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      Rules for Ingame | Forums   04/28/2016

      Welcome to PokeMMO! This is the PokeMMO Code of Conduct, which states how we moderate the various services provided by us (Forums, In-Game, IRC). You are required to follow this Code of Conduct while using our Forums and playing the Game: 1. Rules related to "Chat" and communication with other users: a. You may not harass, threaten, embarrass or cause distress and/or unwanted attention to other persons using our Service (Players and PokeMMO's Staff). This includes posting insulting, offensive, or abusive comments about people, repeatedly sending unwanted messages, reporting players maliciously, attacking a player based on race, sexual orientation, religion, heritage, etc. b. You may not spam, flood, or repeatedly make duplicate posts. Messages composed of gibberish ("fjdklasjfld" "asdfsafdsa" "uiouoiuoiuoi") are considered spam. c. You may not impersonate any PokeMMO staff (volunteer or employed.) d. You may not solicit, advertise, or promote any services other than PokeMMO via PokeMMO's services (forums, in game, irc, etc). e. You may not upload, attempt to distribute files, or facilitate the distribution of files that contain viruses, corrupted data, or any other malicious software. f. You may not distribute or facilitate distribution of any pirated or illegal software while using PokeMMO's Services. g. You may not transmit, distribute, or facilitate distribution of any person's personal information (name, account name, telephone number, address, etc.) h. You may not transmit, post, link to, or facilitate distribution of any sexually explicit, harmful, threatening, abusive, defamatory, infringing, obscene, hateful, vulgar, racially or ethnically offensive imagery or content. i. You will follow the instructions of PokeMMO's Staff while using PokeMMO's Services.   2. Rules related to Gameplay: In addition to all rules defined by Section 1 of the Code of Conduct: a. You may not exploit errors in design, features which have not been documented, or "bugs" to gain access which is otherwise not available, or to gain an advantage over other players. b. You may not communicate any exploitable issues (defined in Section 2 Paragraph A of the Code of Conduct) either directly or through public posting, to any other users of PokeMMO. c. While participating in Player vs Player (PvP) gameplay, You may not participate in any form of match manipulation. Match manipulation is defined as any action taken to manipulate the outcome of a match, or alter or manipulate any official rankings. d. You may not use cheats, automation software (bots), macros, hacks or any third-party software which can be detrimental to other users' experience, nor will you relay or store any items for other users who are using these processes. e. You may not exploit the game or any of its parts for any commercial purpose, including without limitation: I. Gathering in-game currency, items or resources for sale outside the Game (commonly known as "Real Money Trading") II. Performing in-game services in exchange for payment outside the game. III. For use at a cyber cafe, computer gaming center or any other location-based site without the express written consent of PokeMMO.   3. Rules related to Usernames: When you choose a character name or a username or otherwise create a label which can be seen by other users when using our Services, you must abide by the following guidelines. You may not use any Username which: a. Belongs to another person with the intent to impersonate that person, including PokeMMO's Employees, Volunteers and any other user of PokeMMO's Services; b. Incorporates offensive racial, ethic, national, or cultural connotations; c. Is sexually suggestive or pornographic; d. References any form of criminal activity or drugs; e. Makes inappropriate references to the human anatomy or bodily functions; f. 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You may not use any unauthorized third-party software that intercepts or otherwise collects information from or through the Game or Service, including without limitation any software that reads areas of RAM used by the game, any program which reads and attempts to manipulate network traffic between your Game Client and the Game Server. d. You agree that You will not, under any circumstances violate any applicable law or regulation in connect with Your use of the Game or PokeMMO's Services. e. You may not disrupt or assist in the disruption of: I. Any computer used to support the Services (each "Server") II. Any other player's Game experience   5. Forum-specific policies: The rules in this section apply specifically to the forums at https://forums.pokemmo.eu/ a. You are required to use the English language when using the PokeMMO forums. Posts written in other languages are required to have an English translation appended to the post.     6. Violation Reports: If you find a player who is violating the Code of Conduct on these forums, please take the time to report it to us by using the Report button under their post, or the Report button in their profile. If you find a player in-game who you suspect is violating this code of conduct, please take the time to report it to us in the Player Reports section of this forum: https://forums.pokemmo.eu/index.php?/forum/28-player-reports/   7. Notes: Certain passages of the PokeMMO Code of Conduct have been simplified in this version. These simplifications include: The term "PokeMMO's Employees" and "PokeMMO's Volunteers" are encompassed by the term "PokeMMO's Staff"     You may find the full, legally binding version of this document at http://pokemmo.eu/code_of_conduct/ This document was last updated on June 30th, 2013.
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      Rules for Competition Alley - Read Before Posting!   05/01/2016

      The Competition Alley subforum is for Competitive Discussions. If you are looking for feedback on your Team, please visit: https://forums.pokem...ive-assistance/ If you are looking for Unofficial Tournaments hosted by our players, please visit: https://forums.pokemmo.eu/index.php?/forum/45-unofficial-tournaments/ Rules for discussing a Pokemon: Initial outline and discussion points must be mentioned in the OP. A thread should only be made when it needs to be discussed.   While this is a competitive subforum, please be respectful towards other players. All global rules still apply, and rude or flaming posts will be removed. Some useful links: PokeMMO Tier lists: Official Usage Statistic and Tier Lists List of Clauses Official Event Sub Forum   Note: Tier lists are managed by a Tier List Council, a collection of competitive players volunteering to maintain the rules for PokeMMO's competitive metagame. As PokeMMO's metagame is constantly changing with new updates, the Tier Listings will change alongside it. If you have any questions, comments, or complaints, feel free to message a Competition Alley moderator, listed at the bottom of the forum. If you wish your thread to be closed or trashed, feel free to post the request in the thread, report it, or PM one of the Competition Alley Moderators mentioned above. If you would like your thread to be re-opened after a requested closure, please message a Competition Alley Moderator.
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Tier List Update March 2018

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For the first time since the Unova update, tiers are going to be updated. Usage based changes are made based on the usage gathered from February, found in this thread:


Notably, the way we're going to do usage based movements is different now. Usage will now be done in 3 month cycles, with normal usage movements (4.36% cutoff point) at the end of a cycle, combining the usage from the prior 3 months into 1 large aggregation of usage. Notably, the older months in the cycle, 1 & 2, are weighted significantly less than the last month, having a weight of 1 and 3 respectively, with the last month having a weighting of 20.


This also means that during these cycles, pokemon will not move according to the ordinary 4.36% cutoff. Instead, there are quick drop/rise cutoff %'s that, when reached, will move pokemon even mid-cycle. The quick drop value is 1.7%, and quick rise is 6.7%.


The purpose of the 3 month cycle is to make tiers more stable, instead of constantly monthly usage. The quick change %'s serve the purpose of ensuring that this increased consistency does not also result in wildly inaccurate tiers, as bans or new additions can cause massive changes to tiers. The quick %'s should account for this, moving pokemon that suddenly spike in usage or drop significantly mid cycle.


For the month of February, we will dictate our usage movements using the quick drop and rise %'s, instead of the ordinary 4.36% cutoff.


Moving up from UU/NU to OU:


  • Milotic
  • Mantine
  • Tentacruel
  • Arcanine
  • Swampert


All of these pokemon were above the 6.7% cutoff for usage in OU.


Moving up from UU to BL:



Porygon-Z has been terrorizing UU for the past couple of months with it's absurd strength. With Adaptability, it's STAB of choice, Tri-Attack, becomes an absurd threat fired off from it's base 135 special attack. If you opted to run Download instead, you could sacrifice the consistent STAB boost for a chance at a +1 boost to all of your attacks. In either case, Porygon-Z was an incredibly difficult to handle behemoth.


Not only was it difficult to switch in with much of anything, but there were also multiple different sets to look out for, even for things that could answer it. Life Orb or Specs made any sort of defensive switchin even less viable, whereas something like Scarf or Agility could be used to outright sweep a team. Nasty Plot was also an option to guarantee a KO on basically anything that isn't outright faster than it.


Ultimately, when Porygon-Z came out, it usually resulted in a pokemon getting sacced in order to check it, since dealing with any other way was somewhere between very difficult, risky, and unreliable. Because of this, : Porygon-Z is *Porygone from UU."


Moving up from NU to UU:


  • Venusaur
  • Weezing
  • Mandibuzz
  • Gigalith


All of these pokemon were above the 6.7% cutoff for usage in UU.


Moving down from BL to UU:


  • Bisharp
  • Torkoal


Both of these pokemon were initially placed into BL for fear of them being too overwhelming to be allowed in UU. However, that was assuming that everything, abilities, items, etc. works as intended.


Unfortunately, that has not turned out to be the case, and as such, these 2 pokemon are being moved down until they end up actually receiving what would make them overwhelming.


Bisharp was placed into BL for fear that it's high attack power along with Defiant and the lack of team preview makes it too punishing of a threat against Defog, with minimal counterplay until it's revealed. As a result, it was placed into BL until Team Preview was added, at the very least. However, with the lack of a properly working Defiant, it was decided that Bisharp would not be problematic in UU, and has been moved down.


Torkoal is more controversial, however, with the lack of Heat Rock, it was ultimately determined that sun may not necessarily be too much for the UU tier to handle, and as such, is being Suspect Tested in UU. Expect a discussion thread for Torkoal in UU to be posted soon, and a decision on it's continued status in UU should be decided by next month.


Moving down from UU to NU:


  • Frosslass
  • Honchkrow
  • Whimsicott


All of these pokemon were below the 1.7% cutoff for usage in UU, and were dropped.

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Dugtrio & Wobbuffet are banned from OU to Ubers.


Dugtrio & Wobbuffet have both been banned due to their uncompetitive nature as versatile, obnoxious trapping threats. The amount of things they can successfully trap and kill is higher than it should be. Beyond that, having 2 broadly threatening trappers in the metagame at the same time, with no team preview, means it's effectively impossible to play around them at all.


In the case of Wobbuffet, it's ability to indiscriminately trap everything, barring the small amount of ghost types, meant it was unusually effective at discouraging most choiced pokemon. In particular, Choice Scarfers could be picked off with no trouble at all by Wobbuffet, barring specific threats like Hydreigon, due to being immune to Mirror Coat. Even non-choiced pokemon could get Encored, turning them into setup bait.


Ultimately, even though the TC decided to test Wobbuffet out in OU, it has still been shown to be a bit too effective in it's role as a trapper, something fundamentally uncompetitive. As a result, Wobbuffet is banned to Ubers.


In the case of Dugtrio, the buff from 80 -> 100 Base attack has given it the ability to trap and successfully kill way too many threats. While it would ordinarily still be an effective trapper, the buff makes it way less niche than it should be. As a result, whenever the next update occurs, Dugtrio's base attack will be reverted from base 100 to base 80. However, until the attack nerf is implemented, Dugtrio is banned to Ubers.

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