New Pokemon/Abilities/Moves is Fake Content

[Xatu]

This game uses its ""open alpha"" moniker to its advantage.  The idea is this:  Keep the game open alpha and never fully complete it.  This became very apparent that when they devs reached like 95% completion of gen 3 (minus legends and some other features) they rushed to add gen 5 and a myriad of new mons, items, etc to the formula.  This makes it practically impossible for them to truly ""complete"" the game.  With interest already being stated that gen 6/7 will follow when the technology allows.

 

Now to the topic of this thread:  This is fake content.

 

It doesnt matter how many new mons you add.  This ONLY affects PvP and not even in a way thats noticeable or healthy to the overall progress of the game.  Just because i can breed a new mon and use it in battle, adds absolutely nothing to gameplay.  Its the same rehashed thing over and over, and if the mon was simply unavailable then another mon of similar stats and typing can take its place.  Before the update the meta was still progressing and with chansey receiving a ban after years.  With other tiers recieving many bans as well, we can assume this could open room for a fourth tier, RU.  However in the new meta this is simply impossible because of the abundance of mons and lack of interest in tiers outside of OU anyway (anymore).  Pretty much at the end of the day im still just doing PvP over and over again, the new mons are barely even relevant because im still just battling with them departing not even the slightest bit from what im used to.

 

This philosophy of only adding mons as the sole content patches is ultimately what makes this game bland, boring, and gives players the sense that devs do not care about them.  The devs have clearly just chosen a route to where they can produce ""content"" at a steady rate, with minimal effort, while forgetting to implement any sort of ""true"" mmo features.

 

We can easily assume this new ""content"" will take a year or more to complete with the HAs being hidden behind arbitrary restrictions and the legends behind similar restrictions, both to increse ""the grind"" apparently.  Even after weve hunted all these mons it changes nothing.  Its still just PvP and all ""the grind"" to get these ""new"" mons is completely pointless and literally designed to waste our time, and not even in a fun way.

 

There are many MANY solutions to solving these issues, it just involves adding actually ""new"" and ""fun"" content.  New ways to play.  I have suggested many new gameplay features that would do nothing but benefit this game only to be ultimately ignored by the devs.  Some examples include; Open Wildnerness PvP,  PvP staking, Open World elements, Owning real estate in cities, Player Classes/levels, etc.  

 

Here the true solution:  Hire new Devs.  As many as you can afford/acquire via volunteers.  This will help you release content patches faster while having multiple sources of input instead of having just 1/2 (ultimately biased) opinions running the show.

 

Listen to the community:  If the entire community hates the update you did, you should assume you fucked up, and do things to fix it/find a middle ground.

 

Fire toxic Staff, in any form:  If one of the devs is exerting a bias over the others, they gotta go.  There is no room for dictators here and we should strive to have all the devs being treated equally instead of one ""boss"" bossing around others.  Everyone should pitch in equally.  And this also goes for the TC and forum toxicity, if you see a member with any sort of connection to the staff, treating others poorly, bullying and harassing other players for their opinions (lets not forget thats the point of forums) they should be dealt with swiftly and like any other player.  Having a toxic person represent your staff will do nothing but put a bad taste in the mouth of players, giving them yet another reason to want nothing to do with your game.

 

With the game ultimately only being able to survive for so long, now its the turning point.  You either continue on this path of fake content and self destruction or you can add actually fun gameplay features, making headlines across the world and ultimately leading to a level of the player base like we saw in 2012.  The choice is yours.

Edited March 5, 2018 by Xatu

[Malorne]

[notmudkip0]

You are fake news.

[suigin]

it's a xatu thread

[Eggplant]

Univa update had me come back and play another 100 hours and spend an extra $25.

Im pretty happy with the content.

 

Also if you think "more pokemon" is the only thing that changed, maybe you should read more patch notes and Dev blogs.

What about things like non-grid maps? 3D battles?

And naturally, a bit older, but automated tournaments and GTL?

christmas and Halloween events?

I don't know if you played this game in 2012 like me but. It's gotten pretty damn good.

[Takens]

@KaynineXL its ok you can now close this thread.

[Malorne]

4 minutes ago, Takens said:

@KaynineXL its ok you can now close this thread.

Let him finish, this is amusing.

[Xatu]

4 minutes ago, Eggplant said:

Also if you think "more pokemon" is the only thing that changed, maybe you should read more patch notes and Dev blogs.

What about things like non-grid maps? 3D battles?

Purely visual non-gameplay related change

4 minutes ago, Eggplant said:

And naturally, a bit older, but automated tournaments and GTL?

Both are great.  And of course some of what they did is in the correct drection, hpwever most of the updates on involve what was mentioned in the OP and ultimately change nothing.  Automated tournaments are great and all, but that not to say we were lacking in being able to duel before that point LOL.

4 minutes ago, Eggplant said:

christmas and Halloween events?

Rehashed and very very shallow unfun events, hardly even mentionable, more mentionable is the devs decision to skip halloween last year pissing off all those who enjoyed the 2 previous years.

4 minutes ago, Eggplant said:

I don't know if you played this game in 2012 like me but. It's gotten pretty damn good.

I joined the forums like 9/16/2012.  Lets not lets this be an ego battle of ""hurr im older !!1!"" thats completely irrelevant and you never once see me using my seniority in this manner.

[Malorne]

Just now, Xatu said:

never once see me using my seniority in this manner.

Thank god for that, dont think the forums can handle a senior jester.

[Gunthug]

Lol I actually made it all the way to where you said before the update it looked like RU might be a thing, but now there's such an abundance of Pokemon that your dreams were dashed. Top quality stuff as usual

[Malorne]

is it time yet?

[Xatu]

1 minute ago, Gunthug said:

Lol I actually made it all the way to where you said before the update it looked like RU might be a thing, but now there's such an abundance of Pokemon that your dreams were dashed. Top quality stuff as usual

The truth hurts.  But its ok right? Just unban everything no matter what and see volcarona and ferrothorn on every team.  Sounds "fun" to me

[Munya]

RU was never going to be a thing.

[Gunthug]

3 minutes ago, Xatu said:

The truth hurts.  But its ok right? Just unban everything no matter what and see volcarona and ferrothorn on every team.  Sounds "fun" to me

Sorry, let me explain why we're laughing at you.

 

I was on tc pre update, and RU was not being discussed. So strike 1.

 

Getting more Pokemon means RU is more likely, not less likely, to be introduced. This is what's often known as "common sense." Strike 2.

 

I didn't read your next 9 paragraphs of nonsense but something tells me you struck out pretty soon thereafter 

[Xatu]

Just now, Munya said:

RU was never going to be a thing.

Sure and i get the philosophy behind not over-saturating the tiers but surely you cant predict the future right?  RU could have been a thing if more bans took place in the gen 3 meta and if the interest was there.

 

As of right now i cant even queue for an OU match sometimes for hours at a time....  So pretty much theres only 1 tier now.....

[suigin]

8 minutes ago, Gunthug said:

Sorry, let me explain why we're laughing at you.

 

I was on tc pre update, and RU was not being discussed. So strike 1.

 

Getting more Pokemon means RU is more likely, not less likely, to be introduced. This is what's often known as "common sense." Strike 2.

 

I didn't read your next 9 paragraphs of nonsense but something tells me you struck out pretty soon thereafter 

He wrote a paragraph about staff/tc bullying him and needing to be fired and wanted an complete overhaul of the dev team because they don't do this as a full time job and don't push updates fast enough for his time consuming suggestions to even be considered.

Edited March 5, 2018 by suigin

[Xatu]

1 minute ago, Gunthug said:

Sorry, let me explain why we're laughing at you.

 

I was on tc pre update, and RU was not being discussed. So strike 1.

Yeah probably because your toxicity leads others to not even want to try to share there opinions with you.

1 minute ago, Gunthug said:

Getting more Pokemon means RU is more likely, not less likely, to be introduced. This is what's often known as "common sense." Strike 2.

No, it doesnt.  RUs existence depended entirely on the players vested interest in other tiers than OU.  As it is now, post-update, UU NU and LC are not even played AT ALL.  So of course they wouldnt add a fifth tier.  

 

RUs existence would be a way to add more PvP content to the limited mon-pool in gen 3 and thats the only point i was trying to make.  Now of course, with the game dying and all, this is impossible.

 

[Malorne]

1 minute ago, Xatu said:

Yeah probably because your toxicity leads others to not even want to try to share there opinions with you.

Nah... Mostly because your opinions are coming out of your arse without properly thinking them through or doing a proper research before trying to back your opinions with facts, and as a result, we laugh at you. hysterically.

[Xatu]

12 minutes ago, suigin said:

He wrote a paragraph about staff/tc bullying him and needing to be fired and wanted an complete overhaul of the dev team because they don't do this as a full time job and don't push updates fast enough of his time consuming suggestions to even be considered.

Hello mister "cant even say gl hf" i hope you are havin a good day.

 

If you read my post i said to hire volunteers as well, and those dont even cost anything.  I'm sure if the devs expressed interest in getting shit done better then people would appear with love in their hearts for the game and dev team willing to help produce new content.  

 

Lets also not forget that if all this time wasnt wasted on fake content then more time/all time could be dedicated to making actually fun, rewarding. MMO-based content. 

 

6 minutes ago, Malorne said:

Nah... Mostly because your opinions are coming out of your arse without properly thinking them through or doing a proper research before trying to back your opinions with facts, and as a result, we laugh at you. hysterically.

This post was made out of love for this game.  And to spark some actual discussion on... wait for it.... discussion boards.  I am sorry you are so opposed to actually using the boards for what they are intended for and would rather post memes and attempt to bully me but i regret to inform you that your actions have accomplished nothing.

[Bearminator]

Im not closing it cause I like discussion about game, but please, try to at least pretend to treat each other with respect.

 

[suigin]

1 minute ago, Xatu said:

Hello mister "cant even say gl hf" i hope you are havin a good day.

What

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If you read my post i said to hire volunteers as well, and those dont even cost anything.  I'm sure if the devs expressed interest in getting shit done better then people would appear with love in their hearts for the game and dev team willing to help produce new content.  

 

Lets also not forget that if all this time wasnt wasted on fake content then more time/all time could be dedicated to making actually fun, rewarding. MMO-based content. 

The code is unbelievably sacred, they can't let any random volunteer just access it, if people want to work with it they need to slowly climb steps in order to get in a trustworthy enough position to be able to fuck with it. Hell even then I think Kyu mentioned cases where some trusted dev turned maverick and went on to make their own Pokemmo if I recall correctly.

[Malorne]

Just now, Xatu said:

This post was made out of love for this game.  And to spark some actual discussion on... wait for it.... discussion boards.  I am sorry you are so opposed to actually using the boards for what they are intended for and would rather post memes and attempt to bully me but i regret to inform you that your actions have accomplished nothing.

you can worship the game for all i care. Also, discussing is one thing while you have presented a few false claims as facts (which by the way, does not give much room for discussion so suck on that irony) as well as just putting a few stuff (like toxic staff) without properly backing it up with evidence.

[gbwead]

11 minutes ago, Xatu said:

No, it doesnt.  RUs existence depended entirely on the players vested interest in other tiers than OU.  As it is now, post-update, UU NU and LC are not even played AT ALL.  So of course they wouldnt add a fifth tier.  

How do you explain the fact that prior to the update NU/UU matchmaking was dead? If NU/UU are already struggling, why add RU? I'm not saying that NU/UU is better now. I just think PokeMMO was never in a situation where NU/UU had a large enough player base to justify the addition of a new tier.

[Xatu]

1 minute ago, suigin said:

What

The code is unbelievably sacred, they can't let any random volunteer just access it, if people want to work with it they need to slowly climb steps in order to get in a trustworthy enough position to be able to fuck with it. Hell even then I think Kyu mentioned cases where some trusted dev turned maverick and went on to make their own Pokemmo if I recall correctly.

Surely they can use compartmentalized knowledge then, while only providing the volunteers what they need on a need-to-know basis.  This is how the military operates to prevent leaks etc.  You never know the whole picture, only what you are to work on at that time.

[GodofKawaii]

i'm beginning to wonder why you haven't been offered to join the dev squad? you clearly post enough rejected "needs to be in the next update" and you clearly stated they need more volunteers.