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Just now, Gunthug said:

Think you're referring to soccer, not football. Football has playoffs

 

(Jokes aside I don't think eliminating our playoffs is that bad of an idea)

Yes, that. Playoffs are just a hype killer honestly, just look at this season. It just extends it too much,  and it may start feeling like a chore for a lot of people. Eliminating playoffs would fix that, could maybe add more teams aswell, idk. 

6-7 weeks for a season is enough imo.

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Playoffs/finals need to be set up in a team tournament type of way because sitting around waiting a week for matches to happen like this is boring and stupid. 

 

Problem with that is getting everyone online all at once is kinda hard. 

 

Problem with just saying winner of the round robin wins the whole thing is that a lot of teams lose a chance at the #1 spot early on, so the hype would just die way faster. 

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2 minutes ago, Rigamorty said:

Playoffs/finals need to be set up in a team tournament type of way because sitting around waiting a week for matches to happen like this is boring and stupid. 

 

Problem with that is getting everyone online all at once is kinda hard. 

 

Problem with just saying winner of the round robin wins the whole thing is that a lot of teams lose a chance at the #1 spot early on, so the hype would just die way faster. 

Along with this last point, teams that have no chance of winning it all are clearly identified by week 5. The shit teams will give up, hype will die, and the records will be skewed.

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1 hour ago, DoubleJ said:

Along with this last point, teams that have no chance of winning it all are clearly identified by week 5. The shit teams will give up, hype will die, and the records will be skewed.

I had an idea that might be able to fix this huge issue that kills the hype every season. Instead of having 6 teams going to playoffs, all 8 teams would be going. However, the odds of a team going further in the playoff bracket would be directly affected by how they placed during regular season. Assuming we keep the current playoff system where the best team faces the worst team and assuming we have 10 tiers, the first ranked team would have a 3 wins lead on the eighth ranked team during the quarter-finals. For instance, here is what the quarterfinals would look like at the begining of the week:

 

Spoiler

Schwifty Shiftrys (0) vs The Boosted Monkeys (3)
The Gain Train (0) vs The Flocking Buzzwoles (2)

The Hungry Salamences (0) vs The Driftveil Dragonites (1)

The Brave Blazikens (0) vs The Machoke Artists (0)

Schwifty would have to forfeit in 3 tiers, Gain Train would have to forfeit 2 tiers and Salamences would have to forfeit 1 tier.  Forfeiting means that you simply give up on the win in a specific tier. If your roster sucks in UU and the opposing roster looks great in UU, that's the tier that you would just give up on. This also means that Monkeys only need to win 3 out of the 7 remaining tiers while Schwifty Shiftrys need to win 6 out of the 7 remaining tiers. It might seem like a huge advantage to some to have a 3 wins headstart in a week, but it is actually a huge nerf compared to what we have now where the first team is already qualified for semi-finals. 

 

The regular season would get better because every single team would have to fight to improve how they placed. Even the team being last would have a big incentive to keep fighting. The PSL season as a whole would also not last any longer than now.

 

 

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1 hour ago, BlackJovi said:

Yes, that. Playoffs are just a hype killer honestly, just look at this season. It just extends it too much,  and it may start feeling like a chore for a lot of people. Eliminating playoffs would fix that, could maybe add more teams aswell, idk. 

6-7 weeks for a season is enough imo.

Wont the hype just die much faster if by week3 some teams are like "oh well we tried, looks like we aint getting 1st place so fuck playing the rest of the weeks"

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1 hour ago, Rigamorty said:

Problem with just saying winner of the round robin wins the whole thing is that a lot of teams lose a chance at the #1 spot early on, so the hype would just die way faster. 

 

maybe, make a point system that allow teams to get a LOT of points with a super splendid victory, so we give teams more chances to be first even when the point differences is high. For example, lets say every single match won by your team gives the team 1 point and winning the whole week gives you 3 extra points... 1 extra point tie

so if one team wins 5-3 gets 8 points and the one that lose gets 3 points
while winning 8-0 gives you 11 points for winner and 0 points for the loser

with my system week 5 of psl 9 would had the following numbers for this four teams:

 

Boosted Monkey 9 + 2 + (5+5+4+6+4) = 35 (max 57 points by week 7)

Flocking Buzzwoles 6 + 1 + (5+5+3+2+4) = 26 (max 48)

Gain Train 3 + 1 + (2+4+5+3+3) = 21 (max 43)

Schwifty Shiftrys 0 + 1 + (3+1+4+2+1) = 12 (max 34)


Only schwifty would have 0 posibilityes to get 1st (with normal system 3 or 4 teams would be already out of 1st position competition by week 5)... and in theory, every match would be super important from week 1, not so many 7-1. MORE HYPE 

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4 minutes ago, LuisPocho said:

 

maybe, make a point system that allow teams to get a LOT of points with a super splendid victory, so we give teams more chances to be first even when the point differences is high. For example, lets say every single match won by your team gives the team 1 point and winning the whole week gives you 3 extra points... 1 extra point tie

so if one team wins 5-3 gets 8 points and the one that lose gets 3 points
while winning 8-0 gives you 11 points for winner and 0 points for the loser

with my system week 5 of psl 9 would had the following numbers for this four teams:

 

Boosted Monkey 9 + 2 + (5+5+4+6+4) = 35 (max 57 points by week 7)

Flocking Buzzwoles 6 + 1 + (5+5+3+2+4) = 26 (max 48)

Gain Train 3 + 1 + (2+4+5+3+3) = 21 (max 43)

Schwifty Shiftrys 0 + 1 + (3+1+4+2+1) = 12 (max 34)


Only schwifty would have 0 posibilityes to get 1st (with normal system 3 or 4 teams would be already out of 1st position competition by week 5)... and in theory, every match would be super important from week 1, not so many 7-1. MORE HYPE 

You're not taking into account that not every team can get 0 points each week, like say in that situation monkeys and buzzwoles still had to play each other, one of those teams is getting at least 5 more points, meaning that the second worst teams only chance of catching up is those teams tying, then monkeys getting at least 6-2'd, and then gain train winning every single match, able to lose 1-2 depending on if monkeys get 7-1'd or 8-0'd

 

Realistically in a situation like that, you'll just consider it impossible and there won't be a whole lot of effort or hype left. 

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10 minutes ago, Rigamorty said:

You're not taking into account that not every team can get 0 points each week, like say in that situation monkeys and buzzwoles still had to play each other, one of those teams is getting at least 5 more points, meaning that the second worst teams only chance of catching up is those teams tying, then monkeys getting at least 6-2'd, and then gain train winning every single match, able to lose 1-2 depending on if monkeys get 7-1'd or 8-0'd

 

Realistically in a situation like that, you'll just consider it impossible and there won't be a whole lot of effort or hype left. 

yeah of course its not perfect, but its still (imo) better than having 1 month eliminating 2 teams each week, like very low chances to win is better than being eliminated (that if you consider like me that teams being eliminated is what kills the hype)

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Ok how about this instead... massively revamping PSL into a group style tour

 

Phase 1: 2 groups of 4 teams, each team plays the other in their group (3 weeks)

 

Phase 2: The top 2 teams from each group form group A, the bottom 2 teams from each group form group B, everyone in group A plays each other, same in group B

(3 weeks)

 

Phase 3: The 3rd and 4th place team in group A faces the 1st and 2nd place in group B, winners join the semi finals... Bottom 2 teams in group B are eliminated (1 week)

 

Phase 4: Semi finals, 1st vs 4th, 2nd vs 3rd. The top players from the 4 eliminated teams (W/L ratio) are split into two all star teams (1 week)

 

Phase 5: Finals + All star game managed by two meme players (1 week)

 

1st place gets usual prize

 

All star team winners get a cash/item incentive too (maybe 500k ea??)

 

 

Pros:

All teams have a chance up until week 6

Losing players are incentivized by the all star game 

All star game replaces broken award system

Losing the first 3 weeks isn't a death sentence 

 

Cons: not every team will get the chance to play ea other

Multiple games vs the same team 

 

 

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25 minutes ago, DoctorPBC said:

Ok how about this instead... massively revamping PSL into a group style tour

 

Phase 1: 2 groups of 4 teams, each team plays the other in their group (3 weeks)

 

Phase 2: The top 2 teams from each group form group A, the bottom 2 teams from each group form group B, everyone in group A plays each other, same in group B

(3 weeks)

 

Phase 3: The 3rd and 4th place team in group A faces the 1st and 2nd place in group B, winners join the semi finals... Bottom 2 teams in group B are eliminated (1 week)

 

Phase 4: Semi finals, 1st vs 4th, 2nd vs 3rd. The top players from the 4 eliminated teams (W/L ratio) are split into two all star teams (1 week)

 

Phase 5: Finals + All star game managed by two meme players (1 week)

 

1st place gets usual prize

 

All star team winners get a cash/item incentive too (maybe 500k ea??)

 

 

Pros:

All teams have a chance up until week 6

Losing players are incentivized by the all star game 

All star game replaces broken award system

Losing the first 3 weeks isn't a death sentence 

 

Cons: not every team will get the chance to play ea other

Multiple games vs the same team 

 

 

No

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11 hours ago, DoctorPBC said:

Ok how about this instead... massively revamping PSL into a group style tour

 

Phase 1: 2 groups of 4 teams, each team plays the other in their group (3 weeks)

 

Phase 2: The top 2 teams from each group form group A, the bottom 2 teams from each group form group B, everyone in group A plays each other, same in group B

(3 weeks)

 

Phase 3: The 3rd and 4th place team in group A faces the 1st and 2nd place in group B, winners join the semi finals... Bottom 2 teams in group B are eliminated (1 week)

 

Phase 4: Semi finals, 1st vs 4th, 2nd vs 3rd. The top players from the 4 eliminated teams (W/L ratio) are split into two all star teams (1 week)

 

Phase 5: Finals + All star game managed by two meme players (1 week)

 

1st place gets usual prize

 

All star team winners get a cash/item incentive too (maybe 500k ea??)

 

 

Pros:

All teams have a chance up until week 6

Losing players are incentivized by the all star game 

All star game replaces broken award system

Losing the first 3 weeks isn't a death sentence 

 

Cons: not every team will get the chance to play ea other

Multiple games vs the same team 

 

 

i actually really like this idea, just psl will become much longer

 

5 hours ago, DoubleJ said:

Brace yourselves, I've just brainstormed a brand new event... not as long as the PSL but just as HYPE. Prepare your angus. The most biased host is returning.

hype? :o

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20 hours ago, DoctorPBC said:

All star game managed by two meme players

This actually sounds pretty cool. Seems like a better post season thing though, so good players in finals don't have to play two games that week. 

 

Lets do one of these right now for season 9, it'd be lit. 

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