Mike Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 5 minutes ago, LionKIng said: How is language barrier a thing? Im pretty sure everyone knows that coaching is not permitted in psl. After all its the 9th season of psl and there was precedents of this(in the french community none the less) and managers should brief their players on the rules if they know theres a language barrier happening. So no I won't take language barrier as an excuse. It's just common sens at this point... This is their first PSL as far as I am aware. It is common sense for people who have joined PSL for more than one season. I however do agree with you that they could've easily been informed by their team mates/manager so I actually am too for harsher punishment. And just remembered that browsers can auto translate stuff now so they could even read the rules in their own language, even though the grammar might not be perfect hue. But even then they should've been able to get the gist from it. Maekaaay and Oltan 1 1 Link to comment
Torinnnnn Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 Did Y'all really expect any other decision when multiple members with power are on one team? Idk why we didn't see this coming at some point in the season Maekaaay and RysPicz 2 Link to comment
KaynineXL Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 I've not read much into what has happened, but I do want to point one thing out. I think we need to be careful when we say people are getting coached. Now, I have no idea if said person even got coached but all I know is something was said in normal. If you're playing your battle and someone tries to tell you what to do, does that mean you are coached? Even if you didn't listen to them or was going to do that anyway(since it was probably an obvious move)? If a friend of mine was playing well on his own throughout a match and I randomly say in normal "If I were you I'd do this ....", does that take all credit away from the person who's legitimately been playing? Does that mean he should be punished? Like I said, I'm not saying said person wasn't coached, I'm just saying we need to be careful on the punishment to the person playing, because he might not want people to say anything and instead look the bad person. EDIT: Oops, just read the admin decision and seems like the SC based the decision around what I was thinking. I guess that's good. DoubleJ, Mkns1070, Kamimiii and 2 others 5 Link to comment
Oltan Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 2 minutes ago, KaynineXL said: I've not read much into what has happened, but I do want to point one thing out. I think we need to be careful when we say people are getting coached. Now, I have no idea if said person even got coached but all I know is something was said in normal. If you're playing your battle and someone tries to tell you what to do, does that mean you are coached? Even if you didn't listen to them or was going to do that anyway(since it was probably an obvious move)? If a friend of mine was playing well on his own throughout a match and I randomly say in normal "If I were you I'd do this ....", does that take all credit away from the person who's legitimately been playing? Does that mean he should be punished? Like I said, I'm not saying said person wasn't coached, I'm just saying we need to be careful on the punishment to the person playing, because he might not want people to say anything and instead look the bad person. Madara's getting punished, and so should his team, Pink isn't confirmed to be getting coached but the council agrees that madara tried to coach, so it has nothing to do with Pink but the score at this point. KaynineXL 1 Link to comment
KaynineXL Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 1 hour ago, Oltan said: Madara's getting punished, and so should his team, Pink isn't confirmed to be getting coached but the council agrees that madara tried to coach, so it has nothing to do with Pink but the score at this point. Yeh I just read and edited. A good call by the SC imo. DoubleJ 1 Link to comment
Oltan Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 1 minute ago, KaynineXL said: Yeh I just read and edited. A good call by the TC imo. And again it's not since there was no real punishment, since they still got away with the win. Link to comment
KaynineXL Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 1 hour ago, Oltan said: And again it's not since there was no real punishment, since they still got away with the win. You can't punish someone when some random person tries to coach you, you punish the person attempting to coaching(if possible). Unless the evidence is obvious that you're being coached you shouldn't be slandered for it. Getting evidence of coaching is hard though, would need the person playing to respond to the coach or perhaps ask for help. Link to comment
gbwead Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 I'm confused. Why would they not get the win if you can't prove that Pink was listening to Madara? Why should there be a team punishment? LKrenz and DoubleJ 2 Link to comment
Zymogen Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 4 minutes ago, KaynineXL said: Yeh I just read and edited. A good call by the TC imo. In my opinion a week ban from PSL for attempting to coach because you "didn't know the rules" is a slap on the wrist. As a player you should make an effort to read and interpret the rules before you start playing so that you don't screw up in situations like this. It's common sense. Why should the punishment for a clear breach in one of the fundamental the rules of PSL mirror the effect of his manager simply benching him for a week? I don't understand Maekaaay and DoubleJ 2 Link to comment
Calculatrize Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Maekaaay said: That's not what the screen says actually, Madara said "That was my fault if he did that play" after people making fun of plays from Pink and then said he didn't know he couldn't coach. He didn't coach in normal chat but in whispers. Edited February 3, 2018 by Calculatrize Maekaaay, Zymogen and Laz 3 Link to comment
Gunthug Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 3 minutes ago, gbwead said: I'm confused. Why would they not get the win if you can't prove that Pink was listening to Madara? Why should there be a team punishment? Im not taking sides on this, but let me just ask you this - when will someone ever be able to prove that? That person A was LISTENING to person B as person B was coaching? It's an impossible standard to live up to, and with that logic no one will ever get punished for being coached barring a confession pachima and Laz 2 Link to comment
KaynineXL Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 Just now, Zymogen said: In my opinion a week ban from PSL for attempting to coach because you "didn't know the rules" is a slap on the wrist. As a player you should make an effort to read and interpret the rules before you start playing so that you don't screw up in situations like this. It's common sense. Why should the punishment for a clear breach in one of the fundamental the rules of PSL mirror the effect of his manager simply benching him for a week? I don't understand Oh, my bad. I mean they got it right with Pinklabel and the team decision. The person coaching is another story. To be honest, a weeks ban is probably alright under the circumstances. DoubleJ 1 Link to comment
Oltan Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 If it were a random person, I'd get "not listening", but Madara is part of the team, so the team tried to coach, pretty simple. Just now, Gunthug said: Im not taking sides on this, but let me just ask you this - when will someone ever be able to prove that? That person A was LISTENING to person B as person B was coaching? It's an impossible standard to live up to, and with that logic no one will ever get punished for being coached barring a confession ^^ Link to comment
Bilburt Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 I dont really care whether Pinklabel gets punished for this, we can't really prove he followed instructions given by madara or any other teammate. Madara should be way heavier punished than just a 1 week ban Link to comment
Oltan Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 Just now, Bilburt said: I dont really care whether Pinklabel gets punished for this, we can't really prove he followed instructions given by madara or any other teammate. Madara should be way heavier punished than just a 1 week ban Again, Pink isn't getting punished, the match's score being changed isn't a punishment for him, but the team. Bilburt 1 Link to comment
Linken Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 man... week one not even finished and we've got salty drama RysPicz and DoubleJ 2 Link to comment
gbwead Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 3 minutes ago, Gunthug said: Im not taking sides on this, but let me just ask you this - when will someone ever be able to prove that? That person A was LISTENING to person B as person B was coaching? It's an impossible standard to live up to, and with that logic no one will ever get punished for being coached barring a confession And when will someone ever get punished for coaching someone barring a confession? The only reason there is a punishment right now is because what Madara confessed. Link to comment
Gunthug Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 Just now, gbwead said: And when will someone ever get punished for coaching someone barring a confession? The only reason there is a punishment right now is because what Madara confessed. Well I think that's much easier to prove - if you say something out loud that appears to be coaching, boom, that's coaching. But how do you prove that someone listened to a coach? Even if they make the move the coach tells them to, they can always say they did it on their own with no help from the coach? Link to comment
Bilburt Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 1 minute ago, gbwead said: And when will someone ever get punished for coaching someone barring a confession? The only reason there is a punishment right now is because what Madara confessed. he literally said; "my fault he made that play" sounds like madara didnt just coach, but pink also followed intructions Calculatrize, Oltan and Maekaaay 3 Link to comment
gbwead Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 2 minutes ago, Gunthug said: Well I think that's much easier to prove - if you say something out loud that appears to be coaching, boom, that's coaching. But how do you prove that someone listened to a coach? Even if they make the move the coach tells them to, they can always say they did it on their own with no help from the coach? "Are you sure?" "What do I do now?" All the kind of things you could asked if you were getting coached. Link to comment
Gunthug Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 Just now, gbwead said: "Are you sure?" "What do I do now?" All the kind of things you could asked if you were getting coached. that would be a slip up of a much greater magnitude than what madara did to get caught. A lot less likely to happen, imo Link to comment
XPLOZ Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 1 hour ago, Bilburt said: 20 battles over 5 days 20/5 = 4 a day 12 battles in 2 days 12/2 = 6 a day Give this man the Fields Medal please Zymogen, Oltan and Bilburt 3 Link to comment
Maekaaay Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 (edited) Life vs Kriger https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-gen4ou-698507806 Edited February 3, 2018 by Maekaaay Zymogen 1 Link to comment
gbwead Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 3 minutes ago, Gunthug said: that would be a slip up of a much greater magnitude than what madara did to get caught. A lot less likely to happen, imo Ya right, admitting to coach in normal chat vs admitting to getting coached in normal chat, there is no way one is more likely than the other, both would be extremely rare and we happen to be in one of the two cases. DoubleJ 1 Link to comment
Bilburt Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-gen4ou-698507806 life vs kriger Maekaaay 1 Link to comment
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