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30 minutes ago, gbwead said:

The Player Council has voted in favor of Sleep Clause in Doubles, it's up to devs to implement it now.

Awesome. Thanks brudda. 

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27 minutes ago, DoubleJ said:

@Munya

 

I haven't tested but is TP working appropriately for dubs?

I think we fixed it so it did yes, it caused a crash before and iirc it was working after we fixed the crash.

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3 hours ago, Munya said:

I think we fixed it so it did yes, it caused a crash before and iirc it was working after we fixed the crash.

Dope. Huge step for the competitive community. 

 

#psl11iscoming#youmaynowclosethisthread#notthisone

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A few topics on my mind:

  1. How well has the tier adapted to a new speed tier with the additions of Garchomp and Infernape?
  2. Is rain still as viable with another water-absorber like Gastrodon in play?
  3. What new pokemon not named above will make the biggest difference in the doubles meta moving forward?

@Zigh =)

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1 minute ago, DoubleJ said:

1. How well has the tier adapted to a new speed tier with the additions of Garchomp and Infernape?

2. Is rain still as viable with another water-absorber like Gastrodon in play?

3. What new pokemon not named above will make the biggest difference in the doubles meta moving forward?

1. There wasn't this much of adapation to be honest in my Eyes, Garchomp and Rotom-W were the only Pokes i have fought yet in real matches and both dont make too big of a difference (Garch makes Sand more Viable tho)

2. Yes it is, i doubt many play Gastrodon, since its speed is that low and makes a huge difference in much cases outside of Trick Room.

3. I guess Rotom Forms have the Potential to still bring a good amount if impact, maybe lopunny is a niche pick with its moves, besides that i guess toxicroak in rain with sucker punch really could pick of some stuff, but testing is still needed in my eyes.

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12 minutes ago, DoubleJ said:

A few topics on my mind:

  1. How well has the tier adapted to a new speed tier with the additions of Garchomp and Infernape?
  2. Is rain still as viable with another water-absorber like Gastrodon in play?
  3. What new pokemon not named above will make the biggest difference in the doubles meta moving forward?

@Zigh

1- Still a bit early to say anything, but garchomp is making quite the difference in dubs. Everyone is running either icy wind + hydreigon, more icebeam users or just hp ice. Haven't seen infernape yet, imo is not viable rn. Too many togekiss, blastoise, etc.

 

2- Rain still has ludicolo and ferro to deal with gastrodon, so is not a big deal. In fact rain now benefits from this, with the surf spam + gastrodon. Rotom-W or even rotom-M are a bigger deal vs rain

 

3- Rotom is gonna be the new Best mon overall. Its huge viability makes it worthy running in almost every single team. Levitate with garchomp around is awesome, its typings are perfect, and has enough moves to be either  an offensive or defensive tool.

 

Im also interested in abomasnow; while alone is not a great mon, there might be a hidden team that exploits it.

 

 

 

18 minutes ago, Leviatharian said:

1. There wasn't this much of adapation to be honest in my Eyes, Garchomp and Rotom-W were the only Pokes i have fought yet in real matches and both dont make too big of a difference (Garch makes Sand more Viable tho)

They don't what??

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1 minute ago, Zigh said:

1- Still a bit early to say anything, but garchomp is making quite the difference in dubs. Everyone is running either icy wind + hydreigon, more icebeam users or just hp ice. Haven't seen infernape yet, imo is not viable rn. Too many togekiss, blastoise, etc.

 

They don't what??

Exactly cause of ice beam/icy wind spam i meant that

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On 2/17/2020 at 6:26 PM, Zigh said:

Im also interested in abomasnow; while alone is not a great mon, there might be a hidden team that exploits it.

Randy Kwa (R Inanimate) had some decent success with this team back in vgc 2012 that exploits abomasnow pretty well. Heracross / Heatran could be swapped out for something that can deal with the core's weaknesses better in this meta

 

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/international-wifi-tournament-international-challenge-won-by-cybertron.3462081/page-48#post-4165189

 

"The team is a Hail Team in the sense that it goes for Blizzard spam. There ends up being a lot of shared weaknesses in the team, particularly Fire, Fighting, Ice, and Rock. I've found it quite entertaining to play, but also quite difficult. There were a lot of situations where I was a hair's width away from losing, but bailed myself out with a bit of luck or some good plays. I found out the hard way that the team can collapse fast when I'm not at the top of my game, losing 100 points in rating within about 4 hours."

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10 hours ago, Draconid said:

Randy Kwa (R Inanimate) had some decent success with this team back in vgc 2012 that exploits abomasnow pretty well. Heracross / Heatran could be swapped out for something that can deal with the core's weaknesses better in this meta

 

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/international-wifi-tournament-international-challenge-won-by-cybertron.3462081/page-48#post-4165189

 

"The team is a Hail Team in the sense that it goes for Blizzard spam. There ends up being a lot of shared weaknesses in the team, particularly Fire, Fighting, Ice, and Rock. I've found it quite entertaining to play, but also quite difficult. There were a lot of situations where I was a hair's width away from losing, but bailed myself out with a bit of luck or some good plays. I found out the hard way that the team can collapse fast when I'm not at the top of my game, losing 100 points in rating within about 4 hours."

VGC should not be taken in consideration when talking about PokeMMO's doubles format. Not only 4v4 instead of 6v6 is already a huge difference; VGC also holds additional mons (legendaries), hidden abilites, item clause... Plus different mechanics. Also that team is (MMO wise) bad, would lose to any common core right now. Ice type doesn't have a place in Doubles besides for checking Garchomp, and Yache Berry is there to stop it. There is no reason to run Rotom-F over Rotom-W, Heracross is useless and we dont have any substitute for Heatran.

After some testing I would say Abomasnow is pure garbage. Loses to every single weather team. Running it to change weather would be a waste of a slot. Its typing doesnt help either, it gets 0hkoed too easily.

That being said, I'll try to use it more in a few tournaments to see how people play around it.

 

 

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On 4/15/2020 at 10:48 AM, Zigh said:

VGC should not be taken in consideration when talking about PokeMMO's doubles format. Not only 4v4 instead of 6v6 is already a huge difference; VGC also holds additional mons (legendaries), hidden abilites, item clause... Plus different mechanics. Also that team is (MMO wise) bad, would lose to any common core right now. Ice type doesn't have a place in Doubles besides for checking Garchomp, and Yache Berry is there to stop it. There is no reason to run Rotom-F over Rotom-W, Heracross is useless and we dont have any substitute for Heatran.

After some testing I would say Abomasnow is pure garbage. Loses to every single weather team. Running it to change weather would be a waste of a slot. Its typing doesnt help either, it gets 0hkoed too easily.

That being said, I'll try to use it more in a few tournaments to see how people play around it.

 

 

Thank you for correcting me! This doubles format is proving to be very interesting to learn about! :)

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