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SWEET SCENT POKEMMO MAP

 

 

 

 

WHAT IS SWEET SCENT?

"Sweet scent" is a pokemon move that could be used also outside battles. Usually only few grass pokemon (or Smeargle) can learn it. The PP base points are 20 and outside battles it needs 5 pp to work properly. Particular items could help you to restore the total amount of PP if you are far away from a poke center. 

 

 

HOW DOES IT WORK?

Easy, just select your pokemon and press on it. Then click on "sweet scent": 

it will lures hordes of pokemon when used in tall grass, seas or caves. It requires 5 pp each time.

 

 

WHY IS IT SO USEFUL?

Using "sweet scent" you could easily cut the time needed to train your pokemon (EVs training)

or catch your preferred shiny (if on the list above).

 

 

WHEN CAN SWEET SCENT BE USED?

"Sweet scent" can be used in any moment of the day-night time period.

 

 

WHERE CAN SWEET SCENT BE USED?

"Sweet scent" can be used nearly in any part of the game while through grass, caves and seas. However, the results of the move largely depend of the place in which it is used. This map is therefore created in order to put light on this issue and to help players to find the right place to achieve  personal purposes.

 

 

 

 

HOENN MAP:

 

  • HOENN 101, 102, 104: NO
  • HOENN 103
    •  SEA: TENTACOOL/TENTACRUEL X5 (+1/2 SPDEF), WINGULL/PELIPPER (+1 SPE/+ 2 DEF) X5
  • HOENN 105: NO
  • HOENN 106:
    • CAVERN: ZUBAT X3 (+1 SPE), WINGULL X3 (+1 SPE)
  • HOENN 107, 108, 109
    • SEA: TENTACOOL X3 (+1 SPDEF), WINGULL X3 (+1 SPE)
  • HOENN 110
    • LAND: WINGULL X3 (+1 SPE), ELECTRIKE X3 (+1 SPE), VOLTORB X3(+1 SPE),
    • WATER: TENTACOOL X3 (+1 SPDEF)
  • NEW MAUVILLE: VOLTORB X3 (+1 SPE)
  • HOENN 111: NO
  • JAGGED PASS: SPOINK X3 (+1 SPDEF), NUMEL X3 (+1 SPATT)
    • MAGMA HIDEOUT: GEODUDE/GRAVELER X5 (+ 1/2 DEF)
  • FIERY PATH: TYROGUE/MACHOP X3 (+1/+1 ATT), NUMEL X3 (+1 SPATT), GRIMER/MACHOP X3 (+1 HP, +1 ATT), NUMEL/TORKOAL X3 (+1 SPATT/+2 DEF)
  • HOENN 112: NUMEL X3 (+1 SPATT)
  • HOENN 113: NO
  • HOENN 114: MARILL/AZUMARILL X3 (+2/+3 HP), LOTAD/SWABLU X3 (+1 SPDEF)
  • METEOR FALLS: ZUBAT X3 (+1 SPE), SOLROCK 3X (WATER) (+2 ATT)
    • 2ND FLOOR INSIDE: 5X SOLROCK/LUNATONE/GOLBAT (+2 ATT/ +2 SPATT/ +2 SPE)
  • HOENN 115: 3X SWABLU/TAILLOW (+1 SPDEF/+1 SPE)
  • HOENN 116: NO
  • RUSTURF TUNNEL: 3X WHISMURM (+1 HP)
  • HOENN 117: ROSELIA X3 (+1 SPATT), ODDISH X3 (+1 SPATT), ZIGZAGOON X3 (DAY, +1 SPE), POOCHYENA X3 (NIGHT, +1 ATT)
  • HOENN 118: TENTACOOL X3(+1 SPDEF), LINOONE/WINGUL X3 (+2 SPE, +1 SPE), ELECTRIKE X3 (+1 SPE), MIGHTYENA X3 (+2 ATT)
    • SCOARCHED SLAB: GOLBAT X3 (+2 SPE)
  • HOENN 119: NO
  • HOENN 120: LINOONE X3 (+2 SPE), GLOOM X3 (+2 SPATT)
  • HOENN 121:
    • DAY: GLOOM X5 (+2 SPATT)
    • NIGHT: GLOOM X3 (+2 SPATT)
  • HOENN 123-124: TENTACOOL/TENTACRUEL X5(+1/2 SPDEF), WINGULL/PELIPPER X5 (+1 SPE/+2 DEF)
    • SHOAL CAVE: GOLBAT X5 (+2 SPE), SPHEAL/SEALEO X5 (+1/2 HP)
  • VICTORY ROAD: GOLBAT/MEDICHAM X5 (+2/+2 SPE),  LOUDRED X5 (+2 HP)
  • SKY PILLAR: GOLBAT x5 (+2 SPE), ARIADOS X5 (+2 ATT), MAWILE X5 (+1 ATT,+1 DEF)/SABLEYE X5 (+1 ATT, +1 DEF)
  • HOENN 132: 5X WINGULL/PELIPPER (+1 SPE/+2 DEF),  TENTACOOL/TENTACRUELX5 (+1/2 SPDEF)

 

 

KANTO MAP:

 

  • ROUTE 1: NO
  • DIGLETT CAVE: DIGLETT/DUGTRIO X3 (+1/2 SPE)
  • ROUTE 2: NO
  • VIRIDIAN FOREST: NO
  • ROUTE 3: NO
  • ROUTE 4: NO
  • MT MOON: 3X ZUBAT (+1 SPE), 3X PARAS (+1 ATT)
  • CERULEAN: NO
  • ROUTE 24 : 5X TENTACOOL (+1 SPDEF)
  • ROUTE 25: NO
  • CERULEAN CAVE: KADABRA X5 (+2 SPATT), SLOWPOKE/SLOWBRO X5 (+1 HP/+2 DEF)
    • 1° STAIRS: 5X MAGNETON (+2 SPATT), KADABRA X5 (+2 SPATT)
    • STAIRS AT BOTTOM LEFT: 5X MACHOKE/PRIMEAPE (+2/+2 ATT), MAGNETON X5 (+2 SPATT)
  • ROUTE 5: BELLSPROUT (+1 ATT), PIDGEY/MEOWTH 3X (+1/+1 SPE)
  • ROUTE 6: MAGNEMITE (+1 SPATT), BELLSPROUT (+1 ATT), PIDGEY 3X (+1 SPE)
  • VERMILION: 5X TENTACOOL (+1 SPDEF)
  • ROUTE 7: PIDGEY (+1 SPE), BELLSPROUT (+1 ATT), GROWLITHE/VULPIX X3 (+1 ATT, +1 SPE)
  • ROUTE 8:
    • DAY: GROWLITHE/VULPIX 3X (+1ATT, +1 SPE), PIDGEY (+1 SPE), BELLSPROUT X3 (+1 ATT)
    • NIGHT: HOOTHOOT X3 (+1 HP)
  • ROUTE 9: RATTATA 3X (+1 SPE), MANKEY 3X (+1 ATT)
  • ROUTE 10: EKANS/SANDREW 3X (+1 ATT, +1 DEF), MAGNEMITE/VOLTORB 3X (+1 SPATT, +1 SPE), TENTACOOL 5X (+1 SPDEF)
  • POWER PLANT: VOLTORB 3X (+1 SPE), PIKACHU X3 (+2 SPE), MAGNEMITE/MAGNETON 3X (+1/2 SPATT)
  • ROCK TUNNEL:
    • ENTRANCE/1ST FLOOR MACHOP X3(+1ATT), GEODUDE X3 (+1 DEF)
    • 2ND FLOOR/STAIRS ZUBAT X3 (+1 SPE), GEODUDE/ONIX (+1/+1 DEF)
    • 3RD FLOOR/STAIRS MACHOP/MANKEY X3 (+1/+1 ATT), ZUBAT X3 (+1 SPE)
    • 4TH FLOOR/STAIRS GEODUDE/ONIX X3 (+1/+1 DEF), MACHOP/MANKEY X3 (+1/+1 ATT)
    • 5TH FLOOR/STAIRS/EXIT ZUBAT X3 (+1 SPE), GEODUDE X3 (+1 DEF)
  • POKEMON TOWER: GASTLY/HAUNTER X3 (+1/2 SPATT), CUBONE X3 (+1 DEF)
  • VERMILION: TENTACOOL X5 (+1 SPDEF)
  • ROUTE 11: DROWZEE X3 (+1 SPDEF), HOOTHOOT X3 (+1 HP), MAGNEMITE X3 (+1 SPATT)
  • ROUTE 12:
    • WATER:TENTACOOL X5 (+1 SPDEF)
    • FIRST GARDEN ON THE LEFT: ODDISH/GLOOM X5 (+1/2 SPATT), VENONAT X5 (+1 SPDEF)
    • GARDEN NEAR FENCE: DITTO X5 (+1 HP), VENONAT X5 (+1 SPDEF), GLOOM/ODDISH X5 (+1/2 SPATT)
  • ROUTE 13: NO
  • ROUTE 14: ODDISH/GLOOM X5 (+1/2 SPATT), VENONAT X5 (+1 SPDEF)
  • ROUTE 15:
    • DAY: DITTO X5 (+1 HP), PIDGEOTTO X5 (+2 SPE), BELLSPROUT/WEEPINBELL X5 (+1/+1 ATT
    • NIGHT: VENONAT X5 (+1 SPDEF), GLOOM/ODDISH X5 (+1/2 SPATT), DITTO X5 (+1 HP)
  • ROUTE 16: SPEAROW 5X (+1 SPE), DODUO 5X (+1 ATT), GRIMER 5X (+1 HP)
  • FUCHSIA CITY: NO
  • ROUTE 17: GRIMER X5 (+1 HP), RATTATA/RATICATE X5 (+1 SPE)
  • ROUTE 18: RATTATA/RATICATE X5 (+1 SPE), GRIMER X5 (+1 HP)
  • ROUTE 19: TENTACOOL X5 (+1 SPDEF)
  • ROUTE 20: TENTACOOL X5 (+1 SPDEF)
  • SEAFOAM ISLANDS:
    • ENTRANCE/1ST FLOOR: ZUBAT/GOLBAT X5 (+1/2 SPE), PSYDUCK/GOLDUCK X5 (+1/2 SPATT)
    • 2ND FLOOR/STAIRS PSYDUCK/GOLDUCK X5 (+1/2 SPATT)
    • 3RD FLOOR/STAIRS PSYDUCK/GOLDUCK X5 (+1/2 SPATT), SLOWPOKE/SLOWBRO X5 (+1 HP, +2 DEF)
    • 4TH FLOOR/STAIRS
      • WATER: SLOWPOKE/SLOWBRO X5 (+1 HP/ +2 DEF),
      • GROUND: ZUBAT/GOLBAT X5 (+1/2 SPE)
    • 5TH FLOOR/STAIRS SLOWPOKE/SLOWBRO X5 (+1 HP/+2 DEF)
  • POKEMON MANSION: KOFFING/WEEZING X5 (+1/2 DEF)
  • ROUTE 21 TENTACOOL X5 (+1 SPDEF), TANGELA X5 (+1 DEF)
  • ROUTE 22: NO
  • ROUTE 23: MANKEY/PRIMEAPE X5 (+1/2 ATT), ARBOK 5X (+2 ATT) (NORD AREA)
  • VICTORY ROAD
  • ENTRANCE/1ST FLOOR: 5X SANDSLASH (+2 DEF), 5x MACHOP/MACHOKE (+1/2 ATT), 5X ONIX/GRAVELER/MAROWAK (+1 DEF/+2 DEF/ +2 DEF)
  • 2ND FLOOR/STAIRS: 5X ONIX (+1 DEF), 5X MAROWAK (+2 DEF)
  • 3RD FLOOR/STAIRS/EXIT: 5X MACHOP/MACHOKE (+1/2 ATT), ONIX/GRAVELER X5 (+1 DEF/+2 DEF)
  • ISLAND 1
    • TREASURE BEACH: SOLROCK X5 (+2 ATT), TANGELA X5 (+1 DEF), SPEAROW/FEAROW X5 (+1/2 SPE)
    • KINDLE ROAD: TENTACOOL/TENTACRUEL X5 (+1/2 SPDEF), PONYTA/RAPIDASH X5 (+1/2 SPE), MEOWTH/PERSIAN X5 (+1/2 SPE)
    • MT EMBER: SPEAROW/FEAROW 5X (+1/2 SPE), PONYTA/RAPIDASH X5 (+1/2 SPE),
      • LEFT ENTRANCE: MACHOP/MACHOKE X5 (+1/2 ATT)
      • RIGHT ENTRANCE:
        • ENTRANCE/1ST FLOOR MACHOP X5 (+1 ATT)
        • 2ND FLOOR/STAIRS SLUGMA X5 (+1 SPATT)
        • 3RD FLOOR/STAIRS GEODUDE X5 (+1 DEF), SLUGMA X5 (+1 SPATT
        • 4TH FLOOR/STAIRS SLUGMA X5 (+1 SPATT)
  • ISLAND 2
    • CAPE BRINK: ODDISH/GLOOM X5 (+1/2 SPATT), SLOWBRO/SLOWPOKE X5 (+1 HP/ +2 DEF)
  • ISLAND 3
    • PORT: DUNSPARCE X5 (+1 HP)
    • BOND BRIDGE: ODDISH/GLOOM X5 (+1/2 SPATT), BELLSPROUT/WEEPINBELL X5 (+1/2 ATT), PIDGEY/PIDGEOTTO X5 (+1/2 SPE), TENTACOOL/CRUEL X5 (+1/2 SPDEF)
    • BERRY FOREST: BELLSPROUT/WEEPINBELL X5 (+1 ATT), VENONAT(+1 SPDEF)/VENOMOTH X5 (+1 SPATT,+1 SPE), PSYDUCK/GOLDUCK X5 (+1/2 ATT), ODDISH/GLOOM X5 (+1/2 SPATT), SLOWPOKE/SLOWBRO X5 (+1 HP/+2 DEF)  
  • ISLAND 4
    • ICEFALL CAVE:
      • ENTRANCE/1ST FLOOR: ZUBAT/GOLBAT X5(+1/2 SPE), DEWGONG X5 (+2 SPDEF),
      • 2ND FLOOR/STAIRS: SEEL X5 (+1 SPDEF), TENTACOOL/CRUEL X5 (+1/2 SPDEF)
  • ISLAND 5
    • MEADOW: PERSIAN/MEOWTH X5 (+1/2 SPE), PIDGEOTTO X5 (+2 SPE),
    • PILLAR: TENTACOOL/CRUEL X5 (+1/2 SPDEF), HOPPIP X5 (+1 SPDEF),
    • LABYRINTH: TENTACOOL/CRUEL X5 (+1/2 SPDEF)
    • LOST CAVE: GASTLY/HAUNTER X5 (+1/2 SPATT), GOLBAT/ZUBAT X5 (+1/2 SPE)
  • ISLAND 6
    • WATER PATH: ODDISH/GLOOM 5X (+1/2 SPATT), SPEAROW/FEAROW X5 (+1/2 SPE), TENTACOOL/CRUEL X5 (+1/2 SPDEF)
    • RUIN VALLEY: SPEAROW/FEAROW X5 (+1/2 SPE), PERSIAN X5 (+2 SPE)
    • PATTERN BUSH: HERACROSS X5 (+2 ATT)
    • GREEN PATH: TENTACOOL/CRUEL X5 (+1/2 SPDEF)
    • ALTERING CAVE: NO
  • ISLAND 7
    • TRAINER TOWER: TENTACOOL/CRUEL X5 (+1/2 SPDEF)
    • CANYON ENTRANCE: MEOWTH/PERSIAN X5 (+1/2 SPE), SPEAROW/FEAROW X5 (+1/2 SPE),
    • SEVAULT CANYON: MEOWTH/PERSIAN X5 (+1/2 SPE), SPEAROW/FEAROW X5 (+1/2 SPE), MAROWAK/GEODUDE/ONIX X5 (+2 DEF/ +1 DEF/ +1 DEF)
    • TANOBY RUINS: TENTACOOL/CRUEL X5 (+1/2 SPDEF)

 

 

 

UNOVA MAP - SPRING:

 

  • ROUTE 1: LILLIPUP (+1 ATT), PATRAT X1 (+1 ATT), BASCULIN X1 (+2 SPE)
    • ROUTE 1 (AFTER SURFING AREA): HERDIER X5 (+2 ATT)
  • ROUTE 2: PATRAT X1 (+1 ATT), LILLIPUP X1 (+1 ATT)
  • TRIATON CITY: BASCULIN X1 (+2 SPE)
  • DREAMYARD
    • NORTH: PATRAT X1 (+1 ATT), PURRLOIN X1 (+1 SPE)
    • SOUTH: LIEPARD X5 (+2 SPE)
    • UNDERGROUND: KRICKETUNE X5 (+2 ATT)
  • ROUTE 17: FRILLISH X1 (+1 SPDEF)
  • LABORATORY P&P: HERDIER/WATCHOG X5 (+2/2 ATT)
  • ROUTE 18: FRILLISH X1 (+1 SPDEF), SCRAGGY X5 (+1 ATT)
  • STRIATON CITY: BASCULIN X1 (+2 SPE)
  • ROUTE 3: PATRAT X1 (+1 ATT), PIDOVE X1 (+1 ATT), PURRLOIN X1 (+1 SPE), LILLIPUP (+1 ATT), BLITZIE X1 (+1 SPE), BASCULIN X1 (+2 SPE)
  • WELLSPRING CAVE:
    • 1ST FLOOR: WOOBAT X1 (+1 SPE), BASCULIN X1 (+1 SPE), ROGGENROLA X1 (+1 DEF
    • 2ND FLOOR: ROGGENROLA X1 (+1 DEF), BASCULIN X1 (+2 SPE)
  • PINWHEEL FOREST
    • SOUTH AREA BEFORE FOREST: PIDOVE X3 (+1 SPE), TYMPOLE X3 (+1 SPE)
    • FOREST: SEWADDLE (+1 DEF)/SWADLOON (+2 DEF)/VENIPEDE (+1 DEF)/COTTONEE (+1 SPE)/WHIRLPEDE (+2 DEF) X3, BASCULIN X3 (+2 SPE)
  • ROUTE 4: SANDILE (+1 ATT)/ SCRAGGY (+1 ATTX3 
  • DESERT RESORT: DARUMAKA X3 (+1 ATT), SANDILE  X3 (+1 ATT)
  • RELIC CASTLE:
    • ENTRANCE: YAMASK X3 (+1 DEF)
    • -1,-2,-3,-4 FLOORS: COFAGIRUS X5 (+2 DEF)
    • -5,-6 FLOORS: KROKOROK X5 (+2 ATT)
    • -6 FLOOR (ROOM OF VOLCARONA): CLAYDOL X5 (+2 SPDEF)
    • -1 FLOOR, EXIT ROOM : SANDILE  X3 (+1 ATT)
  • ROUTE 5:
    • GRASS:  TRUBBISH X3 (+1 SPE), MINCCINO X3 (+1 SPE)
    • DARK GRASS: LIEPARD X3 (+2 SPE), TRUBBISH X3 (+1 SPE)
  • DRIFTVEIL CITY: FRILLISH (+1 SPDEF) X3, 
  • COLD STORAGE
    • GRASS: MINCCINO/HERDIER (+1 SPE/+2 ATT) X3, VANILLITE X3 (+1 SPATT)
    • DARK GRASSMINCCINO/HERDIER (+1 SPE/+2 ATT) X5
  • ROUTE 6:
    • GRASS: SWADLOON/DEERLING/KARRABLAST/FOONGUS/TRANQUILL (+2 DEF/+1 SPE/+1 ATT/+1 HP/+2 ATT) X3,
    • WATER: BASCULIN (+2 SPE) X3
    • DARK GRASS: DEERLING/TRANQUILL X5 (+1 SPE/+2 ATT)
  • MISTRALTON CAVE: BOLDORE X5 (+1 ATT, +1 DEF), AXEW X5 (+1 ATT)
  • CHARGESTONE CAVE: JOLTIK X5 (+1 SPE)
  • ROUTE 7: DEERLING/UNFEZANT/WATCHOG (+1 SPE/+3 ATT/+2 ATT) x5
  • CELESTIAL TOWER: LITWICK X5 (+1 SPATT)
  • TWIST MOUNTAIN: BOLDORE X5 (+1 ATT, +1 DEF)
  • DRAGOSPIRAL TOWER:
    • GRASS: MIENFOO X5 (+1 ATT)
    • WATER: BASCULIN X5 (+2 SPE)
    • INSIDE: GOLETT X5 (+1 ATT)
  • ICIRRUS CITY:
    • LOW WATER: SHELMET X5 (+1 DEF)
    • WATER (SURFING): STUNKFISH x5 (+2 HP)
  • ROUTE 8: SHELMET X5 (+1 DEF)
  • MOOR OF ICIRRUS:
    • LOW WATER: PALPITOAD X5 (+2 HP)
    • WATER (SURFING): STUNKFISH x5 (+2 HP)
  • ROUTE 9: GARBODOR X5 (+2 ATT
  • CHALLENGER'S CAVE: WOOBAT X5 (+1 SPE), BOLDORE X5 (+1 ATT, +1 DEF), BASCULIN X5 (+2 SPE
  • ROUTE 10: HERDIER/STOUTLAND X5 (+2 ATT/+3 ATT
  • ROUTE 11: GOLDUCK X5 (+2 SPATT), BASCULIN X5 (+2 SPE
  • VILLAGE BRIDGE: GOLDUCK X5 (+2 SPATT), BIBAREL X5 (+2 ATT), BASCULIN X5 (+2 SPE
  • ROUTE 12: ROSELIA X5 (+2 SPATT), RAPIDASH X5 (+2 SPE)
  • ROUTE 13: TANGELA X5 (+1 DEF), WINGULL/PELIPPER X5 (+1 SPE/+ 2 DEF)
  • GIANT CHASM: 
    • CAVE: GOLBAT x5 (+2 SPE), BASCULIN X5 (+2 SPE)
    • GRASS: PILOSWINE  X5 (+1 HP, +1 ATT)
  • UNDELLA BAY: WINGULL/PELIPPER X5 (+1 SPE/+ 2 DEF)
  • ROUTE 14: GOLDUCK X5 (+2 SPATT), BASCULIN X5 (+2 SPE)
  • ABUNDANT SHRINE: NOCTOWL X5 (+2 HP), BASCULIN X5 (+2 SPE), VULPIX X5 (+1 SPE)
  • ROUTE 15: FEAROW 5X (+2 SPE),
  • ROUTE 16: TRUBBISH X3 (+1 SPE), LIEPARD X3 (+2 SPE)
  • LOSTLORN FOREST: SWADLOON (+2 DEF)/VENIPEDE (+1 DEF) X3 , BASCULIN X1 (+2 SPE),
    • HIDDENZORUA (+1 SPATT)

 

NOTE:

  1. This guide tries to follow the history of a common player during the game. Also the parts regarding Caverns like "2nd,3rd.. floor/stairs" (etc) follow this idea.
  2. The map could be incompleted; in case of new findings please write a post below regarding it.
  3. I will definetely add your information in this guide, so any help would be really useful :)
  4. Let's catch them all!

 

SPECIAL THANKS TO DARYL, XATU, JEISEUN, BAALSLAYER, WADE  for the collaboration!

 

Edited by Genka
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Hello everyone!

If you have data, tips or information to add here I would be more than happy to add them to this document (the same if you find some mistakes). Clearly a special mention with your nickname will be add at the end of the document to thank for the help :)

 

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On 3/4/2019 at 3:14 PM, BaalSlayer said:

Using Sweet Scent at Kanto Route 15 (in the grass just past the Fuchsia gate), I found the following hordes:

  • 5x Pidgeotto
  • 5x Ditto
  • 4x Bellsprout + 1x Weepinbell

I didn't see a Venonat horde after a couple dozen tries, but that might've just been luck.

Thank you BaalSlayer for your help, it seems that they have changed the location of some of the sweet scent's hordes. I've already update the list, if you find other differences, just write a post here below. When I have time i will make another journey around the pokemmo world to check all the positions :)
 

ps. Now you are also on the list of the contributors, thanks!

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2 hours ago, Genka said:

It would be wonderful Dibz! Let me know when you finish, joining efforts is always the best way to make a great work:)
Instead, regarding the issue of the venonat found by BaalSlayer, it seems that they are still there, but only during the nights.  

Can confirm this. The hordes that appear at night are 5x Oddish/Gloom, 5x Venonat and 5x Ditto while the daytime hordes are the ones @BaalSlayer mentioned

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On 3/26/2019 at 9:03 PM, Wade said:

Route 121 Hoenn is 5 Glooms now

Thanks Wade to have reported the issue. I've personally checked the route and it seems that during the day there are 5 Glooms, during the night 3. I've already updated the map.

Ah..from now on you are on the list of the contributors :)

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