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Good evening fellow players! I would like to make a suggestion that is going to blow everyone's minds! A PokeMMO stock market! Some people might wonder how it might work. Let me describe what shares we are trading and how could work.....

 

The "Stocks":

 

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1. The "stocks" I was thinking of are teams in game. The stock price in game goes up when the team has team mates that win tournaments or if the team itself won the monthly team tournaments.

 

2. If the team feels like it is competitive, it can send an application to the "Stock Exchange Link" and a moderator can approve a team under his/her discretion.

The "Investors":

 

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1. If the investors feel confident in the stock (just like in real life), you can purchase shares in that stock or team. Investors can also sell their shares if they lose confidence in the team they had invested in.

 

2. It's the team's decision, but if they want to, they can pay out a dividend once every 5 months. The team's leader can put aside money in the "Stock bank" so that way, the dividends can be paid out. If the team's leader cannot afford the dividends, then the stock is not going to have any.

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Navigation:

 

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It's kind of like GTL's layout, but a bit different...

 

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Tabs:

a) "Stock Exchange": The team's tag and the price per share.

IE: "AURA" = 50k per share; "LYLE" = 40k per share; "RISE" = 45k per share; etc

 

b) "Your Shares": How many shares you have in that team and you can sell them.

AURA      100 Shares     Sell

 

If you click on the "Sell" button, and a window like this would pop up....

(credit to RufusMcCootur for letting me pop up the trade window)

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Instead of "Trade, it would say "Sell" and just like in the trade window, you can click the middle box and type the number of shares you want to sell.

 

c) This tab is only accessible to team leaders: "Stock Commands": There are a lot of choices that the leader can check mark....

 

1. "Enable Dividend" = When the leader check marks this option, he/she can set the percentage that is going to be paid out. In the stock market, when a dividend is issued, the stock dips in value temperately and then once the dividends are paid, the stock goes back up.

2. "Stock payment for team mates" = When the leader activates this feature, it is going to pay each team mate 15% of the stock's earnings to the team. Just like enabling the dividend, the main downfall of this feature is that the stock price is going to dip a little.

3. "Remove from Stock Exchange": If the leader of a team in the market is not that confident in the team's overall performance, he/she can remove the stock from the Stock Market.

 

d) If your a team leader and you don't have your stock listed yet: "Team Applic." I would suggest a question with a text box and then a submit button. If the reason is good enough, the staff member appointed to keep this operation working would put you up on the stock exchange.

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Questions:

 

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1. Wouldn't the stock market defeat the purpose of grinding for in game yen?

 

Answer: I do not think this is the case, in fact, I am going to theorise that grinding is going to go directly into overdrive. Don't be surprised if people breed like crazy or plant a ton of berries so they can make in game money so they can invest it into the PokeMMO Stock Market. The best part is that people can lose a lot of in game pokeyen, so people would grind even further to recoup their loses.

 

2. Who would you suggest to lead this section?:

 

Answer: If I had to suggest someone in the staff lounge to lead this department, I would pick either @Munya, @XelaKebert, or @Ronax due to their ability to crunch a lot of numbers together. As of right now, I would like to pick @Munya due to his status. He is the only Global Moderator in the bunch, so I feel that he can focus on the PokeMMO Stock Market. I have to say, I did not have a chat with @Munya in a while, but from what I can gather, he is quite intelligent and he does not have any ties to anyone in game so I feel he would not be biased. 

 

3. What is the point of an in game stock market?

 

Answer: If a competitive team needs to purchase resources for his/her comps, I would feel that this is a good way to do it. Investors in game want to make a buck and so do the people in charge of the stock. I feel that this is an inadvertent bond between the stock owners and the shareholders.

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Final Remarks:

 

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I am not sure if you know this about me, but I love to see how companies are doing in their stocks. The Stock Market is quite an interesting place to explore if your into a lot of number crunching. I would research the stock prices of big companies like McDonald's (this stock in my view is like Russian Roulette), Apple, Amazon, Alphabet (Google's stock name), etc to see how they are doing. I have to say this, if you cannot handle the Stock Market, I would advise you to consult a stock broker in your area. To me, the Stock Market is kind of like a mathematical playground with a ton of numbers going up and down. When I am well versed in the ins and outs of the stock market, I want to buckle up and go on the ride. To me, the Stock Market is a fun place, but it does come with its side effects. You win and you lose. I feel that the stock market would be an excellent money sink for people on PokeMMO and also a good way to get rich in game. People can grind so they can throw more in game cash in the market place. I can see the millionaires of tomorrow doing this sport.

 

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11 hours ago, Raederz said:

Where does the money you invest go ?

That is a good question, the money can go into the market and 15% of the stock's earnings can go to the team. You can own shares of the team and then you can sell them when you want. If the teams want, they can pay dividends to reward you for investing with them. Let me pull up a graph of the Russian Roulette stock (McDonald's) as a template....

 

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If the stock price for AURA is 20k per share, then the team can increase their stock price by winning officials. One team mate wins an official and the stock price increases to +3k. If the team wins the team tournament, then they can have their price increase by +10k. If there are no team mates that won an official that week, their stock price decreases -2k. If the team's leadership feels like their team mates are failing to preform, they can look into changing their operations a bit. Why do I have McDonald's stock as a demo? Your on to something, McDonald's CEO use to be Donald Thompson, but in 2015, McDonald's stock was not doing so well. Thus, shareholders pressured Mr. Thompson to step down and Steve Easterbrook succeeded him. Due to his leadership, McDonald's is preforming better than it did under Mr. Thompson. I feel that teams can do the same, if there are players that say "I quit comp", then it would give some incentive to invite people who are hungry for a competitive win. My team for example has a ton of people who want to win tournaments and this system would empower the team to preform at its best.

 

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Even under Mr. Easterbrook's leadership, I am still a little hesitant to put money in McDonald's.

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8 hours ago, OrangeManiac said:

This system has nothing to do with actual stocks and how they work, this is more of a "advanced gambling system for in-game".

Kind of yes, but kind of no. Staff have to watch the Stock Market like how the Fed watches over the stock market. Players can invest in a certain team if they feel confident about that team winning an official. The Stock Market is kind of like gambling, but we have a gambling place in Celadon, so in my view, this is a little milder than a slot machine.

 

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3 hours ago, Tyrone said:

Can't wait to purchase majority of [AURA] shares and elect DarylDixon to become leader.

Maybe you can discuss that in the next shareholder meeting AURA has.

 

 

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42 minutes ago, Kite said:

Sounds way too convoluted to me :x

If it is implemented, I could make a tutorial vid about it so I can let you understand the system a little better. You have a taste of what I want to do irl.

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I think this wouldnt be something cool for pokemmo.

From all I read/experienced in this subject, I think it may generate way more frustration than fun ingame, and, no doubt more drama.

 

Also, the community isnt large enought (ye it's large, but not enought. You cant implement this kind of feature without making sure that the richest players are still just a grain of sand in the whole market)

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2 hours ago, Raederz said:

I think this wouldnt be something cool for pokemmo.

From all I read/experienced in this subject, I think it may generate way more frustration than fun ingame, and, no doubt more drama.

 

Also, the community isnt large enought (ye it's large, but not enought. You cant implement this kind of feature without making sure that the richest players are still just a grain of sand in the whole market)

Good afternoon Raederz, I hope you doing well.

When you implement a feature like this, I feel it is going to be a thrill instead of being frustrating. Even if your middle class (in game), you can still invest to become wealthier. You have a point that you won't be able to attend shareholder meetings, but you can still make a buck in game for investing in a stock that does well. Grinding in game would increase because it is going to create incentive for people to throw more yen in the "Stock Market."

 

I feel that the community is a moderate size, not too large nor too small. I think this would be a good enough size to try this feature on. Usually stocks are affordable for everyone, so for the more expensive teams (like LYLE, Aw, AURA, etc), it would be about 50k per share. If a stock is questionable, a staff member can "cap" the stock from making it unaffordable. So, if AURA is doing so well, staff can cap it to their amount. Wealthy people make up the marketplace in real life and I feel that this feature would be good for people. I think this would be a good money sink as well as a profit place. I'll put it to you this way, yes it is gambling, but we have Celadon Casino with slot machines, so I feel that we can make a milder version of that.

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No tutorial in the world can let me understand and I'm more of a hands on kind of guy. But how about people just use the GTL to get their needs for tournaments? Or trade chat...if anyone still uses that.

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16 minutes ago, Kite said:

No tutorial in the world can let me understand and I'm more of a hands on kind of guy. But how about people just use the GTL to get their needs for tournaments? Or trade chat...if anyone still uses that.

They can use GTL to earn a living and then put that money in the stock market.

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Alright, since I'm a bit bored I'll explain how stocks work in real life. I'm aware any system remotely to this is not going be implemented for obvious reasons but I just want to explain a few things to Bestfriends for making this amount of effort for making a suggestion like this.

 

The point of companies is to produce profit for their owners. Stocks are a way to split the ownership of a company. There are two kinds of stocks, the administrative stocks and stocks with a right for dividends (latter is the one that are most commonly on sale). The stock owners are not investors for the company - they are the owners of the company. Even though companies often sell their own stocks to people in order to get money for the company, the role of the people buying those stocks aren't "investors" but "owners" of the company. If a person owns one stock in a company that has a total of 100 stocks, that person owns 1 % of the company. This means this person is entitled to 1 % of the profits the company makes, since the point of companies is to make profit to its owners. (Bigger companies have billions of stocks but the math works the same way).

 

To make profit, the company needs to gain more money than it has spent (during a year). This means companies often do not even make profit. At this point, no dividends are given to the owners because there is literally nothing to give for the owners. Meanwhile if the company makes profit it is its legal obligation to pay the stock owners the profit the company had made during the year. (If the majority of the stock owners decide the profit money should be invested in the company, then that's a possibility too but it's still the money of the stock owners and they're basically giving a loan to said company here.)

 

The values of stocks do not rise or fall because of "success" a company had. Well, that is a bit factor to the value of stocks but still not the direct reason for it. The value from a stock becomes from the expectation value of how much this particular stock will give its owner dividends. If a company has made nice amount of profit for past years, then obviously their stock value is going to be high because people trust that company to do things correctly in order to get profit. However, things that aren't even concrete numbers can affect in the value of stocks. If there's a crisis in the country, the expectation value that the companies in that country will make as much profit as they did before isn't good and the stock will lose its value. Heck, even rumors can affect to the value of stocks. 2008 Apple's stocks plummeted 10% in 10 minutes when there was a rumor on the internet that its CEO had passed away. The company itself had done nothing wrong but only the expectation value that the said company will make less profit made the stock value plummet.

 

So, in comparison to your suggestion:

 

- Money does not come out of nowhere in real world

- Stock owners are owners of the company, not investors

- Dividends aren't an option, they are a legal obligation to the owners

- Money again, does not come out of nowhere in the real world

- The value of a stock doesn't just work the way you explained it

- There aren't exactly a need of an "outside source" with the idea of stock exchange itself

 

Therefor what you just suggested here is basically just a way to enforce gambling. If I pay money and x team wins, I get more money. If I pay money and the x team loses, I lose money. The parallel to "real life stocks" is unnecessary because that's not how this works.

 

Peace.

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17 hours ago, Bestfriends said:

They can use GTL to earn a living and then put that money in the stock market.

But why would they need to put it into a stock market? It would be better to invest into themselves.

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*scurries in from the shadows*

 

I once pitched the idea to the sgms to build a program that sifted through the gtl and recorded prices and quantities on it. By doing this regularly, one could build a "market report" that would show how the economy is doing on a whole. Would have also been interesting to see if certain egg groups are more expensive than others, etc; and how item's prices change over time, and how prices as a whole change when an update happens, etc.

and the sgms approved the idea.

 

Maybe one day I'll actually do it...

 

*scurries back to the shadows*

 

edit:

yeah I know this is pretty different than the suggested idea. But this was my take on making a "stock market".

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On 2017-5-31 at 6:12 AM, OrangeManiac said:

Alright, since I'm a bit bored I'll explain how stocks work in real life. I'm aware any system remotely to this is not going be implemented for obvious reasons but I just want to explain a few things to Bestfriends for making this amount of effort for making a suggestion like this.

 

The point of companies is to produce profit for their owners. Stocks are a way to split the ownership of a company. There are two kinds of stocks, the administrative stocks and stocks with a right for dividends (latter is the one that are most commonly on sale). The stock owners are not investors for the company - they are the owners of the company. Even though companies often sell their own stocks to people in order to get money for the company, the role of the people buying those stocks aren't "investors" but "owners" of the company. If a person owns one stock in a company that has a total of 100 stocks, that person owns 1 % of the company. This means this person is entitled to 1 % of the profits the company makes, since the point of companies is to make profit to its owners. (Bigger companies have billions of stocks but the math works the same way).

 

To make profit, the company needs to gain more money than it has spent (during a year). This means companies often do not even make profit. At this point, no dividends are given to the owners because there is literally nothing to give for the owners. Meanwhile if the company makes profit it is its legal obligation to pay the stock owners the profit the company had made during the year. (If the majority of the stock owners decide the profit money should be invested in the company, then that's a possibility too but it's still the money of the stock owners and they're basically giving a loan to said company here.)

 

The values of stocks do not rise or fall because of "success" a company had. Well, that is a bit factor to the value of stocks but still not the direct reason for it. The value from a stock becomes from the expectation value of how much this particular stock will give its owner dividends. If a company has made nice amount of profit for past years, then obviously their stock value is going to be high because people trust that company to do things correctly in order to get profit. However, things that aren't even concrete numbers can affect in the value of stocks. If there's a crisis in the country, the expectation value that the companies in that country will make as much profit as they did before isn't good and the stock will lose its value. Heck, even rumors can affect to the value of stocks. 2008 Apple's stocks plummeted 10% in 10 minutes when there was a rumor on the internet that its CEO had passed away. The company itself had done nothing wrong but only the expectation value that the said company will make less profit made the stock value plummet.

 

So, in comparison to your suggestion:

 

- Money does not come out of nowhere in real world

- Stock owners are owners of the company, not investors

- Dividends aren't an option, they are a legal obligation to the owners

- Money again, does not come out of nowhere in the real world

- The value of a stock doesn't just work the way you explained it

- There aren't exactly a need of an "outside source" with the idea of stock exchange itself

 

Therefor what you just suggested here is basically just a way to enforce gambling. If I pay money and x team wins, I get more money. If I pay money and the x team loses, I lose money. The parallel to "real life stocks" is unnecessary because that's not how this works.

 

Peace.

I understand where your coming from and I have a verdict that you might like.

 

On 2017-5-31 at 8:55 PM, Gilan said:

*scurries in from the shadows*

 

I once pitched the idea to the sgms to build a program that sifted through the gtl and recorded prices and quantities on it. By doing this regularly, one could build a "market report" that would show how the economy is doing on a whole. Would have also been interesting to see if certain egg groups are more expensive than others, etc; and how item's prices change over time, and how prices as a whole change when an update happens, etc.

and the sgms approved the idea.

 

Maybe one day I'll actually do it...

 

*scurries back to the shadows*

 

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yeah I know this is pretty different than the suggested idea. But this was my take on making a "stock market".

Good thinking Gilan. I hope that shadow satisfies you.

 

 

 

 

Good evening everyone, I was off for a holiday break from Tues night - Thurs night. When I was on my break, I was thinking a lot about what Orange had told me and how I presented my future to people...

On 2017-5-30 at 5:06 AM, OrangeManiac said:

This system has nothing to do with actual stocks and how they work, this is more of a "advanced gambling system for in-game".

I would like staff to lock this thread because of what Orange said. It really stuck with me and it was haunting me when I was on my holiday break. The fact that I encouraged a system that allows gambling, it was sickening. In fact, after my holiday, I immediately got on my laptop to advise the staff to lock this thread. Anther reason why I want this thread locked is due to the implication of my personal wealth. I have to tell you all that I am not wealthy, I am not broke either, I am middle class in real life. The reason I am looking into the stock market is due to a few reasons:

 

a) I love mathematics, I just enjoy plugging in a ton of numbers.

b) I want to build up my portfolio for myself and for my future family. I want to pay for my children's clothing, food, and other things to be sure they are comfortable.

c) When you look at the stock market, it takes a lot of thought and sometimes I love to wonder how a stock is going to do and I love the mental chess. Yes, it can make you lose money, but you can make money too, just ask people who invested in Amazon (man I wish I had that stock....).

d) Last, but certainty not least, I want to be able to enjoy life and not worry about paying the bills. Don't worry devs, when I am wealthy, I might give an occational donation because I do enjoy this game a lot.

 

I might want to publish a "What is Roy Thinking?" episode on this thread and why I want it locked, but for now I had to address a few points before this thread is locked.

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On 01/06/2017 at 2:55 AM, Gilan said:

*scurries in from the shadows*

 

I once pitched the idea to the sgms to build a program that sifted through the gtl and recorded prices and quantities on it. By doing this regularly, one could build a "market report" that would show how the economy is doing on a whole. Would have also been interesting to see if certain egg groups are more expensive than others, etc; and how item's prices change over time, and how prices as a whole change when an update happens, etc.

and the sgms approved the idea.

 

Maybe one day I'll actually do it...

 

*scurries back to the shadows*

 

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yeah I know this is pretty different than the suggested idea. But this was my take on making a "stock market".

Why the SGMs and not into the Suggestion box?

 

Anyway, I've mentioned a similar thing to Desu, although from what I understand it is more hassle than it sounds.

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This is my first episode I ever did about a suggestion on forums. It bothered me so much, I had to make to a publication about my thoughts...

 

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I would rather have this suggestion locked, but if staff do not want it to be locked, that is fine. I am no longer supporting this suggestion.

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