KaynineXL Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 (edited) 38 minutes ago, Gazelli said: I'm the one who created the sub bulk up set, was first used by laza when he shrekt kanyninelx. there was also a CC in which daryl was losing 5-6 to sebat, but pinsir came in and 5-0'd sebat. in the current meta its not great, but its worth putting. Was a lot better when poli had a lower base attack since it set up on that. Nope. I am the one who used it first(as far as I know) when I swept someone in an unofficial final from turn 1 with it, well before Laz used it on me, you nonce lmao. @DiDi may remember who it was against, someone in Rise I believe. You've not created anything useful in PokeMMO because you're trash, you should just keep watching me and stealing my stuff, you might actually win a real official. Laz shrekt me with it when it was completely useless actually, it was about to die to ada 252 attack Poliwrath until he flinched me twice, I remember. Edit: In fact, I believe Laz has max speed, whereas mine is ada 252 sp def. Also works well as resto chesto. Sweeps on most walls except those with Leech Seed and somewhat HP Fire from grass types. Edited March 30, 2017 by KaynineXL aftershocker, DiDi, NikhilR and 1 other 4 Link to comment
aftershocker Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 11 minutes ago, KaynineXL said: Nope. I am the one who used it first when I swept someone in an unofficial from turn 1 with it Still haunts me to this day Parke, DiDi, DoubleJ and 5 others 8 Link to comment
liiaa Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 (edited) :o Edited March 30, 2017 by liiaa Link to comment
LifeStyle Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 I remember facing that Pinsir, I also remember lord Quagsire having my back ez DoubleJ 1 Link to comment
Torinnnnn Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 Don't forget the lord Bold Vict Link to comment
DoubleJ Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 Keep it simple boys. Poor mnemo didn't even know about Scarf Diglett. We start with the basics, then expand. I would suggest making some posts like my Pinsir and help out. Link to comment
xStarr Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 (edited) Cacturne HP 70 / Atk 115 / Def 60 / SpAtk 115 / SpDef 60 / Speed 55 Just typing down some sets instead of giving a description of what i think of the mon. Bulky Cacturne Nature: Sassy/ Bold EVs: 252 HP, 252 Spdef or Def Item: Leftovers. Moves: Spikes Leech Seed/ Giga Drain Faint Attack/ HP Dark Toxic/Protect Offensive Physical Nature: Lonely/Adamant EVs: 252 Atk 252 Speed Item(s): Leftovers, Life Ball Moves: Needle Arm/ Bullet Seed / Giga Drain Superpower/ Low Kick Swords Dance Thunderpunch/ Return / Faint Attack Offensive Mixed Sweeper Nature: Mild EVs: 128 SpAtk n Atk, 252 Speed | 252 Speed, 252 Spatk, 6 Atk Item(s): Leftovers, Life Ball Moves: HP Dark/ Faint Attack Giga Drain Superpower/ Low Kick Return/ HP Ground/ Thunderpunch Fast Cacturne Mode Nature: Timid/ Hasty EVs: 252 Spatk, 252 Speed, 6 HP/ Atk Item(s): Choice Scarf Moves: Spikes Giga Drain Destiny Bond HP Dark/ Faint Attack Diglett HP 10 / Atk 55 / Def 25 / 35 Spatk / 45 SpDef / 95 Speed (Lord Trapper, all I have to say) SubReversal Nature: Adamant/Jolly EVs: 252 Atk, 252 Speed Item: Leichi Berry Moves: Earthquake Substitute Reversal Screech/ Rock Slide / Return [ Not too hard to handle, it is mostly used to trap walls such as Kecleon and make sure its special sweeper can clean up the rest. Pursuit trappers best way to deal with it] Diglett Sonic Speed Nature: Adamant EVs: 252 Atk, 252 Speed | 252 HP, 252 Atk, 6 Speed | Some Hp evs, 252 Atk, Rest in Speed Item: Choice Scarf ( With 31 speed IV, it will reach 116 speed with 6 EVs plus Scarf = 174. Buzz, Scyther, Wall Raichu, the 252 HPs to tank LO Exspeed) Moves: Earthquake Rock Slide Return Momento/ Theif/ Aerial Ace Masquerain HP 70 / Atk 60 / Def 62 / Spatk 100 / Spdef 82 / Speed 80 With its recent base updates in spatk and speed, i consider this to be viable and capable of sweeping late game with support of Twave that will allow it to outspeed some other stuff such as Scyther or just run Agility. Specs Masq Nature: Timid / Modest EVs: 252 Spatk, 252 Speed, 6 HP or Def Item: Choice Specs Moves: Air Cutter / HP Flying [ Best Flying Stab unless you want AC crits ] Signal Beam [ Best stab it learns ] Ice Beam Hydro Pump / Giga Drain / Shadow Ball Masquerain LO Nature: Modest EVs: 252 Spatk, 252 Speed | Can add some in HP then 252 Spatk, rest in Speed Item: Life Ball Moves: Air Cutter / HP Flying / HP Electric Hydro Pump Ice Beam / Sig Beam / Giga Drain Agility [ With giga drain, it well allow you to continue to do dmg and recover. HP Elec for Mantine. AC or Sig beam as stab to hit grass types. Beedrill HP 65 / Atk 90 / Def 40 / Spatk 45 / Spdef 80 / Speed 75 Another mon that got a recent base updates. Salac Sweeper Nature: Adamant / Jolly EVs: 252 Atk, 252 Speed, 6 HP Ability: Swarm Item: Salac Berry Moves: Swords Dance Twineedle / Pin Missile [ Boosted from Swarm ] Endure / Substitute Return / Aerial Ace / Brick Break Offensive Nature: Adamant / Jolly EVs: 252 Atk, 252 Speed Item: Choice Band, Life Ball Moves: Double Edge Twineedle / Pin Missile Aerial Ace Brick Break / Pursuit / Thief [ Its movepool is not so great so I don't really see this as a great CB user but who knows, NU is all about creativity and some comp player may run it ] - Has access to agility and Swords Dance [ Let me know if there is a better ev spread so I can edit or just drop down your opinion ] Edited March 30, 2017 by xStarr Got more but going to sleep GBush, Leviticus and Suneet 3 Link to comment
DiDi Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 the thing about this guide is, many NUs have lots of sets that work for them with the same EVs as well as same item (examples of this: cacturne, octillery, magmar, golduck), and others have different spreads that work with the same sets (examples of this: muk, aggron, chimecho, shuckle), so a lot of it is preference i'll add muk subpunch / toxicpunch item: leftovers nature: adamant ability: sticky hold EV's: 188+ HP/ 252 Att/ rest in HP, Def, Spec Def set: ice punch - thunder punch - substitute - focus punch (toxic over any of these for toxicpunch) curse item: leftovers nature: careful ability: sticky hold EV's: 252 HP/ 252 Spec Def set: curse - rest - [attack] - [attack] Mnemosyne 1 Link to comment
xStarr Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 (edited) On 3/28/2017 at 2:51 PM, Mnemosyne said: KadabraHP 40 / Atk 35 / Def 30 / Sp Atk 120 / Sp Def 70 / Speed 105This thing is a very dangerous sweeper in Never Used. Psychic + Signal Beam is a very strong offensive combination. It can either be used as a calm minder or as a special bander. Just make sure you switch this thing in safely. Also watch out for special defensive Metang that could pursuit trap you.Special Choice bandItem: Special Choice Band Nature: Timid Ev’s: 252 Sp Atk / 252 Speed Moveset: Psychic – Signal beam/Shadow Ball – HP Fighting/HP Ground – Trick Best counters: Metang Raichu KecleonKinglerHP 55 / Atk 130 / Def 115 / Sp Atk 50 / Sp Def 50 / Speed 75Another amazing wallbreaker in the tier. Can either be used as a Choice Bander, Swords Dancer or Choice Scarfer. Crabhammer is defenitely something to watch out for. The best counters for this gigantic krab are Tangela and Bellosom. For the Choice Banded and Scarf set I would just pick Swords dance in the last slot because it only has 3 proper moves to use anyway. Choice BandItem: Choice Band Nature: Adamant/Jolly Ev’s: 252 Atk / 252 Speed Moveset: Crabhammer – Return – Superpower – Swords Dance (Could use Rock Tomb, but meh) Choice ScarfItem: Choice Scarf Nature: Adamant/Jolly Ev’s: 252 Atk / 252 Speed Moveset: Crabhammer – Return – Superpower – Swords Dance (Could use Rock Tomb, but meh) Best counters: Tangela Bellosom Don't really know why you include Raichu as a counter to Kada Specs. 252 SpA Choice Specs Kadabra Psychic vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Raichu: 91-108 (54.4 - 64.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery. Won't be able to come into that and ik Volt Tackle Ohkos Kada. For Kingler who runs sd on a scarf mon or cb? lol. Can get lucky if its knocked off. You have access to two other moves; Thief and Facade should be able to provide more than Rock Tomb. Another thing, Bellosom is spelled as "Bellossom" ED: SMH, this guy didn't even include Exploud. Exploud HP 104 / Atk 91 / Def 63 / Spatk 91 / Spdef 73 / Speed 68 This thing is basically a lord. Offensive User Options Nature: Timid / Modest Item(s): Choice Specs, Scarf, Life Ball EVs: 252 HP, 252 Spatk | 252 Speed, 252 Spatk Moves: Hyper Voice / Hyper Beam Surf Shadow Ball / Fire Blast Ice Beam / Flamethrower / HP Grass / HP Elec [ This is the evs that i run and had alot of success with this, going 252 HP Bulky Exploud ] You can add Choice Scarf to cap a speed at 180. Edited March 30, 2017 by xStarr Lmao fuck sleep amirite. Mnemosyne and Suneet 2 Link to comment
Mnemosyne Posted March 30, 2017 Author Share Posted March 30, 2017 (edited) Thanks DoubleJ, Didi and Jostarr, I will add them later. I totally forgot Expload. And DoubleJ I don't use Diglett cuz I think its scum and I rather give no set then a bad one. Edited March 30, 2017 by Mnemosyne DoubleJ 1 Link to comment
LifeStyle Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 @xStarr 99% sure that Beedrill learns Pin Missile Link to comment
xStarr Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, LifeStyle said: @xStarr 99% sure that Beedrill learns Pin Missile It's the same dmg no? Has better accuracy I think too. ed: nvm saw it is two hits instead of 2-5 like Pin. ed2: Another Exploud set I guess Mixed User Nature: Rash EVs: 128 Atk n Spatk, 252 HP or Speed | 252 Spatk 252 Speed Item: Life Ball Moves: Return / Hyper Voice Earthquake Flamethrower / Ice Beam / Shadow Ball / Surf Crunch Edited March 30, 2017 by xStarr Added Mixed User Link to comment
DiDi Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 (edited) just noticed i know there's gimmicky things like togetic seviper and chan not on the list, but damn, you're really going to do rapidash like that? primeape too Edited March 30, 2017 by DiDi Link to comment
Mnemosyne Posted March 30, 2017 Author Share Posted March 30, 2017 (edited) 4 minutes ago, DiDi said: just noticed i know there's gimmicky things like togetic seviper and chan not on the list, but damn, you're really going to do rapidash like that? primeape too I forgot to add Hitmonchan, Rapidasj and Primeape. I will 100% do them later. I don't think Seviper, Togetic and Breedill are good pokemons tbh. Edited March 30, 2017 by Mnemosyne GBush 1 Link to comment
LifeStyle Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 100 base Attack / Special Attack with offensive moves like Crunch / EQ / Sludge Bomb / Flamethrower / Giga Drain looks pretty damn fine for a wallbreaker. DiDi, Mnemosyne, aftershocker and 4 others 7 Link to comment
Risadex Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 (edited) 7 hours ago, xStarr said: It's the same dmg no? Has better accuracy I think too. ed: nvm saw it is two hits instead of 2-5 like Pin. ed2: Another Exploud set I guess Mixed User Nature: Rash EVs: 128 Atk n Spatk, 252 HP or Speed | 252 Spatk 252 Speed Item: Life Ball Moves: Return / Hyper Voice Earthquake Flamethrower / Ice Beam / Shadow Ball / Surf Crunch I like to use a mixed phisycally oriented set to work as wallbreaker too (some peps would say it sucks but works 90% of the time for me) Mixploud (physically based) Nature: Naughty/Lonely EVs: 244 ATK/ 68 SPA/ 196 SPE (enought to ouspeed natured base 50 such as Aggron and slower stuff) Item: Life Ball Moves: Return/ Double-Edge Earthquake/ Surf HP Grass/ Crunch Overheat/ Flamethower /Fireblast The choosen moveset should be based in what u want hits an what u team struggles. Return is a nice stab but if u want more sheer power u can run D.E. if u have balls. Earthquake hits Agron, Muk, and qwilfish hard while Surf deal with Torkoal, Solrock, and casual Magcargo/Camerupt with ease. Crunch hits chimecho hard and occasionally some yolo gastlys trying to switch while HP grass deal with whiscash and solrock if u chose EQ instead of Surf. The last slot is designed to a fire move due the popular grass types like tangela and bellosom, both are KOed by return + a fire move (please note then Belloson can avoid be KOed by return + flamethower so you like use a more powerful move in trade of Acc. Few stuff can freely switch in Exploud due the vast movepool, but this set can be walled with ease by shuckle as it fails to be 2HKOed by surf with this EV investment Edited March 30, 2017 by Risadex correction of nature (hasty >> Lonely) Mnemosyne and xStarr 2 Link to comment
DoubleJ Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but Bulk Up Pinsir has been a thing since well... Bulk Up. You can find the tip here: http://www.smogon.com/dex/rs/pokemon/pinsir/. While it's not the most popular set, it did warrant a mention in the "other options". So stop being silly. Real talk though, I invented Sub Swords Dance Pinsir and got many a win. LONG LIVE THE MOUNTAIN! Spoiler @KaynineXL & @Gazelli, my long lost lovers. Coge and Mnemosyne 2 Link to comment
xStarr Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 (edited) 7 hours ago, Mnemosyne said: I forgot to add Hitmonchan, Rapidasj and Primeape. I will 100% do them later. I don't think Seviper, Togetic and Breedill are good pokemons tbh. No matter what, there are ppl out there that like those mons and would like to use them on a team. NU is all about creativity so gotta add those. They prob don't know what to use so they will look here and be thrilled. Picc vs Zebra in the finals of some NU, Beedrill did work but didn't finish. Edited March 30, 2017 by xStarr aftershocker 1 Link to comment
LifeStyle Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 His name was Pacc and his Beedrill almost became a legend, but rip 2 hit Pin Missile DiDi, Quint, GBush and 1 other 4 Link to comment
Maelstrom Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 Camerupt has 75 spdef, not 105. Link to comment
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