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Mnemosyne's Never Used competitive guide

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38 minutes ago, Gazelli said:

I'm the one who created the sub bulk up set, was first used by laza when he shrekt kanyninelx. there was also a CC in which daryl was losing 5-6 to sebat, but pinsir came in and 5-0'd sebat. in the current meta its not great, but its worth putting. Was a lot better when poli had a lower base attack since it set up on that. 

Nope. I am the one who used it first(as far as I know) when I swept someone in an unofficial final from turn 1 with it, well before Laz used it on me, you nonce lmao. @DiDi may remember who it was against, someone in Rise I believe. You've not created anything useful in PokeMMO because you're trash, you should just keep watching me and stealing my stuff, you might actually win a real official.

 

Laz shrekt me with it when it was completely useless actually, it was about to die to ada 252 attack Poliwrath until he flinched me twice, I remember. 

 

Edit: In fact, I believe Laz has max speed, whereas mine is ada 252 sp def. Also works well as resto chesto. Sweeps on most walls except those with Leech Seed and somewhat HP Fire from grass types.

Edited by KaynineXL

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Keep it simple boys. Poor mnemo didn't even know about Scarf Diglett. We start with the basics, then expand. I would suggest making some posts like my Pinsir and help out. 

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Cacturne

HP 70 / Atk 115 / Def 60 / SpAtk 115 / SpDef 60 / Speed 55

 

Just typing down some sets instead of giving a description of what i think of the mon.

 

Bulky Cacturne

 

Nature: Sassy/ Bold

EVs: 252 HP, 252 Spdef or Def 

Item: Leftovers.

 

Moves: 

Spikes

Leech Seed/ Giga Drain

Faint Attack/ HP Dark

Toxic/Protect

 

 

Offensive Physical 

 

Nature: Lonely/Adamant 

EVs: 252 Atk  252 Speed 

Item(s): Leftovers, Life Ball

 

Moves:

Needle Arm/ Bullet Seed / Giga Drain

Superpower/ Low Kick

Swords Dance

Thunderpunch/ Return / Faint Attack 

 

 

Offensive Mixed Sweeper 


Nature: Mild

EVs: 128 SpAtk n Atk, 252 Speed | 252 Speed, 252 Spatk, 6 Atk

Item(s): Leftovers, Life Ball

 

Moves: 

HP Dark/ Faint Attack

Giga Drain

Superpower/ Low Kick

Return/ HP Ground/ Thunderpunch

 

 

 

 Fast Cacturne Mode

 

Nature: Timid/ Hasty

EVs: 252 Spatk, 252 Speed, 6 HP/ Atk

Item(s): Choice Scarf

 

Moves: 

Spikes

Giga Drain

Destiny Bond

HP Dark/ Faint Attack 

 

 

 

 

 

Diglett

HP 10 / Atk 55 / Def 25 / 35 Spatk / 45 SpDef / 95 Speed

 

(Lord Trapper, all I have to say) 

 

 

 SubReversal 

 

Nature: Adamant/Jolly

EVs: 252 Atk, 252 Speed 

Item: Leichi Berry 

 

Moves:

Earthquake 

Substitute

Reversal

Screech/ Rock Slide / Return 

 

[ Not too hard to handle, it is mostly used to trap walls such as Kecleon and make sure its special sweeper can clean up the rest. Pursuit trappers best way to deal with it]

 

 

 

Diglett Sonic Speed

 

Nature: Adamant

EVs: 252 Atk, 252 Speed | 252 HP, 252 Atk, 6 Speed | Some Hp evs, 252 Atk, Rest in Speed

Item: Choice Scarf

( With 31 speed IV, it will reach 116 speed with 6 EVs plus Scarf = 174. Buzz, Scyther, Wall Raichu, the 252 HPs to tank LO Exspeed)

 

 

Moves: 

Earthquake

Rock Slide

Return

Momento/ Theif/ Aerial Ace

 

Masquerain

HP 70 / Atk 60 / Def 62 / Spatk 100 / Spdef 82 / Speed 80 

 

With its recent base updates in spatk and speed, i consider this to be viable and capable of sweeping late game with support of Twave that will allow it to outspeed some other stuff such as Scyther or just run Agility. 

 

 

Specs Masq 

 

Nature: Timid / Modest

EVs: 252 Spatk, 252 Speed, 6 HP or Def

Item: Choice Specs

 

Moves: 

Air Cutter / HP Flying [ Best Flying Stab unless you want AC crits ] 

Signal Beam [ Best stab it learns ]

Ice Beam

Hydro Pump / Giga Drain / Shadow Ball

 

 

 

 Masquerain LO

 

Nature: Modest

EVs: 252 Spatk, 252 Speed | Can add some in HP then 252 Spatk, rest in Speed

Item: Life Ball

 

Moves:

Air Cutter / HP Flying / HP Electric

Hydro Pump

Ice Beam / Sig Beam / Giga Drain

Agility

 

[ With giga drain, it well allow you to continue to do dmg and recover. HP Elec for Mantine. AC or Sig beam as stab to hit grass types.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Beedrill 

HP 65 / Atk 90 / Def 40 / Spatk 45 / Spdef 80 / Speed 75

 

Another mon that got a recent base updates. 

 

 

Salac Sweeper

 

Nature: Adamant / Jolly 

EVs: 252 Atk, 252 Speed, 6 HP

Ability: Swarm

Item: Salac Berry

 

 

 Moves:

Swords Dance

Twineedle / Pin Missile [ Boosted from Swarm ]

Endure / Substitute 

Return /  Aerial Ace / Brick Break

 

 

Offensive

 

Nature: Adamant / Jolly

EVs: 252 Atk, 252 Speed

Item: Choice Band, Life Ball

 

Moves:

Double Edge

Twineedle / Pin Missile

Aerial Ace

Brick Break / Pursuit / Thief 

 

[ Its movepool is not so great so I don't really see this as a great CB user but who knows, NU is all about creativity and some comp player may run it ] 

 

- Has access to agility and Swords Dance 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[ Let me know if there is a better ev spread so I can edit or just drop down your opinion ] 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited by xStarr
Got more but going to sleep

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the thing about this guide is, many NUs have lots of sets that work for them with the same EVs as well as same item (examples of this: cacturne, octillery, magmar, golduck), and others have different spreads that work with the same sets (examples of this: muk, aggron, chimecho, shuckle), so a lot of it is preference

i'll add muk

subpunch / toxicpunch
item: leftovers
nature: adamant
ability: sticky hold
EV's: 188+ HP/ 252 Att/ rest in HP, Def, Spec Def
set: ice punch - thunder punch - substitute - focus punch 
       (toxic over any of these for toxicpunch)


curse
item: leftovers
nature: careful
ability: sticky hold
EV's: 252 HP/ 252 Spec Def 
set: curse - rest - [attack] - [attack]

 

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On 3/28/2017 at 2:51 PM, Mnemosyne said:


Kadabra
HP 40 / Atk 35 / Def 30 / Sp Atk 120 / Sp Def 70 / Speed 105
This thing is a very dangerous sweeper in Never Used. Psychic + Signal Beam is a very strong offensive combination. It can either be used as a calm minder or as a special bander. Just make sure you switch this thing in safely. Also watch out for special defensive Metang that could pursuit trap you.

Special Choice band
Item: Special Choice Band
Nature: Timid
Ev’s: 252 Sp Atk / 252 Speed
Moveset: Psychic – Signal beam/Shadow Ball – HP Fighting/HP Ground – Trick

Best counters:
Metang
Raichu
Kecleon



Kingler
HP 55 / Atk 130 / Def 115 / Sp Atk 50 / Sp Def 50 / Speed 75
Another amazing wallbreaker in the tier. Can either be used as a Choice Bander, Swords Dancer or Choice Scarfer. Crabhammer is defenitely something to watch out for. The best counters for this gigantic krab are Tangela and Bellosom. For the Choice Banded and Scarf set I would just pick Swords dance in the last slot because it only has 3 proper moves to use anyway.

Choice Band
Item: Choice Band
Nature: Adamant/Jolly
Ev’s: 252 Atk / 252 Speed
Moveset: Crabhammer – Return – Superpower – Swords Dance (Could use Rock Tomb, but meh)




 


Choice Scarf
Item: Choice Scarf
Nature: Adamant/Jolly
Ev’s: 252 Atk / 252 Speed
Moveset: Crabhammer – Return – Superpower – Swords Dance (Could use Rock Tomb, but meh)

Best counters:
Tangela
Bellosom

Don't really know why you include Raichu as a counter to Kada Specs. 

252 SpA Choice Specs Kadabra Psychic vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Raichu: 91-108 (54.4 - 64.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery.
Won't be able to come into that and ik Volt Tackle Ohkos Kada.
 
For Kingler who runs sd on a scarf mon or cb? lol. Can get lucky if its knocked off.  You have access to two other moves; Thief and Facade should be able to provide more than Rock Tomb. 
 
Another thing, Bellosom is spelled as "Bellossom" 
 
 
 
ED:
SMH, this guy didn't even include Exploud.
 
 
Exploud 
HP 104 / Atk 91 / Def 63 / Spatk 91 / Spdef 73 / Speed 68
 
This thing is basically a lord. 
 
Offensive User Options
 
Nature: Timid / Modest
Item(s): Choice Specs, Scarf, Life Ball
EVs:  252 HP, 252 Spatk | 252 Speed, 252 Spatk
 
Moves:
 
Hyper Voice / Hyper Beam
Surf
Shadow Ball / Fire Blast 
Ice Beam / Flamethrower / HP Grass / HP Elec
 
[ This is the evs that i run and had alot of success with this, going 252 HP Bulky Exploud ] 
 
You can add Choice Scarf to cap a speed at 180.
 
 
Edited by xStarr
Lmao fuck sleep amirite.

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Thanks DoubleJ, Didi and Jostarr, I will add them later. I totally forgot Expload. And DoubleJ I don't use Diglett cuz I think its scum and I rather give no set then a bad one. 

Edited by Mnemosyne

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2 hours ago, LifeStyle said:

@xStarr 99% sure that Beedrill learns Pin Missile

It's the same dmg no? Has better accuracy I think too.

 

ed: nvm saw it is two hits instead of 2-5 like Pin.

 

ed2: 

Another Exploud set I guess

Mixed User

 

Nature: Rash

EVs: 128 Atk n Spatk, 252 HP or Speed | 252 Spatk 252 Speed

Item: Life Ball

 

Moves:

Return / Hyper Voice

Earthquake 

Flamethrower / Ice Beam / Shadow Ball / Surf

Crunch

 

 

Edited by xStarr
Added Mixed User

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just noticed
i know there's gimmicky things like togetic seviper and chan not on the list, but damn, you're really going to do rapidash like that?
primeape too 

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4 minutes ago, DiDi said:

just noticed
i know there's gimmicky things like togetic seviper and chan not on the list, but damn, you're really going to do rapidash like that?
primeape too 

I forgot to add Hitmonchan, Rapidasj and Primeape. I will 100% do them later.

 

I don't think Seviper, Togetic and Breedill are good pokemons tbh.

Edited by Mnemosyne

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7 hours ago, xStarr said:

It's the same dmg no? Has better accuracy I think too.

 

ed: nvm saw it is two hits instead of 2-5 like Pin.

 

ed2: 

Another Exploud set I guess

Mixed User

 

Nature: Rash

EVs: 128 Atk n Spatk, 252 HP or Speed | 252 Spatk 252 Speed

Item: Life Ball

 

Moves:

Return / Hyper Voice

Earthquake 

Flamethrower / Ice Beam / Shadow Ball / Surf

Crunch

 

 

I like to use a mixed phisycally oriented set to work as wallbreaker too (some peps would say it sucks but works 90% of the time for me)

 

Mixploud (physically based)

 

Nature: Naughty/Lonely

EVs: 244 ATK/ 68 SPA/ 196 SPE (enought to ouspeed natured base 50 such as Aggron and slower stuff)

Item: Life Ball

 

Moves:

Return/ Double-Edge 

Earthquake/ Surf

HP Grass/ Crunch

Overheat/ Flamethower /Fireblast

 

The choosen moveset should be based in what u want hits an what u team struggles. Return is a nice stab but if u want more sheer power u can run D.E. if u have balls. Earthquake hits Agron, Muk, and qwilfish hard while Surf deal with Torkoal, Solrock, and casual Magcargo/Camerupt with ease. Crunch hits chimecho hard and occasionally some yolo gastlys trying to switch while HP grass deal with whiscash and solrock if u chose EQ instead of Surf. The last slot is designed to a fire move due the popular grass types like tangela and bellosom, both are KOed by return + a fire move (please note then Belloson can avoid be KOed by return + flamethower so you like use a more powerful move in trade of Acc.

 

Few stuff can freely switch in Exploud due the vast movepool, but this set can be walled  with ease by shuckle as it fails to be 2HKOed by surf with this EV investment

 

 

 

 

 

Edited by Risadex
correction of nature (hasty >> Lonely)

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I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but Bulk Up Pinsir has been a thing since well... Bulk Up. You can find the tip here: http://www.smogon.com/dex/rs/pokemon/pinsir/. While it's not the most popular set, it did warrant a mention in the "other options". So stop being silly. Real talk though, I invented Sub Swords Dance Pinsir and got many a win. 

 

LONG LIVE THE MOUNTAIN!

 

Spoiler

@KaynineXL & @Gazelli, my long lost lovers. 

 

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7 hours ago, Mnemosyne said:

I forgot to add Hitmonchan, Rapidasj and Primeape. I will 100% do them later.

 

I don't think Seviper, Togetic and Breedill are good pokemons tbh.

No matter what, there are ppl out there that like those mons and would like to use them on a team. NU is all about creativity so gotta add those.  They prob don't know what to use so they will look here and be thrilled.  Picc vs Zebra in the finals of some NU, Beedrill did work but didn't finish.

Edited by xStarr

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