AQA Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 what the even with lvl 50 comps its almost impossible to win and with that short story you cant lvl 6 pokes to lvl 50 the players must spend all their money on revives and hyper potions but will lose till they have no more left but they need the money for breeding and why the hell we must catch that dragon agian now we must even buy hyperballs too please lvl down the final a bit pachima and Nibero 2 Link to comment
Raichuforyou Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 The price of healing items should be brought down a bit. It's ridiculous that I have to get anxiety to use a healing item in a battle just because I may experience a net loss by the end of the battle. lallo17, AQA and wonderland 3 Link to comment
FNTCZ Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 With comps is easily doable, tho I 100% don't know how they expect a new player to beat the storyline legitimately. Roundabout, FuzzyRegirock, wonderland and 5 others 7 1 Link to comment
Mnemosyne Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 I 100% agree. The storyline is hard as fuck. I had to use my OP comps like Ttar, Dragonite and such to beat them. If you are just playing for storyline its almost impossible to beat it. Also revive's cost 3k???? xdxdxd AQA and wonderland 2 Link to comment
RysPicz Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 Use a Curselax. wonderland, LeZenor, AQA and 1 other 4 Link to comment
razimove Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 (edited) 48 minutes ago, AQA said: what the even with lvl 50 comps its almost impossible to win and with that short story you cant lvl 6 pokes to lvl 50 the players must spend all their money on revives and hyper potions but will lose till they have no more left but they need the money for breeding and why the hell we must catch that dragon agian now we must even buy hyperballs too please lvl down the final a bit Yes it is, I used a lvl 50 mence, and solo'ed with him. Not that hard. It's a mmo, if you want things to be easy, play the offline version. Edited November 19, 2017 by redspawn WildHodor, kingcabe and WestTurtle 3 Link to comment
pachima Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 1 minute ago, redspawn said: Yes it is, I used a lvl 50 mence, and solo'ed with him. Not that hard. It's a mmo, if you want things to be easy, play the offline version. except you didnt soloed e4 with a lvl 50 non comp salamence. lallo17 and GymLeaderGary 2 Link to comment
razimove Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 (edited) 1 minute ago, pachima said: except you didnt soloed e4 with a lvl 50 non comp salamence. yeah it was a comp one, but you're allowed to breed pre-e4, aren't you? Actually is kinda good that they introduce breeding within the story line, cause some have no clue how to breed, so it ends up being a kind of tutorial, and making a 2x31 with nature is what? 60k? That's good enough for the story line, crunch/fly/flamethrower/brickbreak clears it, so you can also use him as your fly slave, trade in dclaw for fly after e4 for when you face events past e4. Edited November 19, 2017 by redspawn Link to comment
FNTCZ Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 1 minute ago, redspawn said: yeah it was a comp one, but you're allowed to breed pre-e4, aren't you? Actually is kinda good that they introduce breeding within the story line, cause some have no clue how to breed. So you have to gather a minimun of 250k BEFORE finishing the storyline to build a semi decent comp mence ? kk, gotcha awkways, lallo17 and Suneet 3 Link to comment
Tranzmaster Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 I'm doing a "fair" playthrough of the game as in making a vanilla character and playing unova without using gtl stuff or anything. Got rekt by lenora and cheren after badge 6 is also a pain in the ass. Not to mention skyla with permaroost. I can only assume I'll get rekt by e4. INSERT MEME HERE 7 minutes ago, RysPicz said: Use a Curselax. chuj ci w dupe oszust. GymLeaderGary 1 Link to comment
razimove Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 Just now, FNTCZ said: So you have to gather a minimun of 250k BEFORE finishing the storyline to build a semi decent comp mence ? kk, gotcha 60k. like I told previously. which is achievable. And yes, you can easily make 250k before finishing story line. Items are ridiculously overpriced still in unova. Link to comment
pachima Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 Just now, redspawn said: yeah it was a comp one, but you're allowed to breed pre-e4, aren't you? Actually is kinda good that they introduce breeding within the story line, cause some have no clue how to breed. Dont expect ppl that started this game now to breed a comp salamence just to beat e4 lmao. I for myself didnt find e4 that hard, but it pretty much forced me to use comps that said people can´t hope to possess yet. Also, since most items you get are untradable, you dont get that many yen to go breed comps like that. I would make first e4 non evd, that would make things much easier, while not too easy cause level cap. GymLeaderGary and AQA 2 Link to comment
razimove Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 Just now, pachima said: Dont expect ppl that started this game now to breed a comp salamence just to beat e4 lmao. I for myself didnt find e4 that hard, but it pretty much forced me to use comps that said people can´t hope to possess yet. Also, since most items you get are untradable, you dont get that many yen to go breed comps like that. I would make first e4 non evd, that would make things much easier, while not too easy cause level cap. untradable? Plenty are tradeable. I do believe is do-able with a non comp one, just needs to have crunch which he learns, brick break TM, fly HM, dclaw for later, didn't test it myself. Link to comment
Quakkz Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 dunno i used my lvl 50 comps and had no problems at all Link to comment
thevincent Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 i used an ada non comp haxorus with sd and dd, swept e4 kek Link to comment
xStarr Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 (edited) My goal is to beat the e4 with just 5mons. and without any other mons from another region. And if you don't mind a bit of power leveling, heres what im doing. Using SS in victory road, i get durant hordes and defeat those. (Im using galavatula with discharge specs and its max level cap which is 56) With this i can level one othe rmon with exp share, they get arouns 2k exp. Edited November 19, 2017 by xStarr Link to comment
FNTCZ Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 (edited) 10 minutes ago, redspawn said: untradable? Plenty are tradeable. I do believe is do-able with a non comp one, just needs to have crunch which he learns, brick break TM, fly HM, dclaw for later, didn't test it myself. So they have to sell all their storyline items then? then they have a comp mence and no tms or items. that should be fun. Btw did your mence use cb/life orb? cuz thats another 100k but all of that is besides the point. Pokemmo breeding system is different that in the original games, and you can't ask a new player to not only learn it, but also to efficiently use to make a budget breed (that I've seen a lot of new players struggle with the concept, 5x31 is at least a more "simple" concept) but you are also asking them to ev train it, moveset it, put an expensive item on it. So new players are forced to have knowledge in: ivs, evs, pokemmo's breeding system, competitive sets, etc. and all of this alone before even finishing the storyline. Ever heard of something called "learning curve"? EDIT: To not fail guilty of critiquizing without proposing a solution, I think increasing the 8th gym level cap would let new players have an easier time in the e4 while using non optimal mons. something likelevel 65. that still means that they have to grind a lot of levels in order to beat an overpowered e4. Edited November 19, 2017 by FNTCZ WildHodor, NikhilR, pachima and 2 others 4 1 Link to comment
pachima Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 Just now, FNTCZ said: So they have to sell all their storyline items then? then they have a comp mence and no tms or items. that should be fun. Btw did your mence use cb/life orb? cuz thats another 100k but all of that is besides the point. Pokemmo breeding system is different that in the original games, and you can't ask a new player to not only learn it, but also to efficiently use to make a budget breed (that I've seen a lot of new players struggle with the concept, 5x31 is at least a more "simple" concept) but you are also asking them to ev train it, moveset it, put an expensive item on it. So new players are forced to have knowledge in ivs, evs, pokemmo;s breeding system, competitive sets, etc. and all of this alone before even finishing the storyline. Ever heard of something called "learning curve"? Nah man, apparently, he bred comps perfectly the moment he started this game. He also started with a small loan of 1 million dollars, and had every item at its disposal. GymLeaderGary and NikhilR 2 Link to comment
Raichuforyou Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 (edited) I don't know what is the mentality that the first run of the Elite 4 should be super challenging (At least to the extent it is now). The 1st round should be pretty much as close to the vanilla teams in B/W. By the time you're doing rematches is where things should get challenging. If this is how the elite 4 is, then I'm just going to assume my girlfriend who's a complete casual who's playing alongside with me will never beat the game. Edited November 19, 2017 by Raichu4u AQA 1 Link to comment
AQA Posted November 19, 2017 Author Share Posted November 19, 2017 another problem is their movesets all have 4 attack moves can and kill u easy and dat hyperpotion nerf and gimme my dragon back dammit o.o Link to comment
RysPicz Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 18 minutes ago, Tranzmaster said: I can only assume I'll get rekt by e4 @RacheLucario Objective completed. Your plan has worked, Tranz won't pass e4. gbwead and Goldeneyes 2 Link to comment
razimove Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 4 minutes ago, FNTCZ said: So they have to sell all their storyline items then? then they have a comp mence and no tms or items. that should be fun. Btw did your mence use cb/life orb? cuz thats another 100k but all of that is besides the point. Pokemmo breeding system is different that in the original games, and you can't ask a new player to not only learn it, but also to efficiently use to make a budget breed (that I've seen a lot of new players struggle with the concept, 5x31 is at least a more "simple" concept) but you are also asking them to ev train it, moveset it, put an expensive item on it. So new players are forced to have knowledge in ivs, evs, pokemmo;s breeding system, competitive sets, etc. and all of this alone before even finishing the storyline. Ever heard of something called "learning curve"? EDIT: To not fail guilty of critiquizing without proposing a solution, I think increasing the 8th gym level cap would let new players have an easier time in the e4 while using non optimal mons. something likelevel 65. that still means that they have to grind a lot of levels in order to beat an overpowered e4. I mean, it didn't use any, used black glasses actually, cause I wasn't sure he'd 2hit cofagrigus with crunch and didn't bring any pvp items with me. The mence like said, 0/31/0/0/0/31, + atk nature, will work, this takes what? Lets see, 1x31 is 10k, you need 2, so 20k. 2 braces, 40k, maybe everstone and another pokemon with + atk nature, lets say it isn't even a perfect 31 atk or speed, lets atribute 5k value to it, so that's 65k. You get more than that if you don't skip npcs on story line afaik, a lot more tbh. Also, like I previously said, I'm actually pretty sure a non comp mence with lets say 15+ atk and +atk nature, will do just fine, as long as he gets brick break, which is a TM you get through story, crunch which he gets at 25 iirc, flamethrower at 50, dclaw which is a TM for later, and previous to dclaw use fly which is a HM. 10 minutes ago, thevincent said: i used an ada non comp haxorus with sd and dd, swept e4 kek ^ this should give you an idea, there's no need for comps, I used cause I had them at my disposal, but there's 0 necessity for that. Improve and adapt. Link to comment
Keagle Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 Myself and my friend both beat the E4 no problem with no comps. We also didn't revive/hyper potion spam. I think I used 3 revives and maybe 5 Hypers. Decent challange I guess, but easy enough. WildHodor and razimove 2 Link to comment
DarylDixon Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 Starmie,Gengar an blaziken = unova e4 ez to win Link to comment
Mike Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 I have ran through the game with non comps multiple times. For example on the PTS I ran through with Samurott/Escavelier/Gigalith/Eelektross/Lilligant/Chandelure (These were all 6x15 and a neutral nature) It was challenging but not unbeatable. There are some tricky pokemon in the elite 4 I agree. But it's definitly beatable with some consumables. Also fair to note that I started with 0 yen. Bought TMs from marts and bought consumables. And I still had like 300k leftover after that. I think the main issue here is that everyone is so used to the elite 4 being a laughable part of the game. When it is pretty much that in the original games. How PokeMMO currently is, it will prepare people for the future end game. As the story should be a tutorial for players. Yes it's meant to be hard. Because it's the end of the story. Trust me on this, you don't need comps to beat the e4. The AI tries to predict you. Try predicting the AI from time to time. Also just be prepared enough with some potions and revives. razimove, Perry, ZorNiFieD and 11 others 13 1 Link to comment
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