling are about the topic, is this is how the council decide things in the game, base on they personal feeling and objectives, then... the game will die sooner of what is spected.

 

Sorry for the long post, as a player that have be part of pokemon games, smogon and many other websites about pokemon, i have the need to express my opinion, good day to all, and see ya in the game!

 

PS: forget my horrible english, i am trying my best!

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