notmudkip0 Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 The introduction of Unova has brought many new things to the competitive world, with LC receiving many new Pokemon and items. Working Eviolite will shape the LC meta and allow better defensive play. However, even Eviolite will not prepare these tots for a major threat: Regirock. Breaking new ground as the first Pokemon in LC without an evolution, Regirock sure has a place in the tier. It holds the highest BST among LC Pokemon with a total of 580, and these stats are not distributed poorly. It has the best Defense in the tier with a base of 200, with a good 100 in Attack and decent 100 Special Defense, along with 80 HP. While it is slow, having only 50 base Speed, it can take advantage of Trick Room or use Curse to boost its already great Defense to massive levels. In addition to boosting with Curse, it can play a more defensive role and set Stealth Rock and use Toxic or Thunder Wave to cripple its opponents. However, it is easily revenge killed, falling to strong special moves after some damage, and it hates any status besides paralysis. It also cannot heal outside of items or Rest, which hampers its longevity. Is Regirock too strong for LC? Can the baby Pokemon of the tier stand up to it? This thread will be used for all discussion related to Regirock in LC. ZoroarkH, Suneet, fredrichnietze and 15 others 17 1 Link to comment
OrangeManiac Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 Eh, I think it's too early for this. It can easily have plenty of checks. Suneet, Toupi and notmudkip0 3 Link to comment
Zymogen Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 (edited) nvm Edited December 22, 2017 by Zymogen Link to comment
Desu Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 I see nothing wrong with this. notmudkip0, OrangeManiac, Roundabout and 4 others 7 Link to comment
DaftCoolio Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 I think the above diagram clearly shows why regirock is fine in LC Parke, cchiovitti527, Draekyn and 9 others 12 Link to comment
Crimar Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 Same DaftCoolio, Suneet and MaatthewMLG 2 1 Link to comment
Takens Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 3 hours ago, Crimar said: Same No u Crimar 1 Link to comment
Popular Post Senile Posted December 23, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted December 23, 2017 Alright, I knew this thread would come eventually. Listen, I know that on paper, Regirock seems completely overwhelming in LC, but you're not accounting for the fact that it doesn't get an Eviolite boost. This is HUGE, and it means it's a lot less bulky than you'd expect from it's raw stats: 236+ Atk Life Orb Drilbur Earthquake vs. 236 HP / 116+ Def Eviolite Onix: 16-18 (69.5 - 78.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO 236+ Atk Life Orb Drilbur Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Regirock: 18-23 (66.6 - 85.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO Yes, it's still bulky, and yes it still has a very high attacking stat. With that being said, that's the only role it can really perform; Physically bulky tank. It's too easily checked, because even if you try to Trick Room, base 50 speed isn't enough to outslow a lot of pokemon in LC, while also not being fast enough for a lot of threats. Without Eviolite and it's pure Rock type, the idea of it ever having any mixed tanking ability is laughable, especially since Sandstorm will only last 5 turns, turns that are probably better spent on, say, sweeping with Drilbur, not to mention that Hippopotas and Regirock have a decent deal of redundancy when on the same team. Curse is a setup that will basically never work, because of how insanely easy it is to check specially. Even if you do manage to get a KO from a Curse boost, unless your opponent has thrown all their special attackers into the garbage bin, you're now insanely easy to kill. As a support-esque defensive mon, I'd argue Onix is a very comparable threat. Yes, Regirock hits a lot harder, but Onix is legitimately quite fast, and has Sturdy for use in a pinch. I don't think it's completely in Regirock's favor, especially since Onix has STAB on Earthquake: 0 Atk Regirock Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 36 Def Drilbur: 11-13 (50 - 59%) -- guaranteed 2HKO 0 Atk Onix Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 36 Def Drilbur: 12-15 (54.5 - 68.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO The biggest nail in the coffin for Regirock is, IMO, how hard a pokemon that's supposed to be a physical tank gets thrashed by top tier physical attackers. The dominant fighting types of Mienfoo, Scraggy, and Timburr are all pokemon that Regirock would never dare to switch in against. Even beyond them, threats like Drilbur and Pawniard both hit Regirock way too hard; And of course, any top tier special attacker makes Regirock's life terrible. tl;dr: Regirock is overhyped, and really isn't that good. Give it time, then we can discuss it. Spoiler idk how the fuck i, in the process of writing this joke post, somehow managed to convince myself Regirock wouldn't be broken in LC. someone send help. YettoDie, Maekaaay, Makarovs and 27 others 30 Link to comment
LakituBroz Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 On 12/22/2017 at 9:01 PM, Senile said: idk how the fuck i, in the process of writing this joke post, somehow managed to convince myself Regirock wouldn't be broken in LC. someone send help. i think that just goes to show how bad regirock actually is Link to comment
RysPicz Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 We have an archeologist over here Link to comment
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