Unironic

[johnaltstone]

This post is like 1/4th trolling insofar as it falls in the tradition of what has essentially become shit-posting at this point, but it is mostly sincere with the intention to voice a consumer demand that has been consistent among players for quite some time now. I don't expect this will be received with much respect, but I will try to deliver it with as much respect as possible.

I actually do follow most of the posts relating to Johto on this forum, and, upon browsing recently, I came across this: 

There are a few points worth rebutting here, as certain smaller details that were left out do contribute to the overall picture:

1) Johto does not solely consist of 8 badges and an elite four. There is also Mt. Silver.  HG/SS also introduced a battle tower/battle frontier. When you consider that most of these things (in addition to other elements of Johto) can be made to be repeatable (or already are repeatable), that is actually a lot to keep one occupied.

2) Apricots would not be the only secondary feature either. Bug catching contests would also be a huge part of Johto's secondary content and a lot of cool prizes could be given out within the MMORPG dynamic. Johto also got a safari zone in HG/SS and its own casino. And on this note, Hoenn only really had beauty contests to offer, which aren't necessarily THAT great either, but mediocrity is sort of an inherent quality of secondary features.

In conclusion, I think this would provide a decent amount of end game content. I also think the space would get filled out despite the tendency for people to concentrate in Vermilion. I say this because there would be content to spread them out, just as it did spread people out in Hoenn, but there would also be those who have had a Johto-fetish for years now who would fill that space up and would probably be more actively engaged in the game out of sheer nostalgia. A reality that probably needs to be faced is that those who really want Johto can either have their reason to play or they will slowly start to die away in their frequency of game-play (suggestions like these will probably remain a constant though), and a significant amount of people who play this game probably grew up with G/S/C if not HG/SS. There's also wider marketing appeal to say you have the first 3 generations out of the way with. People will keep asking about Johto if you go to Sinnoh next, whereas it may be for the best to just eliminate the Johto-anticipation and get people to move forward.

Anyways, those are my 10 cents. I've been playing this game since 2013. I'm really appreciative of all the devs have done and don't mean to disrespect them with this post, though it sort of inherently will. This game has a genius premise and is in many ways the more-successful spiritual successor to Pokemonium/Pokenet. I hope that the day will come where, like Pokemonium/Pokenet, PokeMMO gains its 4 basic regions and all they have to offer in addition to all it has to offer already.

Edited January 25, 2017 by johnaltstone

[KoolT93]

18 minutes ago, johnaltstone said:

This post is like 1/4th trolling insofar as it falls in the tradition of what has essentially become shit-posting

No u same

[TeamRocketHarry]

10 minutes ago, KoolT93 said:

No u same

Different 

[Kyu]

can we just skip to alola and make everyone happy instead

 

p.s. que era una broma

Edited January 25, 2017 by Kyu

[Kyu]

please keep to the serious topic of Johto thank you sirs

[DrButler]

3 hours ago, johnaltstone said:

1) Johto does not solely consist of 8 badges and an elite four. There is also Mt. Silver.  HG/SS also introduced a battle tower/battle frontier. When you consider that most of these things (in addition to other elements of Johto) can be made to be repeatable (or already are repeatable), that is actually a lot to keep one occupied.

 

damn right, running the johto e4 several times, visiting mt. silver once and having another battle zone is fkn appealing.

 

3 hours ago, johnaltstone said:

Johto also got a safari zone in HG/SS and its own casino

we better get johto soon, it has its own casino after all. oh yeah and another safari zone, two arent enough already, right?

 

those "we want feature x" and "we want feature y" threads lately are so fkn random and stupid. why dont you just leave the game if it annoys you that hard?

Edited January 25, 2017 by Kyu
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[AbdOuMarley]

1 hour ago, Kyu said:

can we just skip to alola and make everyone happy instead

 

p.s. que era una broma

i thought sinnoh is coming :(

[johnaltstone]

1 hour ago, DrButler said:

 

damn right, running the johto e4 several times, visiting mt. silver once and having another battle zone is fkn appealing.

 

we better get johto soon, it has its own casino after all. oh yeah and another safari zone, two arent enough already, right?

 

those "we want feature x" and "we want feature y" threads lately are so fkn random and stupid. why dont you just leave the game if it annoys you that hard?

My point was just that it was more content than specified in the previous post. You can criticize the quality of the basic content itself all you like, it's no different from any other regions really and it still provides something to do.

My point about the casino was again, in regards to secondary features, which I conceded are inherently mediocre.

And finally, these types of posts clearly aren't going to go away (especially in regards to Johto), and having people play less frequently isn't good for the game itself. The only one who sounds annoyed is you.

Edited January 25, 2017 by johnaltstone
typo

[druido890]

 

as has already said johnaltstone, Jhoto has enough content (the same as a hoenn) indeed! even more than those of kanto (except islands) it considers to.

novelties such as those mentioned above can entertain palyer in the endgame PVE.

if the contents are not enough for the staff then put a pair of custom content and resolved.

same thing obviously regarding sinnoh, packed with new features and content region, even a new generation, but ok ....

 

Edited January 25, 2017 by druido890

[DrButler]

2 minutes ago, johnaltstone said:

You can criticize the quality of the basic content itself all you like, it's no different from any other regions really and it still provides something to do.

and thats the point. why would you want devs to waste time to implement stuff we already have? makes no sense. how long do you think johto would satisfy you? a week, maybe two, maybe even a month? you gonna start spamming threads for sinnoh then, cause it has a casino and a safari zone?

 

4 minutes ago, johnaltstone said:

My point about the casino was again, in regards to secondary features, which I conceded are inherently mediocre.

why would you even mention it then?

 

5 minutes ago, johnaltstone said:

And finally, these types of posts clearly aren't going to go away (especially in regards to Johto), and having people play less frequently isn't good for the game itself. The only one who sounds annoyed is you.

so implementing johto, cause very exciting "new" features, would get more people involved and keep currently active people playing the game? i highly doubt that. i also doubt im the only one whos annoyed by those shitposts, its just hard to even respond to them, because they are so frkn dull.

 

 

9 minutes ago, druido890 said:

if the contents are not enough for the staff then put a pair of custom content and resolved.

doubt they´d be the ones who´d cry because the content is boring. once johto was in you´d play through once and two days later you´d open another thread asking for this and that, because you´re bored. implementing johto doesnt make any sense, but keep going for it. 

[johnaltstone]

38 minutes ago, DrButler said:

and thats the point. why would you want devs to waste time to implement stuff we already have? makes no sense. how long do you think johto would satisfy you? a week, maybe two, maybe even a month? you gonna start spamming threads for sinnoh then, cause it has a casino and a safari zone?

I wasn't speaking literally here. Obviously Johto isn't exactly the same as the other regions, my point was just that it expands on the gameplay in a manner that is no different from how any other region would. As I said, it still provides something to do. And ultimately, it expands on the content.
 

 

40 minutes ago, DrButler said:

why would you even mention it then?

Because it was a rebuttal to a point that was previously raised in regards to secondary features. While I may think secondary features have an inherent degree of mediocrity, that doesn't change the fact that the apparent lack of secondary features in Johto seemed to be something preventing the devs from including it.

 

42 minutes ago, DrButler said:

doubt they´d be the ones who´d cry because the content is boring. once johto was in you´d play through once and two days later you´d open another thread asking for this and that, because you´re bored. implementing johto doesnt make any sense, but keep going for it. 

People will always be asking for newer regions. It may as well be kept at that instead of having people demand older ones as well.

 

43 minutes ago, DrButler said:

i also doubt im the only one whos annoyed by those shitposts, its just hard to even respond to them, because they are so frkn dull.

But you are annoyed by them and you did respond to them in a way that indicated you were triggered. :P

[Imperial]

Ok.

 

• Let's implement regions which are not logical / compatible with GBA graphics. It will look ugly AF, unless you can make it like some other MMO's and base all the regions on DS graphics, which will take even longer to implement as there would be a server / data wipe.
• Let's implement random gen 7 Pokemon when we haven't even finished releasing the Gen 4 item mechanics , let alone the Gen 4 Pokemon itself.
• Forget the glitches and the storage it will take up.

Can't be bothered to list more on the top of my head, but obviously there's a difference between fantasy and reality which has been occurring for months.

 

@Kyu You gonna have a blast for April Fools this year =)

 

Edit - For those spam typing and begging for the Sinnoh, etc. why don't you just customise a GUI? There have been patches released which look similar to DS Graphics (e.g. Darkshades) so it's possible. Then everyone can have the option and saves the devs stress while they implement other stuff.

Edited January 25, 2017 by Imperial

[druido890]

2 minutes ago, Imperial said:

Ok.

 

• Cerchiamo di attuare le regioni che non sono logico / compatibili con la grafica GBA. Sembrerà brutto AF, a meno che non si può fare come alcuni altri MMO e la base per tutte le regioni su DS la grafica, che avrà anche  più a lungo  per implementare in quanto ci sarebbe un server / cancellazione dei dati.
• Cerchiamo di attuare casuale GEN 7 Pokemon quando non abbiamo ancora finito di rilasciare i meccanici voce Gen 4  , per non parlare del Gen 4 si Pokemon.
• Dimenticate i glitch e lo stoccaggio ci vorranno.

Non può essere disturbati per elencare più sulla parte superiore della mia testa, ma ovviamente c'è una differenza tra fantasia e realtà, che è stato in corso da mesi.

 

@Kyu  Hai intenzione di avere un colpo per April Fools quest'anno =)

 

Edit - Per quelli di battitura spam e chiedere l'elemosina per la Sinnoh, ecc perché non solo di personalizzare una  GUI?  Ci sono state le patch rilasciate, che sembrano simili a DS Graphics (ad esempio Darkshades) quindi è possibile. Poi tutti possono avere la possibilità e salva lo stress sviluppatori mentre attuano altre cose.

 

listen:

 

- It is not true that serves the DS graphics. you can do everything with rom hack or mapping as was done for the North Pole

- Who said anything about the seventh generation? we discuss the Jhoto / sinnoh (and fourth generation)

- That there will be glitches and bugs that's obvious! as it was also for hoenn

- No! we do not want a GUI, we want a new region and a new generation with all content

 

P.S. Your attempt to tarnish our demands has been useless, sorry

[johnaltstone]

11 minutes ago, Imperial said:

Let's implement regions which are not logical / compatible with GBA graphics. It will look ugly AF, unless you can make it like some other MMO's and base all the regions on DS graphics, which will take even longer to implement as there would be a server / data wipe.

This is really the only comment that is relevant to the original post. You raise a good point though, but from what I understand, some users on this forum have even offered to assist with that and produced some results (I could have sworn I saw a post about that awhile back). 

Is PokeMMO not based on Pokemonium having gone open source? If so, Pokemonium implemented up to sinnoh if I'm not mistaken.

Edited January 25, 2017 by johnaltstone

[druido890]

1 minute ago, johnaltstone said:

Questo è davvero l'unico commento che è rilevante per il post originale. Si alza un buon punto, però, ma da quanto ho capito, alcuni utenti su questo forum hanno anche offerto di aiutare con questo e prodotto alcuni risultati (avrei giurato che ho visto un post su questo un po 'indietro). 

Si PokeMMO non basata su Pokemonium aver andato open source? Se è così, Pokemonium implementato fino a Sinnoh, se non mi sbaglio.

Yes, right!
time ago I offered me

1 minute ago, johnaltstone said:

This is really the only comment that is relevant to the original post. You raise a good point though, but from what I understand, some users on this Forum have even offered to assist with that and produced some results (I could have sworn I saw a post about that awhile back). 

Is PokeMMO not based on Pokemonium having gone open source? If so, Pokemonium implemented up to sinnoh if I'm not mistaken.

yes, right!

time ago i'm offered

[johnaltstone]

I don't mean to sound too demanding about this either tbh, just to put that out there. I just wanted to address a previous post and raise some general points. I don't consider Johto to be a number one priority.

Edited January 25, 2017 by johnaltstone

[druido890]

1 minute ago, johnaltstone said:

Non voglio sembrare troppo esigente su questo o tbh, solo per mettere che là fuori. Volevo solo per affrontare un post precedente e sollevare alcuni punti generali.

 

you're not demanding, it is your right to expose your thoughts and observations

Edited January 25, 2017 by druido890

[johnaltstone]

It is as much my right as it is the admins and mods right to trash this topic. Considering that I am implicitly stating certain demands, it does make sense that I ought to be respectful and sensitive of the priorities and needs of the devs.

[Diano]

Kanto and Hoenn are enough to 'have fun'.

[druido890]

Just now, Diano said:

Kanto and Hoenn are enough to 'have fun'.

is it your opinion

[Imperial]

1 hour ago, druido890 said:

 

listen:

 

- It is not true that serves the DS graphics. you can do everything with rom hack or mapping as was done for the North Pole

The North Pole is a temporary event, this would be permanent so more time and effort would need to be spent implementing it and avoiding glitches happening.  Yes mapping is possible but the tileset is different via each region.

- Who said anything about the seventh generation? we discuss the Jhoto / sinnoh (and fourth generation)

There's been a few people who have mentioned the Alola (7th gen) region. Besides, the Hoenn region hasn't even been finished yet so we wouldn't be seeing a new region anytime soon.

- That there will be glitches and bugs that's obvious! as it was also for hoenn

Yes there will be bugs and glitches but the Community will not like that. You can tell in general there will be too many uguus complaining the game isn't working and cussing the devs.

- No! we do not want a GUI, we want a new region and a new generation with all content

I also want to be a millionaire with 3000 girls every day. I was stating that GUIs could be a good temporary thing while devs prioritize other stuff.

 

P.S. Your attempt to tarnish our demands has been useless, sorry

I wasn't trying to tarnish anything, but I wonder how come people don't realise that devs have lives too, just because lots in this community do not. We are being provided with a free MMO, we are lucky this game is even able to legally run.

I don't mean to be harsh, and it can be annoying at times I agree (a new region would be nice) but still we gotta be realistic. 

[FuzzyRegirock]

4 hours ago, Kyu said:

please keep to the serious topic of Johto thank you sirs

everyone is giving into kyu's hype attempts its hilarious

[Rache]

5 hours ago, johnaltstone said:

Is PokeMMO not based on Pokemonium having gone open source?

PokeMMO is not based on Pokemonium or any other related project.

[ykh9108]

 

Ultimately, the final content of this game is a duel.

So, i want a gen4

many pokemon, move

 

Edited January 26, 2017 by ykh9108

[druido890]

 

perhaps it would be best if you implement a bit of moves, Pokemon and objects from 4gen and in the meantime continue work on hoenn to complete....maybe