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With the update not being a distant dream anymore and several questions regarding the update being answered, perhaps this is the time to discuss what tiers of competitive could/should be implemented. With 200+ new Pokemon being added (not sure about Rotom forms or other mythic pokemons), It's probably recognised that RU will be implemented to mirror Smogons tier system.

 

However what about Smogons newly recognised official tier of singles 6v6 Monotype? Will there ever be an Anything Goes tier as to allow absolute freedom (and bring all the cancer strats to life). I can see monotype being potentially broken as the dragons run rampant during gen 5, so maybe there will need to be heavy restricting on the tier, but its definitely a competitive meta to play on showdown, I don't see why we can't bring that towards the update.

 

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This seems more like a discussion than a suggestion, moving it to comp alley.

 

I will say though, on release you will have three main tiers you currently have, OU, a temporary UU, and a temporary NU, until usage does its thing. If anything is added in the future its hard to say at this point but its likely not going to be at release.

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Not too worried about release, since people will be experimenting and the tiers will be sorted out by the council + usage during that time. This is more about later will we be expanding or is the baseline tiers of OU/UU/RU/NU all the devs/community want

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12 minutes ago, Rigamorty said:

The competitive community isn't big enough to keep trying to spread focus across even more tiers. UU and NU are already hard enough to get full brackets of, we don't need to divide the attention of competitive players even more than that.

What?? 200+ new pokemon.

We need RU

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2 hours ago, Munya said:

This seems more like a discussion than a suggestion, moving it to comp alley.

 

I will say though, on release you will have three main tiers you currently have, OU, a temporary UU, and a temporary NU, until usage does its thing. If anything is added in the future its hard to say at this point but its likely not going to be at release.

How are you planning to make anything besides OU without any usage? Also the usage from UU to form a NU tier is completely void if the UU tier wasn't made "properly", so it's not like usage would be even allowed to be doing its thing. In addition, you're gonna have to reset OU usage after every ban from OU so there's that as well and obviously on release you will have lots of things to ban or suspect test at least. Unless of course you created some new tiering system the community doesn't know about.

 

I don't think implementing a 4th tier would be out of the question. For me I think a great idea would be putting out RU as the third tier and then just wait and see whether there's a realistic chance for 4th tier (NU) based on data like how brackets fill, overall player statistics on the server and so on. Implementing OU-UU-NU kinda locks you having only three tiers and implementing 4th would be more tricky if it's ever possible.

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5 minutes ago, OrangeManiac said:

Unless of course you created some new tiering system the community doesn't know about.

Tier council got together and built the tiers personally. They're just temporary until we get actual usage/shit stops being volatile. 

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15 minutes ago, Rigamorty said:

Tier council got together and built the tiers personally. They're just temporary until we get actual usage/shit stops being volatile. 

I mean, I appreciate the work but... Don't you think it's a bit pointless for such a short time? Furthermore, since the vast majority of comp players don't even read forums actively and even fewer understand how tiering actually works then you're basically making people who want to play NU or UU start to breed and raise Pokemon for those tiers and just in a few months the tiers are completely different. Doesn't matter how wizard you are there is no way you can tell what Pokemon will realistically go in a certain tier. So if anything I think for the most part it's only teasing the lower tier players and making them do pointless work.

 

And no to mention there was a UU tier after 3 months in Hoenn and iirc that was during the time usage was gathered manually. Don't think it would take too long to get a proper UU tier by matchmaking actual usage.

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It will be chaos and that's healthy to the game, eventually things will fall into place. Just make sure you actually go and read about their checks, and who in the tier can work as one to a certain pokemon. A good example being Staraptor, check what can deal well with him, other than skarmory for example.

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14 hours ago, OrangeManiac said:

I mean, I appreciate the work but... Don't you think it's a bit pointless for such a short time? Furthermore, since the vast majority of comp players don't even read forums actively and even fewer understand how tiering actually works then you're basically making people who want to play NU or UU start to breed and raise Pokemon for those tiers and just in a few months the tiers are completely different. Doesn't matter how wizard you are there is no way you can tell what Pokemon will realistically go in a certain tier. So if anything I think for the most part it's only teasing the lower tier players and making them do pointless work.

 

And no to mention there was a UU tier after 3 months in Hoenn and iirc that was during the time usage was gathered manually. Don't think it would take too long to get a proper UU tier by matchmaking actual usage.

Not our call

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25 minutes ago, Moetal said:

I'm more interested at what is going to be banned to uber.

New approach is trying to balance mechanics for the sake of nothing being uber. We'll see how that goes. 

 

Also we've been given permission to share the tier lists we've made for community input. I'll post those in this thread when I get home from work if no one does it before then. 

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Here are the tiers as we have them now for when the update hits. If there's anyone who sees something that we may have missed that seems offsetting let us know. Things we're currently talking about are Cloyster from UU to OU, Gigalith from OU to UU, and Darmanitan from UU to OU. 

OU

Spoiler

 

Aerodactyl

Azumarill

Bisharp

Blaziken

Blissey

Breloom

Bronzong

Chandelure

Chansey

Conkeldurr

Dragonite

Dugtrio

Excadrill

Ferrothorn

Flygon

Forretress

Gengar

Gliscor

Gyarados

Haxorus

Heracross

Hydreigon

Jellicent

Kingdra

Lucario

Machamp

Magnezone

Mamoswine

Medicham

Metagross

Milotic

Pelipper

Porygon-Z

Reuniclus

Rhyperior

Salamence

Scizor

Skarmory

Slowbro

Snorlax

Staraptor

Starmie

Swampert

Togekiss

Tyranitar

Venusaur

Volcarona

Weavile

Yanmega

 

UU

Spoiler

 

Absol

Alakazam

Altaria

Ambipom

Arcanine

Archeops

Armaldo

Beartic

Bouffalant

Braviary

Carracosta

Charizard

Clefable

Cloyster

Cofagrigus

Crobat

Darmanitan

Dodrio

Durant

Dusclops

Dusknoir

Electivire

Emboar

Espeon

Feraligatr

Froslass

Gallade

Gardevoir

Gigalith

Golurk

Gothitelle

Hariyama

Hitmonlee

Honchkrow

Houndoom

Jolteon

Kangaskhan

Krookodile

Lilligant

Linoone

Ludicolo

Magneton

Marowak

Mienshao

Miltank

Mismagius

Nidoking

Nidoqueen

Porygon2

Rhydon

Roserade

Samurott

Sceptile

Scrafty

Sigilyph

Slaking

Stoutland

Swellow

Tangrowth

Tauros

Tentacruel

Torkoal

Typhlosion

Umbreon

Ursaring

Vaporeon

Venomoth

Weezing

Whimsicott

Zangoose

 

NU

Spoiler

 

Abra

Accelgor

Aggron

Aipom

Alomomola

Amoonguss

Ampharos

Anorith

Arbok

Archen

Ariados

Aron

Audino

Axew

Azurill

Bagon

Baltoy

Banette

Barboach

Basculin

Bayleef

Beautifly

Beedrill

Beheeyem

Beldum

Bellossom

Bellsprout

Bibarel

Bidoof

Blastoise

Blitzle

Boldore

Bonsly

Bronzor

Budew

Buizel

Bulbasaur

Burmy

Butterfree

Cacnea

Cacturne

Camerupt

Carvanha

Cascoon

Castform

Caterpie

Charmander

Charmeleon

Chikorita

Chimecho

Chinchou

Chingling

Cinccino

Clamperl

Claydol

Clefairy

Cleffa

Combee

Combusken

Corphish

Corsola

Cottonee

Cradily

Crawdaunt

Croconaw

Crustle

Cryogonal

Cubchoo

Cubone

Cyndaquil

Darumaka

Deerling

Deino

Delcatty

Delibird

Dewgong

Dewott

Diglett

Ditto

Doduo

Donphan

Dragonair

Dratini

Drifblim

Drifloon

Drilbur

Drowzee

Druddigon

Ducklett

Dunsparce

Duosion

Duskull

Dustox

Dwebble

Eelektrik

Eelektross

Eevee

Ekans

Electabuzz

Electrike

Electrode

Elekid

Elgyem

Emolga

Escavalier

Exeggcute

Exeggutor

Exploud

Farfetch'd

Fearow

Feebas

Ferroseed

Finneon

Flaaffy

Flareon

Floatzel

Foongus

Fraxure

Frillish

Furret

Galvantula

Garbodor

Gastly

Geodude

Girafarig

Glaceon

Glalie

Gligar

Gloom

Golbat

Goldeen

Golduck

Golem

Golett

Gorebyss

Gothita

Gothorita

Granbull

Graveler

Grimer

Grovyle

Growlithe

Grumpig

Gulpin

Gurdurr

Happiny

Haunter

Heatmor

Herdier

Hitmonchan

Hitmontop

Hoothoot

Hoppip

Horsea

Houndour

Huntail

Hypno

Igglybuff

Illumise

Ivysaur

Jigglypuff

Joltik

Jumpluff

Jynx

Kabuto

Kabutops

Kadabra

Kakuna

Karrablast

Kecleon

Kingler

Kirlia

Klang

Klink

Klinklang

Koffing

Krabby

Krokorok

Lairon

Lampent

Lanturn

Lapras

Larvesta

Larvitar

Leafeon

Leavanny

Ledian

Ledyba

Lickilicky

Lickitung

Liepard

Lileep

Lillipup

Litwick

Lombre

Lotad

Loudred

Lumineon

Lunatone

Luvdisc

Luxio

Luxray

Machoke

Machop

Magby

Magcargo

Magikarp

Magmar

Magmortar

Magnemite

Makuhita

Mandibuzz

Manectric

Mankey

Mantine

Mantyke

Maractus

Mareep

Marill

Marshtomp

Masquerain

Mawile

Meditite

Meganium

Meowth

Metang

Metapod

Mienfoo

Mightyena

Mime Jr.

Minccino

Minun

Misdreavus

Mothim

Mr. Mime

Mudkip

Muk

Munchlax

Munna

Murkrow

Musharna

Natu

Nidoran♀

Nidoran♂

Nidorina

Nidorino

Nincada

Ninetales

Ninjask

Noctowl

Nosepass

Numel

Nuzleaf

Octillery

Oddish

Omanyte

Omastar

Onix

Oshawott

Palpitoad

Panpour

Pansage

Pansear

Paras

Parasect

Patrat

Pawniard

Persian

Petilil

Phanpy

Pichu

Pidgeot

Pidgeotto

Pidgey

Pidove

Pignite

Pikachu

Piloswine

Pineco

Pinsir

Plusle

Politoed

Poliwag

Poliwhirl

Poliwrath

Ponyta

Poochyena

Porygon

Primeape

Probopass

Psyduck

Pupitar

Purrloin

Quagsire

Quilava

Qwilfish

Raichu

Ralts

Rapidash

Raticate

Rattata

Relicanth

Remoraid

Rhyhorn

Riolu

Roggenrola

Roselia

Rufflet

Sableye

Sandile

Sandshrew

Sandslash

Sawk

Sawsbuck

Scolipede

Scraggy

Scyther

Seadra

Seaking

Sealeo

Seedot

Seel

Seismitoad

Sentret

Serperior

Servine

Seviper

Sewaddle

Sharpedo

Shedinja

Shelgon

Shellder

Shelmet

Shiftry

Shinx

Shroomish

Shuckle

Shuppet

Silcoon

Simipour

Simisage

Simisear

Skiploom

Skitty

Slakoth

Slowking

Slowpoke

Slugma

Smeargle

Smoochum

Sneasel

Snivy

Snorunt

Snubbull

Solosis

Solrock

Spearow

Spheal

Spinarak

Spinda

Spoink

Squirtle

Stantler

Staravia

Starly

Staryu

Steelix

Stunfisk

Sudowoodo

Sunflora

Sunkern

Surskuit

Swablu

Swadloon

Swalot

Swanna

Swinub

Swoobat

Taillow

Tangela

Teddiursa

Tentacool

Tepig

Throh

Timburr

Tirtouga

Togepi

Togetic

Torchic

Totodile

Tranquil

Trapinch

Treecko

Tropius

Trubbish

Tympole

Tynamo

Tyrogue

Unfezant

Unown

Vanillish

Vanillite

Vanilluxe

Venipede

Venonat

Vespiquen

Vibrava

Victreebel

Vigoroth

Vileplume

Volbeat

Voltorb

Vullaby

Vulpix

Wailmer

Wailord

Walrein

Wartortle

Watchdog

Weedle

Weepinbell

Whirlipede

Whiscash

Whismur

Wigglytuff

Wingull

Woobat

Wooper

Wormadam Plant

Wormadam Sandy

Wormadam Trash

Wurmple

Wynaut

Xatu

Yamask

Yanma

Zebstrika

Zigzagoon

Zorua

Zubat

Zweilous

 

 

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32 minutes ago, Rigamorty said:

Here are the tiers as we have them now for when the update hits. If there's anyone who sees something that we may have missed that seems offsetting let us know. Things we're currently talking about are Cloyster from UU to OU, Gigalith from OU to UU, and Darmanitan from UU to OU. 

OU

  Reveal hidden contents

 

Aerodactyl

Azumarill

Bisharp

Blaziken

Blissey

Breloom

Bronzong

Chandelure

Chansey

Conkeldurr

Dragonite

Dugtrio

Excadrill

Ferrothorn

Flygon

Forretress

Gengar

Gliscor

Gyarados

Haxorus

Heracross

Hydreigon

Jellicent

Kingdra

Lucario

Machamp

Magnezone

Mamoswine

Medicham

Metagross

Milotic

Pelipper

Porygon-Z

Reuniclus

Rhyperior

Salamence

Scizor

Skarmory

Slowbro

Snorlax

Staraptor

Starmie

Swampert

Togekiss

Tyranitar

Venusaur

Volcarona

Weavile

Yanmega

 

UU

  Reveal hidden contents

 

Absol

Alakazam

Altaria

Ambipom

Arcanine

Archeops

Armaldo

Beartic

Bouffalant

Braviary

Carracosta

Charizard

Clefable

Cloyster

Cofagrigus

Crobat

Darmanitan

Dodrio

Durant

Dusclops

Dusknoir

Electivire

Emboar

Espeon

Feraligatr

Froslass

Gallade

Gardevoir

Gigalith

Golurk

Gothitelle

Hariyama

Hitmonlee

Honchkrow

Houndoom

Jolteon

Kangaskhan

Krookodile

Lilligant

Linoone

Ludicolo

Magneton

Marowak

Mienshao

Miltank

Mismagius

Nidoking

Nidoqueen

Porygon2

Rhydon

Roserade

Samurott

Sceptile

Scrafty

Sigilyph

Slaking

Stoutland

Swellow

Tangrowth

Tauros

Tentacruel

Torkoal

Typhlosion

Umbreon

Ursaring

Vaporeon

Venomoth

Weezing

Whimsicott

Zangoose

 

NU

  Reveal hidden contents

 

Abra

Accelgor

Aggron

Aipom

Alomomola

Amoonguss

Ampharos

Anorith

Arbok

Archen

Ariados

Aron

Audino

Axew

Azurill

Bagon

Baltoy

Banette

Barboach

Basculin

Bayleef

Beautifly

Beedrill

Beheeyem

Beldum

Bellossom

Bellsprout

Bibarel

Bidoof

Blastoise

Blitzle

Boldore

Bonsly

Bronzor

Budew

Buizel

Bulbasaur

Burmy

Butterfree

Cacnea

Cacturne

Camerupt

Carvanha

Cascoon

Castform

Caterpie

Charmander

Charmeleon

Chikorita

Chimecho

Chinchou

Chingling

Cinccino

Clamperl

Claydol

Clefairy

Cleffa

Combee

Combusken

Corphish

Corsola

Cottonee

Cradily

Crawdaunt

Croconaw

Crustle

Cryogonal

Cubchoo

Cubone

Cyndaquil

Darumaka

Deerling

Deino

Delcatty

Delibird

Dewgong

Dewott

Diglett

Ditto

Doduo

Donphan

Dragonair

Dratini

Drifblim

Drifloon

Drilbur

Drowzee

Druddigon

Ducklett

Dunsparce

Duosion

Duskull

Dustox

Dwebble

Eelektrik

Eelektross

Eevee

Ekans

Electabuzz

Electrike

Electrode

Elekid

Elgyem

Emolga

Escavalier

Exeggcute

Exeggutor

Exploud

Farfetch'd

Fearow

Feebas

Ferroseed

Finneon

Flaaffy

Flareon

Floatzel

Foongus

Fraxure

Frillish

Furret

Galvantula

Garbodor

Gastly

Geodude

Girafarig

Glaceon

Glalie

Gligar

Gloom

Golbat

Goldeen

Golduck

Golem

Golett

Gorebyss

Gothita

Gothorita

Granbull

Graveler

Grimer

Grovyle

Growlithe

Grumpig

Gulpin

Gurdurr

Happiny

Haunter

Heatmor

Herdier

Hitmonchan

Hitmontop

Hoothoot

Hoppip

Horsea

Houndour

Huntail

Hypno

Igglybuff

Illumise

Ivysaur

Jigglypuff

Joltik

Jumpluff

Jynx

Kabuto

Kabutops

Kadabra

Kakuna

Karrablast

Kecleon

Kingler

Kirlia

Klang

Klink

Klinklang

Koffing

Krabby

Krokorok

Lairon

Lampent

Lanturn

Lapras

Larvesta

Larvitar

Leafeon

Leavanny

Ledian

Ledyba

Lickilicky

Lickitung

Liepard

Lileep

Lillipup

Litwick

Lombre

Lotad

Loudred

Lumineon

Lunatone

Luvdisc

Luxio

Luxray

Machoke

Machop

Magby

Magcargo

Magikarp

Magmar

Magmortar

Magnemite

Makuhita

Mandibuzz

Manectric

Mankey

Mantine

Mantyke

Maractus

Mareep

Marill

Marshtomp

Masquerain

Mawile

Meditite

Meganium

Meowth

Metang

Metapod

Mienfoo

Mightyena

Mime Jr.

Minccino

Minun

Misdreavus

Mothim

Mr. Mime

Mudkip

Muk

Munchlax

Munna

Murkrow

Musharna

Natu

Nidoran♀

Nidoran♂

Nidorina

Nidorino

Nincada

Ninetales

Ninjask

Noctowl

Nosepass

Numel

Nuzleaf

Octillery

Oddish

Omanyte

Omastar

Onix

Oshawott

Palpitoad

Panpour

Pansage

Pansear

Paras

Parasect

Patrat

Pawniard

Persian

Petilil

Phanpy

Pichu

Pidgeot

Pidgeotto

Pidgey

Pidove

Pignite

Pikachu

Piloswine

Pineco

Pinsir

Plusle

Politoed

Poliwag

Poliwhirl

Poliwrath

Ponyta

Poochyena

Porygon

Primeape

Probopass

Psyduck

Pupitar

Purrloin

Quagsire

Quilava

Qwilfish

Raichu

Ralts

Rapidash

Raticate

Rattata

Relicanth

Remoraid

Rhyhorn

Riolu

Roggenrola

Roselia

Rufflet

Sableye

Sandile

Sandshrew

Sandslash

Sawk

Sawsbuck

Scolipede

Scraggy

Scyther

Seadra

Seaking

Sealeo

Seedot

Seel

Seismitoad

Sentret

Serperior

Servine

Seviper

Sewaddle

Sharpedo

Shedinja

Shelgon

Shellder

Shelmet

Shiftry

Shinx

Shroomish

Shuckle

Shuppet

Silcoon

Simipour

Simisage

Simisear

Skiploom

Skitty

Slakoth

Slowking

Slowpoke

Slugma

Smeargle

Smoochum

Sneasel

Snivy

Snorunt

Snubbull

Solosis

Solrock

Spearow

Spheal

Spinarak

Spinda

Spoink

Squirtle

Stantler

Staravia

Starly

Staryu

Steelix

Stunfisk

Sudowoodo

Sunflora

Sunkern

Surskuit

Swablu

Swadloon

Swalot

Swanna

Swinub

Swoobat

Taillow

Tangela

Teddiursa

Tentacool

Tepig

Throh

Timburr

Tirtouga

Togepi

Togetic

Torchic

Totodile

Tranquil

Trapinch

Treecko

Tropius

Trubbish

Tympole

Tynamo

Tyrogue

Unfezant

Unown

Vanillish

Vanillite

Vanilluxe

Venipede

Venonat

Vespiquen

Vibrava

Victreebel

Vigoroth

Vileplume

Volbeat

Voltorb

Vullaby

Vulpix

Wailmer

Wailord

Walrein

Wartortle

Watchdog

Weedle

Weepinbell

Whirlipede

Whiscash

Whismur

Wigglytuff

Wingull

Woobat

Wooper

Wormadam Plant

Wormadam Sandy

Wormadam Trash

Wurmple

Wynaut

Xatu

Yamask

Yanma

Zebstrika

Zigzagoon

Zorua

Zubat

Zweilous

 

 

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