caioxlive13 Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 8 hours ago, RysPicz said: Bronzor or Golbat (Stone edge vs Smack Down). You just forget that smack down stops a bit golbat for entering. Reason? If on switch-in you use smack down golbat become susceptible to a earthquake and because of that it has to enter via pivot to not risk being KO'ed after enter. Matthzinxl and CanadaSorry 2 Link to comment
DoubleJ Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 Impish Golbat outspeeds Torterra and only takes 30% from Adamant Life Orb Smack Down on the switch, delivering a deadly 77% damage with Brave Bird or 30% with U-Turn. +2 Adamant Life Orb Smack Down is only 57% top damage, so Golbat still gets to hit it. Golbat is a legend and Torterra would be better served with Stone Edge to check it. You wouldn't understand though. TohnR, Axelgor, YourAngst and 3 others 4 2 Link to comment
caioxlive13 Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 4 minutes ago, DoubleJ said: Impish Golbat outspeeds Torterra and only takes 30% from Adamant Life Orb Smack Down on the switch, delivering a deadly 77% damage with Brave Bird or 30% with U-Turn. +2 Adamant Life Orb Smack Down is only 57% top damage, so Golbat still gets to hit it. Golbat is a legend and Torterra would be better served with Stone Edge to check it. You wouldn't understand though. what i mean is you can't go like, mindless switch with golbat in front of a torterra that revealed smack down, because if he uses on the turn you're switching, you will be susceptible on the next turn to a quake. Golbat is more likely a check to torterra. It can counter it, but need to watch out on switch-in. Link to comment
xStarr Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 (edited) Torterra will be perfectly fine in NU. Jolly SS reaches 236 [+2] Ada SS reaches 216 [+2] Walls/Tanks Spoiler +2 252 Atk Torterra Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Druddigon: 117-138 (63.5 - 75%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery +2 252 Atk Torterra Stone Edge vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Leafeon: 61-72 (35.4 - 41.8%) -- 87.2% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery +2 252 Atk Torterra Stone Edge vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Tangrowth: 63-75 (30.5 - 36.4%) -- guaranteed 4HKO after Leftovers recovery +2 252+ Atk Torterra Stone Edge vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Golbat: 134-158 (73.6 - 86.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO +2 252+ Atk Torterra Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Escavalier: 117-138 (66.1 - 77.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery +2 252 Atk Torterra Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Escavalier: 145-172 (81.9 - 97.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery +2 252 Atk Torterra Wood Hammer vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Eviolite Bronzor: 68-81 (41.4 - 49.3%) -- guaranteed 3HKO Important to note that Stone Edge might be better than Smack down just for the more damage output. 252 Atk Primeape Ice Punch vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Torterra: 144-172 (84.7 - 101.1%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO 0 Atk Escavalier Megahorn vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Torterra: 168-200 (98.8 - 117.6%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO 0 Atk Golbat Brave Bird vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Torterra: 110-132 (64.7 - 77.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO +2 252 Atk Torterra Wood Hammer vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Torterra: 175-207 (102.9 - 121.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO [Consider this Ditto] 0 SpA Tangrowth Hidden Power Fire vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Torterra: 56-68 (32.9 - 40%) -- 100% chance to 3HKO 252 Atk Technician Scyther Wing Attack vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Torterra: 134-158 (78.8 - 92.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO 252 SpA Typhlosion Flamethrower vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Torterra: 156-186 (91.7 - 109.4%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO 252 SpA Alakazam Psychic vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Torterra: 91-108 (53.5 - 63.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO 252 Atk Electivire Ice Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Torterra: 160-192 (94.1 - 112.9%) -- 68.8% chance to OHKO 252+ Atk Piloswine Ice Shard vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Torterra: 124-148 (72.9 - 87%) -- guaranteed 2HKO Edited October 20, 2023 by xStarr epicdavenport and Queza 2 Link to comment
Azphiel Posted December 25, 2023 Share Posted December 25, 2023 With the agreement of a majority of TC members, Articuno was placed in NU. DoubleJ, epicdavenport, RysPicz and 2 others 5 Link to comment
RysPicz Posted December 25, 2023 Share Posted December 25, 2023 Good. Fairly sure it's gonna become untiered soon anyway DoubleJ and Axelgor 2 Link to comment
epicdavenport Posted December 25, 2023 Share Posted December 25, 2023 4 hours ago, RysPicz said: Good. Fairly sure it's gonna become untiered soon anyway Boots when? Axelgor 1 Link to comment
RysPicz Posted December 25, 2023 Share Posted December 25, 2023 3 minutes ago, epicdavenport said: Boots when? jesus I most certainly hope this will not happen anytime soon Axelgor, Shadow, repposh and 7 others 10 Link to comment
DoubleJ Posted December 26, 2023 Share Posted December 26, 2023 On 12/25/2023 at 8:36 AM, RysPicz said: jesus I most certainly hope this will not happen anytime soon Volarona, Butterfree, Scyther, and any other set up GOAT gonna run OP Shadow and Axelgor 1 1 Link to comment
Onraider Posted Monday at 08:12 AM Share Posted Monday at 08:12 AM any discussion on re-evaluating offensive mons like qwilfish now that quagsire might be moving up next month? HumongousNoodle, TohnR and Axelgor 2 1 Link to comment
LeJovi Posted Monday at 11:46 AM Share Posted Monday at 11:46 AM Letting yanmega drop is insaneee Imperial and Axelgor 1 1 Link to comment
Imperial Posted Monday at 05:17 PM Share Posted Monday at 05:17 PM Yanmega must surely go to BL2 or have a quick suspect test? Axelgor 1 Link to comment
gbwead Posted Monday at 06:07 PM Share Posted Monday at 06:07 PM (edited) I don't think Yanmegga would be broken in NU since a few walls can stop it like Gigalith and Golbat. However, I suspect it would be very unhealthy for the NU metagame. Offense would gain a double edge sword with Yanmegga as a powerful tool, but also as what could be an unstoppable threat. It might still be worth testing tho. Looking back at 2019, the UU meta didn't have much to deal with Yanmegga (only Crobat and Snorlax really, since Empoleon didn't exist, Milotic was OU and Gigalith was NU). Perhaps Cryogonal would become more viable. It's hard to tell, but honnestly I'm not sure what Offense will be able to do vs Yanmegga. Edited Monday at 06:12 PM by gbwead Axelgor and VadimEmpoleon 2 Link to comment
drewq Posted Tuesday at 01:23 AM Share Posted Tuesday at 01:23 AM 7 hours ago, gbwead said: I don't think Yanmegga would be broken in NU since a few walls can stop it like Gigalith and Golbat. However, I suspect it would be very unhealthy for the NU metagame. Offense would gain a double edge sword with Yanmegga as a powerful tool, but also as what could be an unstoppable threat. It might still be worth testing tho. Looking back at 2019, the UU meta didn't have much to deal with Yanmegga (only Crobat and Snorlax really, since Empoleon didn't exist, Milotic was OU and Gigalith was NU). Perhaps Cryogonal would become more viable. It's hard to tell, but honnestly I'm not sure what Offense will be able to do vs Yanmegga. I can see specs with u-turn being absolutely disgusting. Speed boost not so much. There's so many pivoting threats now Axelgor 1 Link to comment
gbwead Posted Tuesday at 01:52 AM Share Posted Tuesday at 01:52 AM 28 minutes ago, drewq said: I can see specs with u-turn being absolutely disgusting. Speed boost not so much. There's so many pivoting threats now Ya, but I don't see Stall struggling vs Yanmegga. Offense would tho imo. Axelgor 1 Link to comment
razimove Posted Tuesday at 04:53 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 04:53 PM I dont think golbat is that problematic for yanmega either, assuming you can run psychic on your sets, but why is it even considered to drop to begin with? Axelgor 1 Link to comment
gbwead Posted Tuesday at 05:02 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 05:02 PM (edited) 12 minutes ago, razimove said: I dont think golbat is that problematic for yanmega either, assuming you can run psychic on your sets, but why is it even considered to drop to begin with? The Psychic situation is very similar when you compare Golbat to Crobat. Obviously, the Speed for Bulk tradeoff has an impact in that match up, but it's not that different. Edited Tuesday at 05:06 PM by gbwead razimove 1 Link to comment
VadimEmpoleon Posted Tuesday at 11:54 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 11:54 PM I suggest doing a 1 month test for Yanmega in case its usage doesn't rise by the end of the month. I think NU is probably better without Yanmega but there are some mons that can deal with the Choice Specs Tinted Lens variant like Calm Mantine (except HP Electric), Gigalith, Cryogonal, Golbat (except Psychic), Calm Articuno?, (doesn't seem very good to use for any other purpose), Audino. U-turn seems problematic though. A good part of the sweepers in NU are also faster than Yanmega like Cinccino, Adamant Sceptile, Tauros, Typhlosion, Mismagius, Zoroark, etc. Some have Sturdy like Golem and some have Focus Sash like Froslass. The Speed Boost variant doesn't seem like a big threat and it could be interesting to see it in the tier because it would manage to surpass common mons in NU like Scarf Blaziken and strong threats like Torterra. My main concern about it is U-turn but I think it's worth a try to test it. RysPicz and gbwead 2 Link to comment
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