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Halloween 2017


Xatu

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Holiday events are integral to the MMO genre.  They are a way to give long time players something to look forward to and feel rewarded for their patronage. 

 

Normally the holiday events include exclusive items.  Understandably so these items should not be reused, as doing so would remove the "limited" nature of the item.  Instead however; we can supplement these exclusive items with things that already carry great value. 

 

super rare - donators pass, pc expansion pass, makeover pass, vanities currently in shop

mildly rare - choice band, pvp mystery box

uncommon vanities - black cat ears, candy horns

common items -  Lava Cookies, Rare Candies, TMs for Shadow Ball etc

 

The only thing youd be changing here is the contents of the halloween goodie bags, and possibly adding 2017 to the name/description.  The entire scripted sequence from last year would be reused otherwise.

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Not reading most of the thread before this point so forgive me if someone has said this already. 

 

Repeating vanities will destroy their value. This much is obvious. Most of their value at all comes from the thought that they might never come back. All those pretty graphs that show the way their prices would trend don't take that into consideration. The first time they ever get repeated they would drop to an all time low, not just to the value they sank to in the previous event. Losing the possibility of the item holding any form of rarity makes them pretty much pointless to buy past having one because you like the look of it. Now all of that should be the obvious part. The thing that makes it also bad is that dropping those vanity prices drops the desire of goodie bags altogether. The best part of the event is being able to farm goodie bags then sell them for like 200k each to suckers like me who are addicted to gambling and want to get the rare vanities. I can tell you right now if those same vanities come back I'm not buying goodie bags this year because I already have the good shit from them, where I spent like 14m on them last year. I probably wouldn't buy new goodie bags in the future either knowing the items won't be worth having unless they look good enough to wear regularly. Point being, vanities drop in value drastically, goodie bags drop with them, why even bother with the event if the goodie bags don't sell and the items aren't worth the time? Sure some new players can try their luck grinding for a scythe that they missed out on, but for anyone who was here last year it isn't even worth logging in for. why would they take time out of their day to have an event like that when they're working on something that actually matters to every current and previous player being the new region? 

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7 minutes ago, SodaNaranja said:

You are entitled to your oppinion, but saying "we don't want the event from last year because it'll harm the economy, MY ECONOMY!" sounds pretty selfish to me, however i do agree some items are EXCLUSIVES and i don't mind if they don't return this year, but we can make halloween with all the other vanities. 

 

We are majority, and believe me, i'm not the one that's worried about losing or winning money, i just want halloween because i'm hyped since last year, not introducing it for such a reason as "Old players won't like this" is selfish and will benefit minority. Benefits to minority never turns out well.

What the majority wants does not matter if what the majority wants is bad for the game. Good thing this is not a country, or ppl like you would basically cause it to be ran into the ground lol

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Just now, RealLifeAngel said:

What the majority wants does not matter if what the majority wants is bad for the game. Good thing this is not a country, or ppl like you would basically cause it to be ran into the ground lol

It's not bad to the game lol, also "what the majority wants is bad" lol, do you live in a communist country?  lol, people like me? lol

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Also in response to the initial suggestion, giving away gift shop items like that in large amounts would do the same to RP that it would do to goodie bags. Giving away reasons to buy rp, means less reason to buy rp. imagine if donator status just got handed out as often as a scythe last year. No one would need to pay real money for one for a pretty good amount of time, meaning less profit for devs. Do you really think they'd ever consider that a good idea? 

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9 minutes ago, SodaNaranja said:

You are entitled to your oppinion, but saying "we don't want the event from last year because it'll harm the economy, MY ECONOMY!" sounds pretty selfish to me, however i do agree some items are EXCLUSIVES and i don't mind if they don't return this year, but we can make halloween with all the other vanities. 

 

We are majority, and believe me, i'm not the one that's worried about losing or winning money, i just want halloween because i'm hyped since last year, not introducing it for such a reason as "Old players won't like this" is selfish and will benefit minority. Benefits to minority never turns out well.

If they repeated last years event I would have no problem with that if I only had my benefit in mind. I don't dabble in vanity selling and collecting and whatnot. Doesn't effect me a bit. But I understand that it DOES effect others. So my stance is actually pretty selfless. 

According to Kyu so far, they cant or are unwilling to alter the event, it can only be an exact duplicate of last years or nothing. And considering the duplication would have negative impacts on values, its just smarter to not have it. Nobody is getting benefited here. Not old players and not new players. It just all stays the same for everyone. The point is to not give anyone a loss.

Option 1: Duplicate the event from last years = Some people get benefits. Some people get losses.
Option 2: Have no event at all = No one gets benefits, no one gets losses.

Which one really is better for the majority? Cause I'm sticking firm with #2.

And I agree Halloween is always fun and hype, but we have plenty else to be hype for with the new region coming. 

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4 minutes ago, SodaNaranja said:

It's not bad to the game lol, also "what the majority wants is bad" lol, do you live in a communist country?  lol, people like me? lol

Do you have poor reading comprehension skills or did you just vaguely read what I wrote? Because if you did read it, you would understand what I meant, what I meant is this is a game that is run by a private party, so no the majority does not matter if the staff feels as if what that majority wants ultimately will be bad for the game! So yes, if this was a democratic country ppl like you would cause it to be ran into the ground, because majorities like you are why policies get implemented that destroys economies & turns countries into socialist dungholes. 

 

& for the record, communism ended where I live in the 90's get it together, guy lol

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2 minutes ago, Rigamorty said:

Also in response to the initial suggestion, giving away gift shop items like that in large amounts would do the same to RP that it would do to goodie bags. Giving away reasons to buy rp, means less reason to buy rp. imagine if donator status just got handed out as often as a scythe last year. No one would need to pay real money for one for a pretty good amount of time, meaning less profit for devs. Do you really think they'd ever consider that a good idea? 

lmao bro consumable items are consumable, and a 1/1000 chance wouldn't affect thingsfor very long, maybe like a month at most.  I know you didnt rad the whole thread but i already touched on this.  Just cause ppl get stuff for free one in a year doesnt mean they wont buy it kek.  If anything it puts a good taste in their mouths about RP items and the effects (ie more boxes, higher shiny rate etc).  This will show them how cool these items are, and then they may buy a couple more boxes.  

 

Srsly tho a 3 day event with heavily consumable RP items wouldn't do shit in the long run.  

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1 minute ago, Xatu said:

lmao bro consumable items are consumable, and a 1/1000 chance wouldn't affect thingsfor very long, maybe like a month at most.  I know you didnt rad the whole thread but i already touched on this.  Just cause ppl get stuff for free one in a year doesnt mean they wont buy it kek.  If anything it puts a good taste in their mouths about RP items and the effects (ie more boxes, higher shiny rate etc).  This will show them how cool these items are, and then they may buy a couple more boxes.  

 

Srsly tho a 3 day event with heavily consumable RP items wouldn't do shit in the long run.  

"In the long run" isn't the point. I think it's safe to assume that times like the Halloween event are when they make a shitload of their money. It's when the highest number of players are online, that's the time you want people buying RP, not the time that you give out the items for free.  

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2 minutes ago, Rigamorty said:

"In the long run" isn't the point. I think it's safe to assume that times like the Halloween event are when they make a shitload of their money. It's when the highest number of players are online, that's the time you want people buying RP, not the time that you give out the items for free.  

This is exactly why I said I get the impression a lot of these ppl are only making a big deal out of it b.c they missed out on the chance to get these items & sell them too lol

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Just now, Rigamorty said:

"In the long run" isn't the point. I think it's safe to assume that times like the Halloween event are when they make a shitload of their money. It's when the highest number of players are online, that's the time you want people buying RP, not the time that you give out the items for free.  

Well if we have 3x players online because of halloween event then more people will be online to buy RP!!  If they want to pull in more donations they can add Kyu hat to the shop then or something like that, desus lab coat.  Since both these items can be spawned in the game anyway....  

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8 minutes ago, Rigamorty said:

Not reading most of the thread before this point so forgive me if someone has said this already. 

 

Repeating vanities will destroy their value. This much is obvious. Most of their value at all comes from the thought that they might never come back. All those pretty graphs that show the way their prices would trend don't take that into consideration. The first time they ever get repeated they would drop to an all time low, not just to the value they sank to in the previous event. Losing the possibility of the item holding any form of rarity makes them pretty much pointless to buy past having one because you like the look of it. Now all of that should be the obvious part. The thing that makes it also bad is that dropping those vanity prices drops the desire of goodie bags altogether. The best part of the event is being able to farm goodie bags then sell them for like 200k each to suckers like me who are addicted to gambling and want to get the rare vanities. I can tell you right now if those same vanities come back I'm not buying goodie bags this year because I already have the good shit from them, where I spent like 14m on them last year. I probably wouldn't buy new goodie bags in the future either knowing the items won't be worth having unless they look good enough to wear regularly. Point being, vanities drop in value drastically, goodie bags drop with them, why even bother with the event if the goodie bags don't sell and the items aren't worth the time? Sure some new players can try their luck grinding for a scythe that they missed out on, but for anyone who was here last year it isn't even worth logging in for. why would they take time out of their day to have an event like that when they're working on something that actually matters to every current and previous player being the new region? 

I understand, i myself have all the items i want from last year, i'm not speaking for me here, but for the players that haven't played halloween or simply weren't there last year, now you might think i'm saying "they weren't so they should repeat last year event" no, but i would prefer that over not making anything this year. I'm a guy who likes to support people when something or someone is being unfair to them.

 

4 minutes ago, Staggiie said:

If they repeated last years event I would have no problem with that if I only had my benefit in mind. I don't dabble in vanity selling and collecting and whatnot. Doesn't effect me a bit. But I understand that it DOES effect others. So my stance is actually pretty selfless. 

According to Kyu so far, they cant or are unwilling to alter the event, it can only be an exact duplicate of last years or nothing. And considering the duplication would have negative impacts on values, its just smarter to not have it. Nobody is getting benefited here. Not old players and not new players. It just all stays the same for everyone. The point is to not give anyone a loss.

Option 1: Duplicate the event from last years = Some people get benefits. Some people get losses.
Option 2: Have no event at all = No one gets benefits, no one gets losses.

Which one really is better for the majority? Cause I'm sticking firm with #2.

And I agree Halloween is always fun and hype, but we have plenty else to be hype for with the new region coming. 

I see your point, and i always did, i agree that as a person that's not too worried about vanities your stand is pretty selfless, same here.

 

Yes they are unwilling to make the event due to messing with the vanity prices, but Scythes, vamp fangs, candy horns and skeleton costumes aren't limited items so there's no reason not to bring them back. You may thing nobody is getting benefited by making a Halloween event, but new players are, i personally would be benefited because i like halloween and farming those goodie bags to get 300 spells and 400 lava cookie makes float my boat with extreme joy.

 

With the option 1 some people get benefits some people get losses, this happens really often in real life, as i stated before, more people is in favor of making the event so more people gets benefits than people getting losses, and who say the will get losses, they could always farm that up, i doubt scythes will fall to 500k each.

 

With the option 2 some people gets losses but a bunch of people will be very disappointed, i've been playing the whole year speaking with friends that want Halloween and were saying how excited they were since they've never were in the halloween event.

 

12 minutes ago, RealLifeAngel said:

Do have poor reading comprehension skills or did you just vaguely read what I wrote? Because if you did read it, you would understand what I meant, what I meant is this is a game that is run by a private party, so no the majority does not matter if the staff feels as if what that majority wants ultimately will be bad for the game! So yes, if this was a democratic country ppl like you would cause it to be ran into the ground, because majorities like you are why policies get implemented that destroys economies & turns countries into socialist dungholes. 

 

& for the record, communism ended where I live in the 90's get it together, guy lol

I'm going to stop talking to you now lol, i feel like it's getting contagious lol, whenever you got a solid point try again, lol

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4 minutes ago, Xatu said:

Well if we have 3x players online because of halloween event then more people will be online to buy RP!!  If they want to pull in more donations they can add Kyu hat to the shop then or something like that, desus lab coat.  Since both these items can be spawned in the game anyway....  

Also a terrible idea. They're obtainable in game currently at a pretty much negligible rate. Adding old "limited" items back to the gift shop would make a big hit on all limited vanities that come in the future. No one would be able to trust the value of future limited vanities, ruining their value, which in turn will ruin sales from the gift shop. 

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Just now, Rigamorty said:

Also a terrible idea. They're obtainable in game currently at a pretty much negligible rate. Adding old "limited" items back to the gift shop would make a big hit on all limited vanities that come in the future. No one would be able to trust the value of future limited vanities, ruining their value, which in turn will ruin sales from the gift shop. 

Both the items i listed arent even limited bro!  A rate is a rate, its obtainable ingame so its not fucking limited.  It would retain its fucking value too wanna know why?  BECAUSE YOU WOULD HAVE TO PAY REAL WORLD CASH ON IT.

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Just now, SodaNaranja said:

I'm going to stop talking to you now lol, i feel like it's getting contagious lol, whenever you got a solid point try again, lol

I did have a solid point, I guess you are just too self entitled & stupid to understand it lol 

 

So lets try one more time! what you & these alleged majority want does not matter, b.c what you & they want will destroy the game's economy. So good thing this is not a democratic country because you people would cause it to be ran into the ground, duh

 

 

 

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The main problem seems to be the value of certain vanity because they will be the same... Well... Sometimes the simplest solution is the best. Just change the color of it... Make a mix of 2015/2016 items

 

I already gave some suggestions but anyway:

Ghost Costume - make it Glow at night(not sure if this is something difficult to do also because soon things will be in 3D, correct?) or just change for a nice color maybe purplish like Haunter

Skeleton outfit - again make it glow or change the white skeleton to orange

Scyther - make the blade red or all red something like that

 

There are more put those are the ones that i remember seeing, or most popular.

 

And for the Final Boss maybe the player could choose between the item from 2015 or 2016. Those are untradeable so i guess won't be a big problem

 

same same but different 2017 edition

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3 minutes ago, SodaNaranja said:

but Scythes, vamp fangs, candy horns and skeleton costumes aren't limited items so there's no reason not to bring them back.

They're not limited, but they're exclusive. fangs and horns are pretty undesirable so I have no argument there but the scythe is exclusive and desirable and its worth what? 3-4m range right now I guess. It can be worth more in the future if it stays exclusive to that one year and isnt released again.

 

5 minutes ago, SodaNaranja said:

i doubt scythes will fall to 500k each.

I think they will EASILY fall to that price if they are re-introduced. I think others would agree. That's the entire reason why re-introducing them is bad. 

 

7 minutes ago, SodaNaranja said:

You may thing nobody is getting benefited by making a Halloween event, but new players are, i personally would be benefited because i like halloween and farming those goodie bags to get 300 spells and 400 lava cookie makes float my boat with extreme joy.

I didnt say no one would be benefited if Halloween happened. I said some would benefit. New players most certainly would be. I would be. You would be. Alot of people would be. But it's not worth huge losses for others. My stance is in favor of no one getting screwed. Even if that means no one gets benefits. 

 

10 minutes ago, SodaNaranja said:

With the option 2 some people gets losses but a bunch of people will be very disappointed, i've been playing the whole year speaking with friends that want Halloween and were saying how excited they were since they've never were in the halloween event.

I was excited too. Hell, I took screen shots last year of all the NPCs with the intention of making a Halloween event guide for this year, I was hype. But I also don't want anyone losing money just so I can feel joy. I think those people would be alot more disappointed to lose millions of yens than we are to not have an event. 

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33 minutes ago, Rigamorty said:

Halloween event are when they make a shitload of their money.

tbh if that was the case we wouldn't be having this discussion, they would just push the update a couple months without letting us know to put out the event

 

10 minutes ago, Calculatrize said:

we could just hang out in verm and tell spooky horror stories

yes, with bidoof and frog hats

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