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[PSL 8] Player Signups - June 2nd Deadline for Signups!

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I have added a deadline to the player sign ups. Friday at 11:59 PM gives the managers and I a lot of flexibility on when we can do the draft and auction, and realistically, everyone has seen the player signup threads at this point, and the people who haven't signed up are just waiting until the last day to sign up. 

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1 minute ago, BurntZebra said:

Realistically, there will be a very small number of people that won't sign up because their bff manager didn't get the #1 or #2 pick, so they might end up on the team they want to.  

It's not about the number of players here. It's about the players's quality. Frags and Osuki have not even signed up and the first pick, as well as the second, has already been traded off. We all know Frags will most likely sign up, but still. The draft system is already unbalanced and now the managers do not even have the same information regarding what player will be participating. Sign up bias has always been a PSL issue that have been brushed off as if it was nothing and it seems this season will be no different :/

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2 minutes ago, gbwead said:

It's not about the number of players here. It's about the players's quality. Frags and Osuki have not even signed up and the first pick, as well as the second, has already been traded off. We all know Frags will most likely sign up, but still. The draft system is already unbalanced and now the managers do not even have the same information regarding what player will be participating. Sign up bias has always been a PSL issue that have been brushed off as if it was nothing and it seems this season will be no different :/

It's not really that different than using the auction to get someone you want. Would you prefer someone to spend credits+picks to get the #1 pick to get frags, or someone in an auction to overpay massively for frags (like 40k or something)?

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Just now, BurntZebra said:

It's not really that different than using the auction to get someone you want. Would you prefer someone to spend credits+picks to get the #1 pick to get frags, or someone in an auction to overpay massively for frags (like 40k or something)?

Ok look at it that way. Everyone is giving shit to LKrenz for overpaying for Frags, but what if another manager was willing to overpay even more for Frags. Why would he not? He would not because LKrenz is in a better position socially to know if Frags will sign up or not. I personally know if my close my friends will sign up like Guerinf and XPLOZ, but most managers don't. I'm not saying my friends are first pick materials, they might or might not be, but the fact that I have sign up information that others don't have is a huge issue regarding sign up bias. If someone overpays for Frags in an auction, well so what? Everyone would have been on an equal playing field which is not the case right now. If a manager believes, based on who he knows has signed up, he will be forced to acquire a player with a perceived poor quality/price ratio unless he trades off his current pick for a worse pick + credits, he would then try to trade off his pick. However, if right after trading off his good pick, a player he would have been really interested in signs up, well he just got utterly fucked because of this broken system. If you want to protect the managers and the competitiveness of PSL, managers need to have the same information.

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3 minutes ago, gbwead said:

Ok look at it that way. Everyone is giving shit to LKrenz for overpaying for Frags, but what if another manager was willing to overpay even more for Frags. Why would he not? He would not because LKrenz is in a better position socially to know if Frags will sign up or not. I personally know if my close my friends will sign up like Guerinf and XPLOZ, but most managers don't. I'm not saying my friends are first pick materials, they might or might not be, but the fact that I have sign up information that others don't have is a huge issue regarding sign up bias. If someone overpays for Frags in an auction, well so what? Everyone would have been on an equal playing field which is not the case right now. If a manager believes, based on who he knows has signed up, he will be forced to acquire a player with a perceived poor quality/price ratio unless he trades off his current pick for a worse pick + credits, he would then try to trade off his pick. However, if right after trading off his good pick, a player he would have been really interested in signs up, well he just got utterly fucked because of this broken system. If you want to protect the managers and the competitiveness of PSL, managers need to have the same information.

You're operating under the assumption that frags just wouldn't sign up at all if the manager he wanted wasn't able to get him, which I don't believe is true, at least not for him. Six seasons of PSL went by, and frags played all of them, and he never went into any of them knowing what manager was going to get him. 

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2 minutes ago, BurntZebra said:

You're operating under the assumption that frags just wouldn't sign up at all if the manager he wanted wasn't able to get him, which I don't believe is true, at least not for him. Six seasons of PSL went by, and frags played all of them, and he never went into any of them knowing what manager was going to get him. 

I'm not saying that Frags will not sign up, I am saying that managers have a right to know which they are being denied right now. Is Osuki signing up? Do you know for sure? There is a huge gap between pick #1 and pick #2 if osuki doesn't sign up, just like there would be a huge gap between pick #2 and pick #3 if he did sign up. Managers need to know if they want to make well informed trades.

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Just now, gbwead said:

I'm not saying that Frags will not sign up, I am saying that managers have a right to know which they are being denied right now. Is Osuki signing up? Do you know for sure? There is a huge gap between pick #1 and pick #2 if osuki doesn't sign up, just like there would be a huge gap between pick #2 and pick #3 if he did sign up.

I think you're overestimating how good the #1 and #2 picks are compared to the rest of the picks. I was the #5 pick last season and I beat the #1 and #3 picks in NU, and I beat someone who potentially got help from the #2 pick.  

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Just now, BurntZebra said:

I think you're overestimating how good the #1 and #2 picks are compared to the rest of the picks. I was the #5 pick last season and I beat the #1 and #3 picks in NU, and I beat someone who potentially got help from the #2 pick.  

Osuki and Frags were the top picks for a reason. Beating them that one week in one match up means nothing when they can influence and liftup their team for the better. As far as I know, Frags' team still won against yours.

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Just now, gbwead said:

Osuki and Frags were the top picks for a reason. Beating them that one week in one match up means nothing when they can influence and liftup their team for the better. As far as I know, Frags' team still won against yours.

Kakunas had a multitude of issues that could not be fixed. Several people were not open to getting help with teambuilding and lacked overall motivation to perform well. 

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Just now, BurntZebra said:

Kakunas had a multitude of issues that could not be fixed. Several people were not open to getting help with teambuilding and lacked overall motivation to perform well. 

W.e. It is not very relevant what happened to Kakunas. There is still more to a player than his direct performance and that is very noticable with Osuki and Frags.

 

Lkrenz gave up a lot for the first pick this season. Did he overpay for the first pick? Well, if you think he didn't overpay, then you are basically admitting that their is huge a gap between pick #1 and pick #2 when we assume Frags will sign up and Osuki won't. If you think he did overpay, then I think you fucked up because, after removing all trades restrictions this season, you decided to take it upon yourself to oversee trades. If in your opinion, LKrenz overpaid, you should have stopped him. I will therefore assume that you don't believe that he overpaid and that you believe there is a fairly relative big gap between pick #1 and pick #2. 

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10 minutes ago, gbwead said:

W.e. It is not very relevant what happened to Kakunas. There is still more to a player than his direct performance and that is very noticable with Osuki and Frags.

 

Lkrenz gave up a lot for the first pick this season. Did he overpay for the first pick? Well, if you think he didn't overpay, then you are basically admitting that their is huge a gap between pick #1 and pick #2 when we assume Frags will sign up and Osuki won't. If you think he did overpay, then I think you fucked up because, after removing all trades restrictions this season, you decided to take it upon yourself to oversee trades. If in your opinion, LKrenz overpaid, you should have stopped him. I will therefore assume that you don't believe that he overpaid and that you believe there is a fairly relative big gap between pick #1 and pick #2. 

Value of players is very subjective. Personally I'd be fine with the #2 pick, since I wouldn't mind getting any of the top 5 players really. JJ just leveraged the fact that he'll choose frags to lkrenz, so that if lkrenz really wanted frags, he'd have to get the #1 pick, but since I and probably other managers don't need frags as much, we wouldn't feel the need to make that trade.

 

It'll be real funny when frags doesn't sign up even

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i dont think gb is overvaluing the top picks at all. on top of frags being, well.. frags comp wise, he's just a leader. you dont just get the #1 player, but you get a motivator, someone willing to go above and beyond to help his teammates. same for osuki. both of these guys were put the team on my back type guys, who lead their teams week after week. it's a 2 for 1 deal, and it's one hell of a deal

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1 minute ago, DiDi said:

i dont think gb is overvaluing the top picks at all. on top of frags being, well.. frags comp wise, he's just a leader. you dont just get the #1 player, but you get a motivator, someone willing to go above and beyond to help his teammates. same for osuki. both of these guys were put the team on my back type guys, who lead their teams week after week. it's a 2 for 1 deal, and it's one hell of a deal

Tbh theres more ppl like that, some managers just dont know ;)

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1 minute ago, BlackJovi said:

Tbh theres more ppl like that, some managers just dont know ;)

i wasnt saying the 2 top picks specifically, just the top people to draft for these reasons. i only gave frags and osuki as examples because they were already in play

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I really don't think lkrenz makes that trade without confirmation that frags is playing. 

 

Also, osuki certainly is nice. 

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5 minutes ago, DoctorPBC said:

Pre sure frags still hasn't won a PSL... sure he is good but he clearly isn't making a certain team OP every time 

He ended up on spheal team 6 season 3

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Gbwead is often making good points but somehow the ppl who makes decisions ignore him with answers like: i dont think.. or kakunas (who cares) while he makes a long thread why the system might be broken. Maybe you should consider his Points while ignoring them lmao

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On 2017-5-29 at 2:08 PM, BlackJovi said:

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