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so guys, can i get some of your opinion about roserade in nu? that thing isn't kinda broken? as im seeing there are people who spam a modest one and that thing hurt enough clefable

also im not seeing many bronzors nowdays since there are too many and many drapions,doom and honchkrows.. so, if it's possible any suggestions? ok there is mantine it's true but what about that thing is getting usage in uu and it will go on that tier by usage? escavalier don't even think can handle it because of the hp fire...drapion it get hurted enough from gigadrain,(also there should be even a thread about tht poke) the only way im seeing it's amoongus, but dont know  if calm one can do things vs it. i hope to get some suggestions or your opinion about roserade

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16 hours ago, gbwead said:

NU will change drastically in the next usage movement. There is no point in banning anything right before everything will change.

yeah more opened doors for drapion and roserade to smash the entire nu meta with something we are losing for usage that's it what gonna change drastically, don't get why we still have to wait another month about drapion and roserade.

 

 

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6 minutes ago, DarylDixon said:

yeah more opened doors for drapion and roserade to smash the entire nu meta with something we are losing for usage that's it what gonna change drastically, don't get why we still have to wait another month about drapion and roserade.

 

 

We will wait a week, not a month. There is no sense of making the changes now and then making the changes once again due to usage, we would be playing in an odd meta for literally a week only

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28 minutes ago, RysPicz said:

We will wait a week, not a month. There is no sense of making the changes now and then making the changes once again due to usage, we would be playing in an odd meta for literally a week only

Im meaning After September tier update, not this One, so if in September we Will get the tier change, we have to wait One week in thst tier ti see things how Will go?

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1 hour ago, epicdavenport said:

Has the TC looked into Blaziken? It's usage has been going up every season and feels like a massive power house in the tier with it's stab close combat and flare blitz. 

just use lampent

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2 hours ago, epicdavenport said:

Has the TC looked into Blaziken? It's usage has been going up every season and feels like a massive power house in the tier with it's stab close combat and flare blitz. 

Golbat, Slowbro, Slowking, Steelix, Poliwrath (lol), Mantine, Seismitoad and a few others can handle it okay - not to mention aqua jet from feraligatr and to a lesser extent sharpedo.

 

Mixed set can catch people by surprise but can be dealt with easier imo.

 

I think the priority right now is Dugtrio and its abusive Arena Trap ability.

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42 minutes ago, epicdavenport said:

I can agree with that. To a lesser extent is wobbuffet considered problematic in the tier?

Wobbuffet as annoying as it is had its ability nerfed to last for only 3 turns. Alongside that, you can play around it as it's pretty passive in its moveset (encore / destiny bond / counter / mirror coat)

 

The problem with Dugtrio is that its ability isn't nerfed, it has a very fast base speed of 120 meaning it can primarily revenge kill a lot of the offensive threats which are weak to ground (e.g. Blaziken, Drapion, Typhlosion) to name a few.

 

Alongside trapping, it can enable other Pokemon in the team to set up by running Memento, meaning that if the opposing team isn't prepared then it allows a free Shell Smash for example and potential sweep.

 

Pachima and Zymogen described in further detail as to why Dugtrio is unhealthy in the tier, but it's the fact that it forces players to risk how they play or lose a Pokemon to Dugtrio each time which makes it a problem.

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It's time.

 

I would like to discuss a potential Dugtrio ban from NU under uber support characteristics.

 

There's a specific reason why Dugtrio was banned to ubers in several different metagames which rolled through PokeMMO. It's signature ability, Arena Trap, which allows it to trap and effectively remove multiple mons in the NU tier.

 

Since I'm a lazy bum and I took part in multiple Dugtrio discussions over the course of many years, I'm gonna go ahead and just re-post what I already wrote long ago.

 

 

1. The centralization

 

Metagame with Dugtrio is weird, least to say. CB Blazikens are almost never seen anymore, same for specs Houndoom. Any CB locked thunderpunch, specs locked Volt Switch/ TBolt is usually as good as dead with this thing around. It limits the teambuilding a lot, preventing pokes that naturally would hold CB from doing this. Teams are specifically built to avoid being trapped by that. For a long time I thought it's the necessary evil due to it's ability to remove the some special walls with sub reversal but now the CB (and even scarf!) set became much more popular and started to take out multiple mons with it's STAB EQ and coverage moves. To make things even worse, Dugtrio has access to Memento which makes it possible to switch in, set it's rocks and then cripple a mon with memento to allow a setup sweeper to just win the game.

 

2. The speed

 

Dugtrio is in an awesome speed tier, allowing it to outspeed whole NU except some scarf users and speed ties with Sceptile. This makes it's job easier than ever- it's usually bulky enough to tank a weak attack from a wall (for example, Nidoqueen) or even something like HP ice from Manectric and just KO the mon back. Literally every non-flying or levitate poke takes chunks from STAB EQ/ Stone Edge/ Sucker Punch if it's a choice-locked Rotom or something like this.

 

3. Tier without Dugtrio

 

We will finally be able to use pokes like CB Blaziken, Specs Doom, maybe Magneton and hell knows how many more. A lot of sets will finally see the daylight.

 

4. Diglett...?

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All in all, I'm all up in favour to get rid of this thing under support characteristics.

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