axx Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 2 hours ago, DoubleJ said: Any word on my lovely gen 1-3 legends? after johto Link to comment
RysPicz Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 People interested in the US/ UM leaks, everything covered in one video: Spoiler OrangeManiac, DoubleJ and Suneet 3 Link to comment
Gunthug Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 Hype for meteor mash lucario Kimikozen, SecretDjinn, NikhilR and 1 other 4 Link to comment
Kimikozen Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 1 minute ago, Gunthug said: Hype for meteor mash lucario no joke i was mid-typing "meteor mash lucario hype" when you posted this DoubleJ and Gunthug 2 Link to comment
DoubleJ Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 Fishing for boosts incoming Link to comment
Senile Posted November 12, 2017 Author Share Posted November 12, 2017 The lists have been changed again, and this is (probably) gonna be the final iteration before the update actually comes out. The main reason for a good amount of these changes has to do with the new addition of Defog as a tutor move, giving it actual distribution, but there's other changes that were made before the Defog tutor thing and never put on this public list. Changes: Hippowdon Nonexistent -> OU Zoroark UU -> Nonexistent Galvantula NU -> UU Mienshao UU -> OU Gliscor UU -> OU Gligar NU -> UU Forretress OU -> UU Tentacruel UU -> NU Mismagius UU -> NU Mantine NU -> UU Bisharp UU -> BL Honchkrow NU -> UU Pretty sure this covers everything that's changed from the old lists. Munya, gbwead and DoubleJ 2 1 Link to comment
suigin Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 Staraptor is also non-existant Munya 1 Link to comment
Mnemosyne Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 (edited) Based on what is Tentacruel NU now? I don't so any reason why Tentacruel would be bad for OU. If I look at Smogon at the BW tier I see Tentacruel being OU. I know this tier is maybe a bit different but is that much different?? Edited November 12, 2017 by Mnemosyne Goldeneyes 1 Link to comment
Senile Posted November 12, 2017 Author Share Posted November 12, 2017 1 minute ago, Mnemosyne said: Based on what is Tentacruel NU now? I don't so any reason why Tentacruel would be bad. If I look at Smogon at the BW tier I see Tentacruel being OU. I know this tier is maybe a bit different but is that much different?? The literal only reason Tentacruel is OU in Gen 5 is because it's one of the only reliable spinners, (Starmie/Excadrill are pretty much your only other options, and Excadrill was banned for a long time) has pretty good passive recovery in Rain with Sludge + Rain Dish, and it's typing lets it answer some scary threats, such as Keldeo, Keldeo, and of course, Keldeo. Just look at it's literal only listed set in BW OU; Tentacruel's best use by far is as a spinner. But if we're getting widespread Defog usage, along with a metagame where Tentacruel's recovery is worse than ever, as well as the things it can check the best not even being out in the metagame to be a threat, it's suddenly a lot less relevant. Not only does Defog make Tenta super irrelevant in OU, but there are a TON of good Defoggers in UU now giving it massive competition. Link to comment
YettoDie Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 6 minutes ago, Mnemosyne said: Based on what is Tentacruel NU now? I don't so any reason why Tentacruel would be bad. Defog. Zymogen 1 Link to comment
Kimikozen Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 Mantine is about to be super good in this meta. Can defog hazards, check common rain threats except for kabutops, check special attackers like volcarona, has recovery in roost, and ofc scald burns. Gonna be a fun mon to build around. aftershocker, Zymogen and DoubleJ 3 Link to comment
DoubleJ Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 19 hours ago, Senile said: The lists have been changed again, and this is (probably) gonna be the final iteration before the update actually comes out. The main reason for a good amount of these changes has to do with the new addition of Defog as a tutor move, giving it actual distribution, but there's other changes that were made before the Defog tutor thing and never put on this public list. Changes: Hippowdon Nonexistent -> OU Zoroark UU -> Nonexistent Galvantula NU -> UU Mienshao UU -> OU Gliscor UU -> OU Gligar NU -> UU Forretress OU -> UU Tentacruel UU -> NU Mismagius UU -> NU Mantine NU -> UU Bisharp UU -> BL Honchkrow NU -> UU Pretty sure this covers everything that's changed from the old lists. So we're now getting hippodon but losing zoroark? pachima 1 Link to comment
Senile Posted November 13, 2017 Author Share Posted November 13, 2017 28 minutes ago, DoubleJ said: So we're now getting hippodon but losing zoroark? Basically. It went from Zoroark being a possibility and Hippowdon being unlikely to Hippo getting confirmed, and Zoroark being pushed off to some unknown time. DoubleJ 1 Link to comment
FNTCZ Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 Just now, Senile said: Basically. It went from Zoroark being a possibility and Hippowdon being unlikely to Hippo getting confirmed, and Zoroark being pushed off to some unknown time. Just out of curiosity. who confirmed hippo and when? Link to comment
suigin Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 Darkshade, a few days ago Link to comment
Makarovs Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 16 hours ago, Kimikozen said: Mantine is about to be super good in this meta. Can defog hazards, check common rain threats except for kabutops, check special attackers like volcarona, has recovery in roost, and ofc scald burns. Gonna be a fun mon to build around. Can Mantine get roost in gen5? Link to comment
suigin Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 30 minutes ago, Makarovs said: Can Mantine get roost in gen5? Gen 7 learnpools Makarovs 1 Link to comment
Mike Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 17 hours ago, Kimikozen said: Mantine is about to be super good in this meta. Can defog hazards, check common rain threats except for kabutops, check special attackers like volcarona, has recovery in roost, and ofc scald burns. Gonna be a fun mon to build around. Smh doesn't even list its most broken addition from the USUM leaks. Mud sport. Kimikozen 1 Link to comment
DarylDixon Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 (edited) 21 hours ago, Senile said: Mienshao UU -> OU Gliscor UU -> OU PLS, keep mienshao uu... also why gliscor ou? isn't useless without poison heall Edited November 13, 2017 by DarylDixon Link to comment
DoubleJ Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 1 hour ago, Senile said: Basically. It went from Zoroark being a possibility and Hippowdon being unlikely to Hippo getting confirmed, and Zoroark being pushed off to some unknown time. Tbh that's probably better from a competitive standpoint Link to comment
Zymogen Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 (edited) 17 minutes ago, DarylDixon said: also why gliscor ou? isn't useless without poison heall Do the calcs for SD AcroGem. The only thing that handles it reliably is Bronzong. Edited November 13, 2017 by Zymogen DoubleJ 1 Link to comment
Kizhaz Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 5 hours ago, TheChampionMike said: Smh doesn't even list its most broken addition from the USUM leaks. Mud sport. Stop giving away my sets m8 pachima and DoubleJ 2 Link to comment
DarylDixon Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 also why Mandibuzz is so underestimated to be NU? It has access to roost, defog and foul play aftershocker and gbwead 2 Link to comment
DoubleJ Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 22 minutes ago, DarylDixon said: also why Mandibuzz is so underestimated to be NU? It has access to roost, defog and foul play One of those mons that could see usage, might not. Feels right starting it low and letting it go to ou naturally if so. Gunthug, aftershocker and gbwead 3 Link to comment
Gunthug Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 4 hours ago, DoubleJ said: One of those mons that could see usage, might not. Feels right starting it low and letting it go to ou naturally if so. My thoughts too. If it'll end up OU, it'll be because of it's reliability, not because it's too powerful or anything. On the flip side, it's so ridiculously passive that I think it'll struggle to find a foothold there DoubleJ 1 Link to comment
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