DoubleJ Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 3 minutes ago, pachima said: charizard in UU, lmao. Was OP times Link to comment
LifeStyle Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 3 minutes ago, Artemiseta said: Thought NU could Handel it when it initially dropped I believe at the time both hitmontop and poliwrath were NU and tangela was much more prevent in the meta and so could be more reliably checked and eventually revenge killed (forget the other mon I used to check it at the time) omastar if you look has about the same stats as gorebyss. It has more health by 15 and 15 more defense 1 more special attack as 3 more speed 5 less sp def. in addition Gor has less weaknesses like ground and fighting and no x4 weakness in grass while still having electric Gor is stilling at a whopping 1.06% usage so imo at least it deserves a test Pls Omastar offensively is way superior to Gore, it has more weaknesses but iirc ground/fight types arent really seen much in NU and it has better setup opportunity vs normal spam. Theres also the fact Omastar can perform more roles like being a bulky spiker in a tier where we lack decent spinners and all of them just get shredded by a stab surf except maybe sp def hitmonchan or something, which is not really worth running outside of spinning vs omastar. And Poliwrath really cant switch vs stab returns that well, it sure wouldnt be my 1st option to try stopping bull. Sashaolin and pachima 2 Link to comment
DiDi Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 i see the almighty ledian has people questioning TC Link to comment
pachima Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 I see didi wins an official with ledian, and acts all full of himself because of it. Link to comment
NikhilR Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 Just now, DoubleJ said: Was OP times Good times indeed :) DoubleJ 1 Link to comment
KaynineXL Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, LifeStyle said: Pls Omastar offensively is way superior to Gore, it has more weaknesses but iirc ground/fight types arent really seen much in NU and it has better setup opportunity vs normal spam. Theres also the fact Omastar can perform more roles like being a bulky spiker in a tier where we lack decent spinners and all of them just get shredded by a stab surf except maybe sp def hitmonchan or something, which is not really worth running outside of spinning vs omastar. And Poliwrath really cant switch vs stab returns that well, it sure wouldnt be my 1st option to try stopping bull. The x4 to grass is a point worth mentioning. Gorebyss can take a giga with plenty of orb recoils to spare whereas Oma will get ohko'd. A healthy calm Roselia(I think the most type set?) will revenge an Oma sweep or could come in while it rains whereas Gorebyss could beat it. Of course, the more concerning part of Oma is probably because you don't know the set until it's possibly too late. You risk going to something like Hypno to stall rain and then end up having a wall Oma stack spikes against you. I do think it's worthwhile testing it though because in NU its piece of cake to spike anyway and the spinners are all ass. Can Roselia spike up just as easy as Oma? Sure it can, Roselia has many easy switches. And heck, Roselia even has 100 BP sp atk with 2 good stabs which can hurt if it felt like going modest 252 sp atk, just like Oma. We just had 2 normal resists come down, along with Solrock which is still fairly popular. Granbul has just been banned. That should really put normal spam on a steep decline in NU. I'm looking through the NU list and not really seeing too many switches for Oma really, like, its best switch would be something like Fearow which sounds dog shit right now unless the tier turns into full offense in which case it would prove to be useful. All in all, I still think Roselia is the more useful spiker. Omastar is a monster offensive threat though, if anything that's going to decide if its ban worthy or not. (btw, not really a quote to you, just adding on to what you say) Edited September 6, 2017 by KaynineXL Link to comment
DoubleJ Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 Honest difference between Oma and Gorebyss is this: Oma has more set up opportunities due to more resistances to common physical attackers. It's also faster and at times doesn't even need the rain. Link to comment
suigin Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 14 hours ago, Gunthug said: I know we've probably had this argument before (though maybe that was with lion) but what would you propose as an alternative to the method used by every single legitimate competitive Pokemon community in history? tier dictatorship Link to comment
LifeStyle Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 8 hours ago, KaynineXL said: The x4 to grass is a point worth mentioning. Gorebyss can take a giga with plenty of orb recoils to spare whereas Oma will get ohko'd. A healthy calm Roselia(I think the most type set?) will revenge an Oma sweep or could come in while it rains whereas Gorebyss could beat it. Of course, the more concerning part of Oma is probably because you don't know the set until it's possibly too late. You risk going to something like Hypno to stall rain and then end up having a wall Oma stack spikes against you. I do think it's worthwhile testing it though because in NU its piece of cake to spike anyway and the spinners are all ass. Can Roselia spike up just as easy as Oma? Sure it can, Roselia has many easy switches. And heck, Roselia even has 100 BP sp atk with 2 good stabs which can hurt if it felt like going modest 252 sp atk, just like Oma. We just had 2 normal resists come down, along with Solrock which is still fairly popular. Granbul has just been banned. That should really put normal spam on a steep decline in NU. I'm looking through the NU list and not really seeing too many switches for Oma really, like, its best switch would be something like Fearow which sounds dog shit right now unless the tier turns into full offense in which case it would prove to be useful. All in all, I still think Roselia is the more useful spiker. Omastar is a monster offensive threat though, if anything that's going to decide if its ban worthy or not. (btw, not really a quote to you, just adding on to what you say) KaynineXL and pachima 1 1 Link to comment
Gunthug Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 The people uguuing about usage based tiering would be the exact same people who would rip the tier council for most of their decisions. Ironically, usage based tiering takes a lot of the guesswork out of TCs job. We'd have a LOT more decisions to make without it. Regardless of all that hypocrisy, it's not up for discussion. Usage based tiering is the gold standard and were not stupid enough to throw that away because some angry kid shitposted in general discussion DaftCoolio, SweeTforU, LuisPocho and 2 others 5 Link to comment
pachima Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 18 hours ago, KaynineXL said: The x4 to grass is a point worth mentioning. Gorebyss can take a giga with plenty of orb recoils to spare whereas Oma will get ohko'd. 2 0 SpA Bellossom Giga Drain vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Gorebyss: 102-120 (78.4 - 92.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO 0 SpA Roselia Giga Drain vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Gorebyss: 108-128 (83 - 98.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO Unless gorebyss is hp invested, its meh. Link to comment
KaynineXL Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 3 hours ago, pachima said: 0 SpA Bellossom Giga Drain vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Gorebyss: 102-120 (78.4 - 92.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO 0 SpA Roselia Giga Drain vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Gorebyss: 108-128 (83 - 98.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO Unless gorebyss is hp invested, its meh. I think people run a bunch of hp evs on gorebyss, at least I do. I can't remember the reasons, too long ago since I made it. Link to comment
Gunthug Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 4 minutes ago, KaynineXL said: I think people run a bunch of hp evs on gorebyss, at least I do. I can't remember the reasons, too long ago since I made it. that was my first thought when I saw his calcs. My guess is gore doesn't need that much speed to outspeed all relevant threats at +2 KaynineXL 1 Link to comment
KaynineXL Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 Just now, Gunthug said: that was my first thought when I saw his calcs. My guess is gore doesn't need that much speed to outspeed all relevant threats at +2 Yep, they probably do the same on Oma I guess. I invest a good 114 hp evs into my Gorebyss Link to comment
LuisPocho Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 Some people talk about usage like if it was totally unrelated with players and metagame. Link to comment
LifeStyle Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 11 hours ago, Gunthug said: that was my first thought when I saw his calcs. My guess is gore doesn't need that much speed to outspeed all relevant threats at +2 yeah it defo shouldn't be worried about anything scarf'd, especially in NU ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) pachima 1 Link to comment
Gunthug Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 3 hours ago, LifeStyle said: yeah it defo shouldn't be worried about anything scarf'd, especially in NU ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) Ever Link to comment
gbwead Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 252+ SpA Life Orb Omastar Ice Beam vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Lombre: 65-77 (38.9 - 46.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery @LifeStyle, you come bad you go bad. Omastar is getting tested right now, but there is a very strong chance that it will get banned next month. There is no need to panic. Link to comment
LifeStyle Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 1 minute ago, gbwead said: 252+ SpA Life Orb Omastar Ice Beam vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Lombre: 65-77 (38.9 - 46.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery @LifeStyle, you come bad you go bad. Omastar is getting tested right now, but there is a very strong chance that it will get banned next month. There is no need to panic. are you serious what you are talking gbwead 1 Link to comment
xStarr Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, gbwead said: 252+ SpA Life Orb Omastar Ice Beam vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Lombre: 65-77 (38.9 - 46.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery @LifeStyle, you come bad you go bad. Omastar is getting tested right now, but there is a very strong chance that it will get banned next month. There is no need to panic. Reminds me of Tor when he had an idea to make a Lombre Edited September 7, 2017 by xStarr Link to comment
Munya Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 If you guys would like to discuss Omastar, please do so in the appropriate section, the NU tier discussion thread will work in this case. Since that is all this thread seem to be about now, closing. Zehkar 1 Link to comment
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