Kaerodactyl Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 Hey, I was wondering what is the TC utility since Tiers are apparently based on dumb usage. thanks for your answers DaftCoolio 1 Link to comment
Raederz Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Kaerodactyl said: Hey, I was wondering what is the TC utility since Tiers are apparently based on dumb usage. thanks for your answers discussion are based on usage, and then tiers determined. (mabe some usage may auto-ban mons, but some may be moved without having the certain usage) Edited September 4, 2017 by Raederz Link to comment
KaynineXL Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 I guess you're only making this thread because you're upset about a decision.. So why not just jump into that and let us all know what's the real problem. If you really don't know, then here's the thread that will tell you all about it DaftCoolio, WildHodor, Kizhaz and 3 others 6 Link to comment
Eggplant Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 (edited) did you see the part where granbull is BL2? that's not usage that's what they're for and i mean the tier is literally called 'under used' so it is literally based on usage because it's in the fuckin nameeeeee Edited September 4, 2017 by Eggplant Munya and Flavawhat 2 Link to comment
RysPicz Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 Ayyyy found my meme! Bishav, Kyokatsu, Takens and 10 others 13 Link to comment
fredrichnietze Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 when i was tier council the best thing i did was stop the vileplume discussion dead with a single post. Link to comment
notmudkip0 Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 Just now, fredrichnietze said: when i was tier council the best thing i did was stop the vileplume discussion dead with a single post. What is this post you speak of Link to comment
fredrichnietze Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 Just now, notmudkip0 said: What is this post you speak of i have 10k+ post good luck finding it but the gyst was "vileplume + steelix + bulky water core is hard to break. almost nothing can beat the core heads on. however we ban pokemon not teams. something something pandoras box of endless possible discussion threads. vileplume has coutners x y and z and is not uber. other factors dont matter. who ever thought up this core was smart" Link to comment
Gunthug Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 This is sad. At least the old TC bashers complained about things the TC actually did. I guess when you get so butthurt that it prompts you to shitpost in general discussion, logic kind of gets thrown out the window though Suneet, DoubleJ and SirAlbert 3 Link to comment
DoubleJ Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 10 minutes ago, Gunthug said: This is sad. At least the old TC bashers complained about things the TC actually did. I guess when you get so butthurt that it prompts you to shitpost in general discussion, logic kind of gets thrown out the window though Ban the tier council for disrespect. Link to comment
Flavawhat Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 the tier who ?? DaftCoolio 1 Link to comment
Darkshade Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 10 hours ago, Kaerodactyl said: Hey, I was wondering what is the TC utility since Tiers are apparently based on dumb usage. Oh no, not statistics! But the Tier Councils primary role is to assess the usage provided to them, and help make decisions as to when a particular species may be too much for areas of PvP. They also help out in cases where we need to find a fitting spot for a 'mon prior to implementation (Such as right now, with the whole of Gen 5). Link to comment
Takens Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 6 hours ago, RysPicz said: Ayyyy found my meme! I gotta admit i love this meme. Link to comment
RysPicz Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 3 hours ago, Takens said: I gotta admit i love this meme. Honestly the meme is hardly related. If you ask me, the problem is not with the council, not at all. The problem is with tiering system (usage- based) but I feel like I already complained about how bad it is multiple times in the past and nothing has changed so I see of no meaning to do it again Link to comment
Takens Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 9 hours ago, RysPicz said: Honestly the meme is hardly related. If you ask me, the problem is not with the council, not at all. The problem is with tiering system (usage- based) but I feel like I already complained about how bad it is multiple times in the past and nothing has changed so I see of no meaning to do it again Some usage bans can get pretty dumb. I know TC are trying to make the game better, but banning for usage doesn't seem like it's a good choice anymore. Kaerodactyl 1 Link to comment
Gunthug Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 8 hours ago, RysPicz said: Honestly the meme is hardly related. If you ask me, the problem is not with the council, not at all. The problem is with tiering system (usage- based) but I feel like I already complained about how bad it is multiple times in the past and nothing has changed so I see of no meaning to do it again I know we've probably had this argument before (though maybe that was with lion) but what would you propose as an alternative to the method used by every single legitimate competitive Pokemon community in history? Link to comment
LifeStyle Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 I don't think usage-based moves are bad, I mean that's like the whole point of having tiers. Just don't agree with letting some things move down for a test while keeping other stuff in BL without giving it a try. (Like not thinking Granbull/Omastar is too OP in NU but then not letting Rhydon/Feraligatr have a try in UU) Torinnnnn 1 Link to comment
Telf Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 19 hours ago, Eggplant said: did you see the part where granbull is BL2? that's not usage that's what they're for and i mean the tier is literally called 'under used' so it is literally based on usage because it's in the fuckin nameeeeee i thought you were dead Takens 1 Link to comment
Takens Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 2 hours ago, Gunthug said: I know we've probably had this argument before (though maybe that was with lion) but what would you propose as an alternative to the method used by every single legitimate competitive Pokemon community in history? Just ban broken pokes not by usage i mean i respect the chansey ban there's more variety in OU, but by using that method it doesn't come always right, for example good ban on Gbull but omastar and steelix in NU? Nah brah you are just fixing and making more mistakes. Now it would be nice from the Tier council to make a thread asking all the players what method they think should work as a replacement for the usage ban. Link to comment
Artemiseta Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 8 hours ago, LifeStyle said: I don't think usage-based moves are bad, I mean that's like the whole point of having tiers. Just don't agree with letting some things move down for a test while keeping other stuff in BL without giving it a try. (Like not thinking Granbull/Omastar is too OP in NU but then not letting Rhydon/Feraligatr have a try in UU) Do not use rhydon as an example it was tested it was broken to such a degree at its hard to imagine and put into words the calcs are mind boggling literally nothing can switch in @BurntZebra or @DoubleJ can confirm this still think we were right to ban Zard first tho zebra as for feraligatr it is a bigger bulkier crawdaunt with better speed tier, sets and doesn't not carry the drawback of dark typing to be revenge killed by Mach punch DoubleJ 1 Link to comment
BurntZebra Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 2 minutes ago, Artemiseta said: Do not use rhydon as an example it was tested it was broken to such a degree at its hard to imagine and put into words the calcs are mind boggling literally nothing can switch in @BurntZebra or @DoubleJ can confirm this still think we were right to ban Zard first tho zebra as for feraligatr it is a bigger bulkier crawdaunt with better speed tier, sets and doesn't not carry the drawback of dark typing to be revenge killed by Mach punch Rhydon more banworthy than charizard obv. JJ ultra bias supreme. Not banning rhydon after its been dominating UU for a month, gotta preserve that "meta" DoubleJ 1 Link to comment
Artemiseta Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 (edited) Plz u just didn't type in which one first obvously both had to go. 10/10 think u guys in ou at the time we're dealing with lax still we were on our own at that point jj and I did our best and were right in the end inb4 bring back Zard to UU as well lol edit @BurntZebra head is flooded too much school kids... I hate lockers what else was there for gartr I know I missed something Edited September 5, 2017 by Artemiseta Zebra DoubleJ 1 Link to comment
LifeStyle Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 6 minutes ago, Artemiseta said: Do not use rhydon as an example it was tested it was broken to such a degree at its hard to imagine and put into words the calcs are mind boggling literally nothing can switch in @BurntZebra or @DoubleJ can confirm this still think we were right to ban Zard first tho zebra as for feraligatr it is a bigger bulkier crawdaunt with better speed tier, sets and doesn't not carry the drawback of dark typing to be revenge killed by Mach punch I agree that Rhydon is too OP for UU, not 100% convinced on Fera but yes I believe it could be broken too. Just saying I feel a bad precedent is set when you just point a finger at Fera and say "OMG MEGA BROKEN NOT EVEN WORTH TESTING" but then turning your heads the other way at stuff like Granbull or Omastar dropping tiers. DoubleJ 1 Link to comment
Artemiseta Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 1 minute ago, LifeStyle said: I agree that Rhydon is too OP for UU, not 100% convinced on Fera but yes I believe it could be broken too. Just saying I feel a bad precedent is set when you just point a finger at Fera and say "OMG MEGA BROKEN NOT EVEN WORTH TESTING" but then turning your heads the other way at stuff like Granbull or Omastar dropping tiers. Thought NU could Handel it when it initially dropped I believe at the time both hitmontop and poliwrath were NU and tangela was much more prevent in the meta and so could be more reliably checked and eventually revenge killed (forget the other mon I used to check it at the time) omastar if you look has about the same stats as gorebyss. It has more health by 15 and 15 more defense 1 more special attack as 3 more speed 5 less sp def. in addition Gor has less weaknesses like ground and fighting and no x4 weakness in grass while still having electric Gor is stilling at a whopping 1.06% usage so imo at least it deserves a test Link to comment
pachima Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 charizard in UU, lmao. DoubleJ 1 Link to comment
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