Senile Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 6 hours ago, RysPicz said: @Senile Flygon is getting DD next update. You sure this won't be OU? Salamence/Dragonite are coming down with DD themselves, and even they have to compete as setup sweepers with Weather-based offense like Swift Swim & Excadrill. Sure, he has a niche because we don't have Garchomp, so his typing is still unique, but I definitely don't think DD will help it's OU viability. If anything, it might see usage as a choice pokemon because of U-turn, but even then, I doubt it'll be very common past the first few weeks where people are still using old comps. Link to comment
lawwin Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 RIP SHINIES STARTER POKEMON WIll getting drop the $$$~ Link to comment
meliodas Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 On 21/9/2017 at 7:51 PM, Rigamorty said: Here are the tiers as we have them now for when the update hits. If there's anyone who sees something that we may have missed that seems offsetting let us know. Things we're currently talking about are Cloyster from UU to OU, Gigalith from OU to UU, and Darmanitan from UU to OU. OU Reveal hidden contents Aerodactyl Azumarill Bisharp Blaziken Blissey Breloom Bronzong Chandelure Chansey Conkeldurr Dragonite Dugtrio Excadrill Ferrothorn Flygon Forretress Gengar Gliscor Gyarados Haxorus Heracross Hydreigon Jellicent Kingdra Lucario Machamp Magnezone Mamoswine Medicham Metagross Milotic Pelipper Porygon-Z Reuniclus Rhyperior Salamence Scizor Skarmory Slowbro Snorlax Staraptor Starmie Swampert Togekiss Tyranitar Venusaur Volcarona Weavile Yanmega UU Reveal hidden contents Absol Alakazam Altaria Ambipom Arcanine Archeops Armaldo Beartic Bouffalant Braviary Carracosta Charizard Clefable Cloyster Cofagrigus Crobat Darmanitan Dodrio Durant Dusclops Dusknoir Electivire Emboar Espeon Feraligatr Froslass Gallade Gardevoir Gigalith Golurk Gothitelle Hariyama Hitmonlee Honchkrow Houndoom Jolteon Kangaskhan Krookodile Lilligant Linoone Ludicolo Magneton Marowak Mienshao Miltank Mismagius Nidoking Nidoqueen Porygon2 Rhydon Roserade Samurott Sceptile Scrafty Sigilyph Slaking Stoutland Swellow Tangrowth Tauros Tentacruel Torkoal Typhlosion Umbreon Ursaring Vaporeon Venomoth Weezing Whimsicott Zangoose NU Reveal hidden contents Abra Accelgor Aggron Aipom Alomomola Amoonguss Ampharos Anorith Arbok Archen Ariados Aron Audino Axew Azurill Bagon Baltoy Banette Barboach Basculin Bayleef Beautifly Beedrill Beheeyem Beldum Bellossom Bellsprout Bibarel Bidoof Blastoise Blitzle Boldore Bonsly Bronzor Budew Buizel Bulbasaur Burmy Butterfree Cacnea Cacturne Camerupt Carvanha Cascoon Castform Caterpie Charmander Charmeleon Chikorita Chimecho Chinchou Chingling Cinccino Clamperl Claydol Clefairy Cleffa Combee Combusken Corphish Corsola Cottonee Cradily Crawdaunt Croconaw Crustle Cryogonal Cubchoo Cubone Cyndaquil Darumaka Deerling Deino Delcatty Delibird Dewgong Dewott Diglett Ditto Doduo Donphan Dragonair Dratini Drifblim Drifloon Drilbur Drowzee Druddigon Ducklett Dunsparce Duosion Duskull Dustox Dwebble Eelektrik Eelektross Eevee Ekans Electabuzz Electrike Electrode Elekid Elgyem Emolga Escavalier Exeggcute Exeggutor Exploud Farfetch'd Fearow Feebas Ferroseed Finneon Flaaffy Flareon Floatzel Foongus Fraxure Frillish Furret Galvantula Garbodor Gastly Geodude Girafarig Glaceon Glalie Gligar Gloom Golbat Goldeen Golduck Golem Golett Gorebyss Gothita Gothorita Granbull Graveler Grimer Grovyle Growlithe Grumpig Gulpin Gurdurr Happiny Haunter Heatmor Herdier Hitmonchan Hitmontop Hoothoot Hoppip Horsea Houndour Huntail Hypno Igglybuff Illumise Ivysaur Jigglypuff Joltik Jumpluff Jynx Kabuto Kabutops Kadabra Kakuna Karrablast Kecleon Kingler Kirlia Klang Klink Klinklang Koffing Krabby Krokorok Lairon Lampent Lanturn Lapras Larvesta Larvitar Leafeon Leavanny Ledian Ledyba Lickilicky Lickitung Liepard Lileep Lillipup Litwick Lombre Lotad Loudred Lumineon Lunatone Luvdisc Luxio Luxray Machoke Machop Magby Magcargo Magikarp Magmar Magmortar Magnemite Makuhita Mandibuzz Manectric Mankey Mantine Mantyke Maractus Mareep Marill Marshtomp Masquerain Mawile Meditite Meganium Meowth Metang Metapod Mienfoo Mightyena Mime Jr. Minccino Minun Misdreavus Mothim Mr. Mime Mudkip Muk Munchlax Munna Murkrow Musharna Natu Nidoran♀ Nidoran♂ Nidorina Nidorino Nincada Ninetales Ninjask Noctowl Nosepass Numel Nuzleaf Octillery Oddish Omanyte Omastar Onix Oshawott Palpitoad Panpour Pansage Pansear Paras Parasect Patrat Pawniard Persian Petilil Phanpy Pichu Pidgeot Pidgeotto Pidgey Pidove Pignite Pikachu Piloswine Pineco Pinsir Plusle Politoed Poliwag Poliwhirl Poliwrath Ponyta Poochyena Porygon Primeape Probopass Psyduck Pupitar Purrloin Quagsire Quilava Qwilfish Raichu Ralts Rapidash Raticate Rattata Relicanth Remoraid Rhyhorn Riolu Roggenrola Roselia Rufflet Sableye Sandile Sandshrew Sandslash Sawk Sawsbuck Scolipede Scraggy Scyther Seadra Seaking Sealeo Seedot Seel Seismitoad Sentret Serperior Servine Seviper Sewaddle Sharpedo Shedinja Shelgon Shellder Shelmet Shiftry Shinx Shroomish Shuckle Shuppet Silcoon Simipour Simisage Simisear Skiploom Skitty Slakoth Slowking Slowpoke Slugma Smeargle Smoochum Sneasel Snivy Snorunt Snubbull Solosis Solrock Spearow Spheal Spinarak Spinda Spoink Squirtle Stantler Staravia Starly Staryu Steelix Stunfisk Sudowoodo Sunflora Sunkern Surskuit Swablu Swadloon Swalot Swanna Swinub Swoobat Taillow Tangela Teddiursa Tentacool Tepig Throh Timburr Tirtouga Togepi Togetic Torchic Totodile Tranquil Trapinch Treecko Tropius Trubbish Tympole Tynamo Tyrogue Unfezant Unown Vanillish Vanillite Vanilluxe Venipede Venonat Vespiquen Vibrava Victreebel Vigoroth Vileplume Volbeat Voltorb Vullaby Vulpix Wailmer Wailord Walrein Wartortle Watchdog Weedle Weepinbell Whirlipede Whiscash Whismur Wigglytuff Wingull Woobat Wooper Wormadam Plant Wormadam Sandy Wormadam Trash Wurmple Wynaut Xatu Yamask Yanma Zebstrika Zigzagoon Zorua Zubat Zweilous Where is Gartomp? fredrichnietze 1 Link to comment
suigin Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 8 minutes ago, meliodas said: Where is Gartomp? Will be postponed for the Sinnoh release in the far future. Link to comment
DarylDixon Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 On 22/9/2017 at 3:51 AM, Rigamorty said: Here are the tiers as we have them now for when the update hits. If there's anyone who sees something that we may have missed that seems offsetting let us know. Things we're currently talking about are Cloyster from UU to OU, Gigalith from OU to UU, and Darmanitan from UU to OU. OU Hide contents Aerodactyl Azumarill Bisharp Blaziken Blissey Breloom Bronzong Chandelure Chansey Conkeldurr Dragonite Dugtrio Excadrill Ferrothorn Flygon Forretress Gengar Gliscor Gyarados Haxorus Heracross Hydreigon Jellicent Kingdra Lucario Machamp Magnezone Mamoswine Medicham Metagross Milotic Pelipper Porygon-Z Reuniclus Rhyperior Salamence Scizor Skarmory Slowbro Snorlax Staraptor Starmie Swampert Togekiss Tyranitar Venusaur Volcarona Weavile Yanmega UU Reveal hidden contents Absol Alakazam Altaria Ambipom Arcanine Archeops Armaldo Beartic Bouffalant Braviary Carracosta Charizard Clefable Cloyster Cofagrigus Crobat Darmanitan Dodrio Durant Dusclops Dusknoir Electivire Emboar Espeon Feraligatr Froslass Gallade Gardevoir Gigalith Golurk Gothitelle Hariyama Hitmonlee Honchkrow Houndoom Jolteon Kangaskhan Krookodile Lilligant Linoone Ludicolo Magneton Marowak Mienshao Miltank Mismagius Nidoking Nidoqueen Porygon2 Rhydon Roserade Samurott Sceptile Scrafty Sigilyph Slaking Stoutland Swellow Tangrowth Tauros Tentacruel Torkoal Typhlosion Umbreon Ursaring Vaporeon Venomoth Weezing Whimsicott Zangoose NU Reveal hidden contents Abra Accelgor Aggron Aipom Alomomola Amoonguss Ampharos Anorith Arbok Archen Ariados Aron Audino Axew Azurill Bagon Baltoy Banette Barboach Basculin Bayleef Beautifly Beedrill Beheeyem Beldum Bellossom Bellsprout Bibarel Bidoof Blastoise Blitzle Boldore Bonsly Bronzor Budew Buizel Bulbasaur Burmy Butterfree Cacnea Cacturne Camerupt Carvanha Cascoon Castform Caterpie Charmander Charmeleon Chikorita Chimecho Chinchou Chingling Cinccino Clamperl Claydol Clefairy Cleffa Combee Combusken Corphish Corsola Cottonee Cradily Crawdaunt Croconaw Crustle Cryogonal Cubchoo Cubone Cyndaquil Darumaka Deerling Deino Delcatty Delibird Dewgong Dewott Diglett Ditto Doduo Donphan Dragonair Dratini Drifblim Drifloon Drilbur Drowzee Druddigon Ducklett Dunsparce Duosion Duskull Dustox Dwebble Eelektrik Eelektross Eevee Ekans Electabuzz Electrike Electrode Elekid Elgyem Emolga Escavalier Exeggcute Exeggutor Exploud Farfetch'd Fearow Feebas Ferroseed Finneon Flaaffy Flareon Floatzel Foongus Fraxure Frillish Furret Galvantula Garbodor Gastly Geodude Girafarig Glaceon Glalie Gligar Gloom Golbat Goldeen Golduck Golem Golett Gorebyss Gothita Gothorita Granbull Graveler Grimer Grovyle Growlithe Grumpig Gulpin Gurdurr Happiny Haunter Heatmor Herdier Hitmonchan Hitmontop Hoothoot Hoppip Horsea Houndour Huntail Hypno Igglybuff Illumise Ivysaur Jigglypuff Joltik Jumpluff Jynx Kabuto Kabutops Kadabra Kakuna Karrablast Kecleon Kingler Kirlia Klang Klink Klinklang Koffing Krabby Krokorok Lairon Lampent Lanturn Lapras Larvesta Larvitar Leafeon Leavanny Ledian Ledyba Lickilicky Lickitung Liepard Lileep Lillipup Litwick Lombre Lotad Loudred Lumineon Lunatone Luvdisc Luxio Luxray Machoke Machop Magby Magcargo Magikarp Magmar Magmortar Magnemite Makuhita Mandibuzz Manectric Mankey Mantine Mantyke Maractus Mareep Marill Marshtomp Masquerain Mawile Meditite Meganium Meowth Metang Metapod Mienfoo Mightyena Mime Jr. Minccino Minun Misdreavus Mothim Mr. Mime Mudkip Muk Munchlax Munna Murkrow Musharna Natu Nidoran♀ Nidoran♂ Nidorina Nidorino Nincada Ninetales Ninjask Noctowl Nosepass Numel Nuzleaf Octillery Oddish Omanyte Omastar Onix Oshawott Palpitoad Panpour Pansage Pansear Paras Parasect Patrat Pawniard Persian Petilil Phanpy Pichu Pidgeot Pidgeotto Pidgey Pidove Pignite Pikachu Piloswine Pineco Pinsir Plusle Politoed Poliwag Poliwhirl Poliwrath Ponyta Poochyena Porygon Primeape Probopass Psyduck Pupitar Purrloin Quagsire Quilava Qwilfish Raichu Ralts Rapidash Raticate Rattata Relicanth Remoraid Rhyhorn Riolu Roggenrola Roselia Rufflet Sableye Sandile Sandshrew Sandslash Sawk Sawsbuck Scolipede Scraggy Scyther Seadra Seaking Sealeo Seedot Seel Seismitoad Sentret Serperior Servine Seviper Sewaddle Sharpedo Shedinja Shelgon Shellder Shelmet Shiftry Shinx Shroomish Shuckle Shuppet Silcoon Simipour Simisage Simisear Skiploom Skitty Slakoth Slowking Slowpoke Slugma Smeargle Smoochum Sneasel Snivy Snorunt Snubbull Solosis Solrock Spearow Spheal Spinarak Spinda Spoink Squirtle Stantler Staravia Starly Staryu Steelix Stunfisk Sudowoodo Sunflora Sunkern Surskuit Swablu Swadloon Swalot Swanna Swinub Swoobat Taillow Tangela Teddiursa Tentacool Tepig Throh Timburr Tirtouga Togepi Togetic Torchic Totodile Tranquil Trapinch Treecko Tropius Trubbish Tympole Tynamo Tyrogue Unfezant Unown Vanillish Vanillite Vanilluxe Venipede Venonat Vespiquen Vibrava Victreebel Vigoroth Vileplume Volbeat Voltorb Vullaby Vulpix Wailmer Wailord Walrein Wartortle Watchdog Weedle Weepinbell Whirlipede Whiscash Whismur Wigglytuff Wingull Woobat Wooper Wormadam Plant Wormadam Sandy Wormadam Trash Wurmple Wynaut Xatu Yamask Yanma Zebstrika Zigzagoon Zorua Zubat Zweilous blaziken without speed boost actually is useless in ou... forretress will be replaced from ferrothorn pretty sure cloyster with shell smash + skill link will be to op for uu why mandibuzz and porygon 2 uu? axx 1 Link to comment
Kite Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 (edited) Shouldn't Porygon 2 be in OU? I mean eviolite + defensive evs and HP can make a really good wall, on top of that it'll have toxic and recover + Tri Attack for STAB and whatever coverage move the player wants as the 4th slot. Honestly is a lot better than Porygon Z. Edited October 24, 2017 by Kite Link to comment
OrangeManiac Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 30 minutes ago, Kite said: Shouldn't Porygon 2 be in OU? I mean eviolite + defensive evs and HP can make a really good wall, on top of that it'll have toxic and recover + Tri Attack for STAB and whatever coverage move the player wants as the 4th slot. Honestly is a lot better than Porygon Z. Strength wise it isn't that good. Although when usage actually becomes a thing I'm pretty sure P2 will become OU because we like reliable fat blanket walls in PokeMMO. Link to comment
Kite Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 25 minutes ago, OrangeManiac said: Strength wise it isn't that good. Although when usage actually becomes a thing I'm pretty sure P2 will become OU because we like reliable fat blanket walls in PokeMMO. Obviously Strength wise it isn't "good" considering it is more of a wall. (Though I'm sick of the TC banning things that can take care of walls, but that is a different issue all together.) Link to comment
razimove Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 2 hours ago, Kite said: Obviously Strength wise it isn't "good" considering it is more of a wall. (Though I'm sick of the TC banning things that can take care of walls, but that is a different issue all together.) Orange means overall strength, aka potential. He's good enough to be a niche pick on a few things(more than a few things tbh), but not good enough to be a thing in OU meta, considering there's fatter eviotite walls out there doing similiar jobs. Link to comment
Kite Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 15 minutes ago, redspawn said: Orange means overall strength, aka potential. He's good enough to be a niche pick on a few things(more than a few things tbh), but not good enough to be a thing in OU meta, considering there's fatter eviotite walls out there doing similiar jobs. Yeah, there is going to be Chansey, Chansey, Chansey :p Link to comment
DoubleJ Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 So why are we making hypothetical tiers that aren't based on actual usage? Wouldn't this void the basis of our entire tiering ethos? Link to comment
Senile Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 4 hours ago, DoubleJ said: So why are we making hypothetical tiers that aren't based on actual usage? Wouldn't this void the basis of our entire tiering ethos? because the sovereign overlords demanded it. If you're concerned about them staying that way, they'll go back to usage when there is usage to use. Link to comment
DoubleJ Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 57 minutes ago, Senile said: because the sovereign overlords demanded it. If you're concerned about them staying that way, they'll go back to usage when there is usage to use. Ah I see. I'm all for it since I was a big proponent of perspective tiering when Hoenn was being introduced, but it certainly seems contradictory to our past experiences. Although, I think it would be beneficial to see the tiers develop organically in a stepwise fashion, to truly reinforce our own independence from the basic Gen 5 smogon/showdown meta, especially considering our apparent differences. Devs gonna dev though. Link to comment
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