Kamimiii Posted August 10, 2017 Share Posted August 10, 2017 7 minutes ago, JIceJDragon said: 3-1... won against Daryl after both of you were quickly subbed in after some shit happened between DoubleJ, Eric, and Gbwead won against Mnemosyne and won 2-1 against Bilburt... lost vs yangsam I don't know... I wouldnt be proud af and trying to trashtalk players that have been playing for seasons The loss against yangsam was a nocare game where I brought 6 offensive mons in OU because week was lost and I was too busy IRL to care, I'm kinda sad to have lost this one indeed since he played like shit and it was a free win, but my own fault. And idk why I would respect "players that have been playing for seasons" just cause they did, I won't argue with you about "playing for seasons = good" since you seem to think it's the case, who am I to tell you what you should think. But don't expect me to think you're good just bcs you played some seasons of PSL. 1 minute ago, Gunthug said: The problems started when I began making dpp videos. Gave too much knowledge away and the league caught up to me obviously That's cool then, thanks for providing us good DPP competition. As I said I mean you no harm at all, really that wasn't ironical. I recognize what you did and what you brought to us, but if you try to bite I'll crunch back. Link to comment
Kizhaz Posted August 10, 2017 Share Posted August 10, 2017 6 hours ago, NikhilR said: Gunt beat me. I can confirm he is good. Yeah, same Link to comment
Rigamorty Posted August 10, 2017 Share Posted August 10, 2017 Gunthug hasn't beat me. I can confirm he is not good. Spoiler I might be lying, I don't remember seasons 2-5 at all. Also lets disregard every friendly match I've played with him because he wins like 80% of those. Link to comment
Gunthug Posted August 10, 2017 Share Posted August 10, 2017 12 hours ago, Kamimiii said: That's cool then, thanks for providing us good DPP competition. As I said I mean you no harm at all, really that wasn't ironical. I recognize what you did and what you brought to us, but if you try to bite I'll crunch back. Lol I like you kami, I don't take anything on these Pokemon forums personally. But if you challenge me in my best tier (shit talk) you're gonna get run over JIceJDragon and SweeTforU 2 Link to comment
gbwead Posted August 10, 2017 Share Posted August 10, 2017 (edited) I'm disgusted by the level of incompetence of the PSL administration when it comes down to giving awards to the most deserving. Imo, both the W/L ratio of a player and the people he faced should be considered. I tried doing this by adding a W/L score to Match up score: W/L score: Spoiler Match up score: Spoiler =sum of the W/L score in the appropriate category of all the player's opponents / (wins of the player + losses of the player*2) For instance, if I take the top contestants for best overall player, I would determine the winner like this: Spoiler Overall score = W/L score + Match up score BurntZebra overall score = 192 +102 = 294 ZDFire overall score = 192 + 79 = 271 Enchanteur overall score = 238 + 82 = 320 Enchanteur with an overall score of 320 would be the best overall player. Edited August 10, 2017 by gbwead SweeTforU, camilo7, Kimikozen and 14 others 17 Link to comment
BurntZebra Posted August 10, 2017 Share Posted August 10, 2017 53 minutes ago, gbwead said: I'm disgusted by the level of incompetence of the PSL administration when it comes down to giving awards to the most deserving. Imo, both the W/L ratio of a player and the people he faced should be considered. I tried doing this by adding a W/L score to Match up score: W/L score: Hide contents Match up score: Reveal hidden contents =sum of the W/L score in the appropriate category of all the player's opponent / (wins of the player + losses of the player*2) For instance, if I take the top contestants for best overall player, I would determine the winner like this: Hide contents Overall score = W/L score + Match up score BurntZebra overall score = 192 +102 = 294 ZDFire overall score = 192 + 79 = 271 Enchanteur overall score = 238 + 82 = 320 Enchanteur with an overall score of 320 would be the best overall player. I like the concept, but the execution could be better. The idea of creating a match up score helps out a lot with the question of how easy someone's opponents are, but the weighting of it seems to be off somewhat compared to the number of wins/ W/L score. If I played fabbrooo instead of ZDFire week 5 (the other UU slot), and if I won, I would gain an extra 46 points from the W/L score, while only losing about 7 points total from the Match up score (Fabbrooo scored a 44 on the matchup score scale), making my matchup score about 95 instead of 102. Match up is also fairly dependent on who you play each week (well duh I guess). For example, in week 2 against the buzzwoles, I played raptori in SM OU instead of bluebreath in UU, which is a 117 point matchup difference between the 2. This gives me an advantage that wasn't really possible for ZDFire since he doesn't play SM OU. Personally speaking, I think the rankings should be ZDFire first, Me second, and Enchanteur third, without using any numbers system. kevola and BlackJovi 2 Link to comment
Arimanius Posted August 10, 2017 Share Posted August 10, 2017 @gbwead how not to love u? SweeTforU, Suneet, DoubleJ and 4 others 7 Link to comment
gbwead Posted August 10, 2017 Share Posted August 10, 2017 16 minutes ago, BurntZebra said: I like the concept, but the execution could be better. The idea of creating a match up score helps out a lot with the question of how easy someone's opponents are, but the weighting of it seems to be off somewhat compared to the number of wins/ W/L score. If I played fabbrooo instead of ZDFire week 5 (the other UU slot), and if I won, I would gain an extra 46 points from the W/L score, while only losing about 7 points total from the Match up score (Fabbrooo scored a 44 on the matchup score scale), making my matchup score about 95 instead of 102. Well that's the point. The match up score rewards you more if you win against a great oppononent and penalizes you if you lose against a bad opponent. The match up score alone is not representative enough tho which is why it is added to the w/l score. 19 minutes ago, BurntZebra said: Match up is also fairly dependent on who you play each week (well duh I guess). For example, in week 2 against the buzzwoles, I played raptori in SM OU instead of bluebreath in UU, which is a 117 point matchup difference between the 2. This gives me an advantage that wasn't really possible for ZDFire since he doesn't play SM OU. I dont see how that is relevant in any way. Why would you not ne rewarded for being able to switch tiers in order to get more points? The best overall award should go to the player that won against the best players. If that means competing in different tiers, so be it. Arimanius 1 Link to comment
BurntZebra Posted August 10, 2017 Share Posted August 10, 2017 Just now, gbwead said: Well that's the point. The match up score rewards you more if you win against a great oppononent and penalizes you if you lose against a bad opponent. The match up score alone is not representative enough tho which is why it is added to the w/l score. I dont see how that is relevant in any way. Why would you not ne rewarded for being able to switch tiers in order to get more points? The best overall award should go to the player that won against the best players. If that means competing in different tiers, so be it. I just gave you an example of how a win vs a "bad" (relatively speaking) opponent is only worth 7 points less than a win vs the "top" . I guess for best overall player, it's fine to do the calculations like that, but for best UU/OU, you don't really control who you play against, since managers can put whoever they want in the first and second OU/UU slots, so if you're tied with someone for best UU and then in week 7, you can either get matched up vs their 1-5 UU player, or their 5-1 UU player, you end up on the losing side when you get matched up vs 1-5 just on chance alone. I might reimplement the "ranking" of OU/UU in future seasons, since as long as there aren't weird restrictions/rules about substitutes with it (subbed into UU1, then UU2 has to go into UU1 etc), there isn't too much of a problem with it. kevola 1 Link to comment
gbwead Posted August 10, 2017 Share Posted August 10, 2017 7 minutes ago, BurntZebra said: I just gave you an example of how a win vs a "bad" (relatively speaking) opponent is only worth 7 points less than a win vs the "top" . That's only from the match up score. If you take into consideration that win or loss in the w/l score, you should see that the overall difference is much more than 7 pts. 7 minutes ago, BurntZebra said: but for best UU/OU, you don't really control who you play against, since managers can put whoever they want in the first and second OU/UU slots, so if you're tied with someone for best UU and then in week 7, you can either get matched up vs their 1-5 UU player, or their 5-1 UU player, you end up on the losing side when you get matched up vs 1-5 just on chance alone. I might reimplement the "ranking" of OU/UU in future seasons, since as long as there aren't weird restrictions/rules about substitutes with it (subbed into UU1, then UU2 has to go into UU1 etc), there isn't too much of a problem with it. So if one player is 5-0 in OU and faced better opponents than another player with aldo 5-0 in OU, the player that faced worst opponents would get the award simply because he is a victim of circumstances. This is utterly stupid, zeb. camilo7 1 Link to comment
LuisPocho Posted August 10, 2017 Share Posted August 10, 2017 But ZDfire was in Eric´s team, that should give him +100 points at least. JIceJDragon 1 Link to comment
BurntZebra Posted August 10, 2017 Share Posted August 10, 2017 13 minutes ago, gbwead said: That's only from the match up score. If you take into consideration that win or loss in the w/l score, you should see that the overall difference is much more than 7 pts. So if one player is 5-0 in OU and faced better opponents than another player with aldo 5-0 in OU, the player that faced worst opponents would get the award simply because he is a victim of circumstances. This is utterly stupid, zeb. I'm assuming a win on both of them. The difference between 6-1 and 7-0 was 46 points and the match up score difference was only 7 points. So you basically gain 39 points if you win vs the lesser person. I'm assuming the 2 5-0 players have played the same people and are tied up to that point, then who wins best player (or just whoever ends up with most points) is entirely dependent on what player they play in the final week kevola 1 Link to comment
gbwead Posted August 10, 2017 Share Posted August 10, 2017 LMAO I just calced the overall scores of Moises and Coge. Moises with 3 wins / 0 losses got a W/L score of 130. Having faced Laz, Kriliin and Parke, he got a Match up score of 97. His overall score was therefore 227. Coge with 4 wins / 0 losses got a W/L score of 154. Having faced Natalia, Jostar, Kizhaz and Eloyriptor, he got a Match up score of 73.25. His overall score was therefore 227.25. Coge (227.25) >= Moises (227) Numbers don't lie. BlackJovi, DoubleJ, kevola and 1 other 4 Link to comment
DoubleJ Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 Just award them both like Sejuani and Migz last season. @camilo7 Best Overall though, he too good gbwead, LKrenz, camilo7 and 3 others 6 Link to comment
DaftCoolio Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 12 minutes ago, gbwead said: LMAO I just calced the overall scores of Moises and Coge. Moises with 3 wins / 0 losses got a W/L score of 130. Having faced Laz, Kriliin and Parke, he got a Match up score of 97. His overall score was therefore 227. Coge with 4 wins / 0 losses got a W/L score of 154. Having faced Natalia, Jostar, Kizhaz and Eloyriptor, he got a Match up score of 73.25. His overall score was therefore 227.25. Coge (227.25) >= Moises (227) Numbers don't lie. didnt coge lose to kaerodactyl or something 7 minutes ago, DoubleJ said: Just award them both like Sejuani and Migz last season. @camilo7 Best Overall though, he too good did u even look at the poll Link to comment
DoubleJ Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 1 minute ago, DaftCoolio said: didnt coge lose to kaerodactyl or something did u even look at the poll Did you even look at the numbers?! @gbwead this guy, amirite? Link to comment
gbwead Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 1 minute ago, DaftCoolio said: didnt coge lose to kaerodactyl or something You're right. Let's give a 0.25 penalty to Coge for not showing up to face Kaero. Coge (227) = Moises (227) Just now, DoubleJ said: Did you even look at the numbers?! @gbwead this guy, amirite? hopeless DoubleJ, BlackJovi and Arimanius 3 Link to comment
KaynineXL Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 11 minutes ago, gbwead said: You're right. Let's give a 0.25 penalty to Coge for not showing up to face Kaero. Coge (227) = Moises (227) hopeless how many points i got Link to comment
TJXD Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 35 minutes ago, gbwead said: whats both our scores on dubs , just checking DoubleJ 1 Link to comment
gbwead Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 45 minutes ago, KaynineXL said: how many points i got Overall (OU + DPP) Your W/L score is 126. Your Match up score is 100.83. Your total score is 226.83. 23 minutes ago, TJXD said: whats both our scores on dubs , just checking In Dubs: Your W/L score is 140. Your Match up score is 73.83. Your total score is 213.83. My W/L score is 130. My Match up score is 101.33. My total score is 231.33. KaynineXL 1 Link to comment
TJXD Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 Just now, gbwead said: Overall (OU + DPP) Your W/L score is 126. Your Match up score is 100.83. Your total score is 226.83. In Dubs: Your W/L score is 140. Your Match up score is 73.83. Your total score is 213.83. My W/L score is 130. My Match up score is 101.33. My total score is 231.33. I blame Bilburt's record Link to comment
gbwead Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 1 minute ago, TJXD said: I blame Bilburt's record you can blame riga too Link to comment
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