sakuramyu Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 (edited) Ubers - Chansey Slowbro Tauros Exeggutor Gengar Starme Alakasim Nidoking Dodrio Jolteon Snorax Golem Jynx Weesing Arcanine Kabutops Dragonite OU - Flareon Vaporian Venusaur Charizard Blastoise Butterfree Arbok Nidoqueen Clefable Dugtrio Poliwrath Machamp Victreebel Cloyster Kangakhan Pinsar Aerodectyl Omnistar UU Persian Fearow Pigeot Sandslash Vileplume Venomoth Tentacruel Magneton Muk Hypno Marowak Rhydon Seaking Lapras Gyrados Pikachu Polygon Seadra PU - Raticate Beedrill Wigglytuff Ninetails Parascet Golduck Primeape Hitmonlee Onyx Kinglar Tangela Mr Mina Ditto Farfetch'd Hitmonchan Rapiddash Electrode Edited February 7, 2018 by sakuramyu amanisnoone and DoctorPBC 2 Link to comment
sakuramyu Posted February 7, 2018 Author Share Posted February 7, 2018 (edited) Banlist - Any Pokemon that isn't in gen 1 Mew/Mewtwo Ban Move-pools that are not gen 1 Pokemon with 6 IVs at 31. only allowed have 3 stats at 31 IV and others at 30 max Baby Cup - only allows Pokemon evolve 2-3 types only allowed to use its first/second evolution Pokemon in this tourniment style can use Evolites up 2 times instead just 1. thats if evolite is in mmo watch it isn't Edited February 7, 2018 by sakuramyu Link to comment
sakuramyu Posted February 7, 2018 Author Share Posted February 7, 2018 (edited) Idea of this thinking about suggesting tournament that is GEN 1 only 3 Pokemon in single team in each tier using the classic fire-red format. hoping that game devs would support this.would support this type tourniment play Edited February 7, 2018 by sakuramyu Link to comment
notmudkip0 Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 I honestly can't tell if you're trying to troll comp players or are just really stupid. RyoOhsora and razimove 2 Link to comment
sakuramyu Posted February 7, 2018 Author Share Posted February 7, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, notmudkip0 said: I honestly can't tell if you're trying to troll comp players or are just really stupid. you know being toxic or being totally mean. isn't very helpful to community. you call me stupid? stupid. I got tier people like you too "FU" guess what that means. Edited February 7, 2018 by sakuramyu Link to comment
FunkPk Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 1 minute ago, notmudkip0 said: I honestly can't tell if you're trying to troll comp players or are just really stupid. What are you talking about? These are solid tiers/rules. Link to comment
notmudkip0 Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 2 minutes ago, sakuramyu said: you know being toxic or being totally mean. isn't very helpful to community. you call me stupid? stupid. I got tier people like you too "FU" guess what that means. Yeah I just got my answer. 2 minutes ago, ImFunk said: What are you talking about? These are solid tiers/rules. Look at that ubers list, it's a joke. fredrichnietze 1 Link to comment
FunkPk Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 6 minutes ago, ImFunk said: What are you talking about? These are solid tiers/rules. 1 minute ago, notmudkip0 said: it's a joke Link to comment
sakuramyu Posted February 7, 2018 Author Share Posted February 7, 2018 3 minutes ago, notmudkip0 said: I honestly can't tell if you're trying to troll comp players or are just really stupid. if don't like someone opinions differ from your own. this means automatically there stupid right. poop much don't see reason why being bloody uguu who just joined community. this type toxic elitist shit needs to stop. if actually read forums rules. then you should know that being hateful any-type not giving any constructive type of criticism or staying on the bloody topic. lt's like you guys just looking for a fight. Link to comment
sakuramyu Posted February 7, 2018 Author Share Posted February 7, 2018 (edited) 14 minutes ago, notmudkip0 said: Yeah I just got my answer. Look at that ubers list, it's a joke. Ubers - Chansey Slowbro Tauros Exeggutor Gengar Starme Alakasim Nidoking Dotrio Jolteon Snorax Golem Jynx Weesing Arcanine Kabutops Dragonite Clearly know nothing about Pokemon - or know nothing bout how powerful these Pokemon can be. reason why they are in Uber teir . not in OU , judged by their powerful move-pools. how devastating these Pokemon can be. not to mention how often they are used. so if your gonna be toxic. gonna be ass do somewere else have nice cup of stfu. post somewhere else. unless you can show me proof these pokemon suck so much they dont belong in ubers. watch you can't what am I only one here actually played pokemon on gameboy here or actual fire red version on console. that actually remember how strong these mons were in competitive scene. how strong they actually trying help community what get stupid trolls like you don't give any constructive criticism. instead and gets butt-hurt and angry over someone personal opinions. veiws this is a forum. don't like what someone is posting why cause drama. Edited February 7, 2018 by sakuramyu amanisnoone 1 Link to comment
notmudkip0 Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 1 minute ago, sakuramyu said: Clearly know nothing about Pokemon - or know nothing bout powerful these Pokemon are. like to know what game your playing sure isn't pokemon. Okay now I'm just laughing. Link to comment
fredrichnietze Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 @sakuramyu read and and https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/. and http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html you are saying "hey guys lets make this a thing" but not saying why it should happen or why the tiers should be the way you say. you're just showing up as a unknown and making request for massive changes with no reasoning, then attacking everyone. no one is going to even give you the benefit of the doubt of reading and seriously considering anything you post if you post in this way. you cant just show up and strong arm the community to do what you want, you have to actually convince people and make a argument. FunkPk 1 Link to comment
sakuramyu Posted February 7, 2018 Author Share Posted February 7, 2018 I'm allowed to make suggestions. anyone who joins the mmo allowed to make posts and share there opinions. their is no rules that stat person joins this community can create post and share there opinions and ask questions. there are rules against people being trolls and uguus too people who are have here a-lot longer and should know better. If do not like the post no one forcing you to reply too it. no ones forcing any of you to be total ass. this isn't helping the community. surprised devs have not said anything how toxic you guys are being. is making fun of someone only thing you can do. calling someone stupid without giving any evidence why that statement is stupid. is stupid in itself. isn't warrented Link to comment
suigin Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 The tier council has decided to suspect test Flareon and Butterfree since they are such centralizing forces in the OU tier. Omnistar also seems to be a very powerful threat in the PU tier with its ability of being omnipotent however we'd like to hear the opinions of experienced PU players before doing any rash suspect tests. DrButler, Kamimiii, xSparkie and 4 others 7 Link to comment
sakuramyu Posted February 7, 2018 Author Share Posted February 7, 2018 (edited) 35 minutes ago, suigin said: The tier council has decided to suspect test Flareon and Butterfree since they are such centralizing forces in the OU tier. Omnistar also seems to be a very powerful threat in the PU tier with its ability of being omnipotent however we'd like to hear the opinions of experienced PU players before doing any rash suspect tests. Flareon is really good understatement its not used enough. as physical attacker learn good share of moves. most likely kill something It has good special defensive, very high physical attack. It can wall out some special attackers Hit back super effective flare blitz, superpower or just a nice hit with return, as well having annoying moves like thief giving it great uliity outside community 0play Flareon @ Assault Vest - this to mean is great OU Pokemon high special defense i seen this tank super effect hits. then dish it back, Ability: Flash Fire EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe Jolly Nature - Flare Blitz - Superpower - Return - Flame Charge Butterfree @ Focus Sash ,<--- (with this) Ability: Compound Eyes EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe Modest Nature IVs: 0 Atk - Sleep Powder - Quiver Dance ((this right here is what makes butterfree OU Sleep/Quive - Bug Buzz - Giga Drain/Shadow Ball/Dream Eater/Psychic/ Hidden Power (coverage)/Air Slash Total 395 Min Max HP 60 230 324 Attack 45 85 207 Defense 50 94 218 Sp. Atk 90 166 306 Sp. Def 80 148 284 Speed 70 130 262 The ranges shown on the right are for a level 100 Pokémon. Maximum values are based on a beneficial nature, 252 EVs, 31 IVs; minimum values are based on a hindering nature, 0 EVs, 0 IVs. this was before gen 7 but in gen butterfree got 10+ in speed and sp-att base power Type defenses The effectiveness of each type on Butterfree. NOR FIR WAT ELE GRA ICE FIG POI GRO 2 2 ¼ 2 ¼ 0 stats look pretty bad ya but not adding stat increase from quiver dance one things need be looked at is when judge a pug type is does it learn quiver dance does it have compound eyes. other good bug type abilitys good types like bug/steel having only 1 weakness. makes it very very strong .. about omnistar you are somewhat right. but have hardly ever seen it used in competitively around where i am hard make good judgement on how strong this is. but had correct teir now that i know.. ya it go into OU sorry about that i was wrong their and thank you for bring that to my attention so can fix that Edited February 7, 2018 by sakuramyu FunkPk and amanisnoone 1 1 Link to comment
Eggplant Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 Could be fun for a tournmaent idea. Maybe staff-hosted, to further reinforce the 'old school' / throwback aspect. Although gen 5 really hasnt been out that long -- not sure if it's worth pushing 'old school' to keep content for players who are still grinding, or if better to promote the rush to get new stuff. Link to comment
sakuramyu Posted February 7, 2018 Author Share Posted February 7, 2018 (edited) well most 10 minutes ago, Eggplant said: Could be fun for a tournmaent idea. Maybe staff-hosted, to further reinforce the 'old school' / throwback aspect. Although gen 5 really hasnt been out that long -- not sure if it's worth pushing 'old school' to keep content for players who are still grinding, or if better to promote the rush to get new stuff. thinking of it mostly being a mouthy thing I mean in wow that have time skipping events. don't see why we can have that here. specially when pretty sure sooner or later all gens will be added to the game. lets player enjoy or experence what it was like competitively in first and 3rd gen. watch had completely different list of teirs then current meta game. Edited February 7, 2018 by sakuramyu Link to comment
fredrichnietze Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 i have a question for you. why would anyone do this here if they want to recreate gen 3? gen 3 had the physical special split and quite a few move and ability mechanic changes from pokemmo where most moves and ability's are running gen 7. most importantly hidden power is always special and since i assume this is based off the 200 metagame, you also have much more limited movepools for pokemon. with all this + the time and effort to invest into making a team for a one a month sudo meta why not just play adv on showdown? Link to comment
sakuramyu Posted February 7, 2018 Author Share Posted February 7, 2018 (edited) 25 minutes ago, fredrichnietze said: i have a question for you. why would anyone do this here if they want to recreate gen 3? gen 3 had the physical special split and quite a few move and ability mechanic changes from pokemmo where most moves and ability's are running gen 7. most importantly hidden power is always special and since i assume this is based off the 200 metagame, you also have much more limited movepools for pokemon. with all this + the time and effort to invest into making a team for a one a month sudo meta why not just play adv on showdown? well I more of lines of "Fire Red/Leaf Green" meta.. not Pokemon yellow/blue/red... well think of it you have whole mouth to play and make a team of 3 pokemon. and finally put all hard work effect for battle with other people who share love for Pokemon. I personal just me is like level and test every Pokemon in the game. see with my own eyes what those Pokemon are capable of. try understand why these Pokemon were made the way they with my own eyes with own experience. give my view point on those said Pokemon. instead going online looking at teir list on smogon tier list. do what most people do. just look pokemon in OU pretty much call any pokemon thats OU sucks.. sorry I like personal read a book before I judge it . not read the cover call it lame. I feel people actually had on experience give them personal understanding what it was like competing in those generations. giving more insight/knowledge on those pokemon. competitive or not see nothing but good coming from mouthy events. that give insight on too players that didn't experence what some people experenced. some people like that some people and retrain Pokemon making competitive worthy. breeding and making strong for one single tournament. sure its alot effort and a-lot of time . effort thats what makes it fun and excitement. cause you worked hard enough make those Pokemon great. what type reward benefit players to do or want to this tournament. i think answer for that. ask yourself this when beat all 3 regions. what else do you have but time creating new improved end games opinions helps mmo a whole even if are move-pools are updated to gen 7 its still the experence you get a copy each pokemon you use "shiny" with same IVs and same EVs and Abilities if you win this tourniment Edited February 7, 2018 by sakuramyu Link to comment
notmudkip0 Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 2 hours ago, sakuramyu said: Banlist - Move-pools that are not gen 1 1 hour ago, sakuramyu said: Flareon @ Assault Vest - this to mean is great OU Pokemon high special defense i seen this tank super effect hits. then dish it back, Ability: Flash Fire EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe Jolly Nature - Flare Blitz - Superpower - Return - Flame Charge Butterfree @ Focus Sash ,<--- (with this) Ability: Compound Eyes EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe Modest Nature IVs: 0 Atk - Sleep Powder - Quiver Dance ((this right here is what makes butterfree OU Sleep/Quive - Bug Buzz - Giga Drain/Shadow Ball/Dream Eater/Psychic/ Hidden Power (coverage)/Air Slash Looks like you broke your own rule. Also, please learn how tiering works. RyoOhsora and FunkPk 2 Link to comment
fredrichnietze Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 ok so your entire argument can be applied to every tier in mmo, and the only draw i see to this is if you want to play adv. for various pre stated reasons showdown>pokemmo adv. and their is a problem to making more tiers. the players have to invest time and effort into making pokemon for the tiers they could invest into more main stream tiers, and this creates something called balkanization where instead of a few big metagames with lots of players you have many meta games with few players per meta. when you cant fill a bracket even halfway people stop showing up unless the prize is ridiculous. also staff currently have a rule where they can only give out 5 shinys per month on top of a shiny gift tier list (when did the TC get to vote on this @Squirtle? i thought we had to make discussion threads) so your shiny idea is for sure going to be shot down instantly. they have only given out "choose your own shinys" a few times as prizes for winning a masters league and it was only a single shiny. and on top of that if the incentive is supposed to be "because you can get a better prize" i got to ask why? why should their be a better prize? why should it be incentivized? why should this specific tier get better prizes? because you like it? Link to comment
Rache Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 To avoid confusing players looking for the real tier lists, I'll be closing this thread. If you'd like to host an unofficial tournament with custom tiers, feel free to do so in this section instead. (Please refrain from posting custom tier lists if it is not for an event.) Something to keep in mind is that what you may have used or faced in the storyline are not necessarily good in PvP. These tiers are extremely arbitrary and unrealistic - you've placed a lot of completely unusable and outclassed species like Arbok in the higher tiers and extremely good ones like Gyarados in the lower ones. I suggest watching some tournament replays via the in-game PvP (Master Ball) menu to get an idea of what people use and how well those Pokemon perform in proper competitive battles, or doing some matchmaking yourself to figure out what works and what doesn't. Kizhaz, Bestfriends, RyoOhsora and 1 other 2 2 Link to comment
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