OU Team

[Aspiration]

Hey all,

New on PokeMMO, I continue my up way. My UU team works good but I get an unhappy feeling about my OU team in ranked matchs (Miss/Hax/Core unbreakable)

and I did try a lot of things =\

Hope your help. Advices are welcome !

TACTIC
Game of counter. Zen way. Find and use a weakness, work hard and enjoy.

FLYGON
Mix sweep @Orb life
(+atk/-def spé) 252 atk / 252 speed
Eq, Dragon Claw, Superpower, Fire Blast

 

> Rekt core def. Easy to come with weakness of my team. Eq is op in late game.

MEDICHAM
Mix sweep @Orb life
(+atk/-def spé) 252 atk / 252 speed
Low Kick, Fire Punch, Psychic, Hp Grass

 

> Rekt core def. Low Kick hirts hard on switchs. Hp Grass just for Swampert.

 

TENTACRUAL
Spe sweep @Lefts
(+atk spé/-atk) 100 def / 252 atk spé / 160 speed
Hydro Pump, Sludge Bomb, Knock Off, Rapid Spin

 

> Hard times for RS (Starmie-Pursuit & Foretress-MagnePull). Venu everywhere ! Core with Flygon.
Maybe Giga > Knock Off ?

ARCANINE (Lead)
Phy Tank @Lefts
(+atk/-speed) 200 hps / 252 def / 60 atk spé
Overheat, Ext.Spd, Toxic, Morning Sun

 

> My favorite since 1G. Do the coffee. Overheat (210) hits strong that Toxic can´t touch. Relieves Milotic

MILOTIC
Phy Tank @Lefts
(+def/-atk) 252 hps / 252 def
Surf, Hp Elec, Haze, Recover

 

> Rekt Curselax, SD, DD, CB. Best wall in the game. Skarmory is a child next to her. 

 

CHANSEY
Spe Tank @Lefts
(+def spé/-atk) 252 def / 252 def spé
Seis Toss, Toxic, Protect, Wish

 

> Best way to turn a fool specials threats. Ok Snorlax can hit strong, but I´m not in a hurry. If trapinchs will be back in a row, I think use my 31iv spé atk with Ice beam instead Seis Toss.

[Murcielago]

I actually like this team, what are you having trouble with?

[razimove]

I can only see a few things eating your time slowly, and stall you to the late game happening:

you have no cleric, no heal bell. This means WoW/Toxics/Twaves will cripple your team hard, also taunt cripples milotic haze and chansey

you have no spinner, spikes will make it hard late game wise to switch. 

This is just personal taste and opinion. But this is what I'd change:

Chansey... toxic is a bit meh.. rather have her with twave or heal bell imo.

Metagross man, a metagross on that team would do wonders, I'm not a big fan of medicham myself, I'd switch him for metagross. You can also make him a mixed hp fire/ice/grass or with shadow ball + psychic. 

You can also try something I'm yet to build but seems very promising! a Bold starmie with rapid spin/confuse ray/recover/psychic. 

 

[GreatMasterRoshi]

bruh don't use tentacruel especially not with milotic. i would do a swift bander or starmie with trick special band and rapid spin

[DrButler]

4 hours ago, Aspiration said:

FLYGON
Mix sweep @Orb life
(+speed/-def spé) 252 atk / 252 speed
Eq, Dragon Claw, Superpower, Fire Blast

the only poke ud run blast for is skarm, special venu takes more dmg by eq, forre also down to 1% with flamethrower. dont like blast cause acc, up to preference tho i guess. weez is a 4 hit ko with blast so doesnt really matter.

 

if you want lategame power, +speed + Att imo. way things are you dont have a single poke that can speedtie with 100 base natured, as flygon fe.

 

5 hours ago, Aspiration said:

MEDICHAM
Mix sweep @Orb life
(+atk/-def spé) 252 atk / 252 speed
Low Kick, Fire Punch, Psychic, Hp Grass

again no speed. why would you invest 252 speed when you cant outspeed anything anyway? either more SpA investment or +speed nature.

 

5 hours ago, Aspiration said:

TENTACRUAL
Spe sweep @Lefts
(+atk spé/-atk) 100 def / 252 atk spé / 160 speed
Hydro Pump, Sludge Bomb, Knock Off, Rapid Spin

 

> Hard times for RS (Starmie-Pursuit & Foretress-MagnePull). Venu everywhere ! Core with Flygon.
Maybe Giga > Knock Off ?

when theres venu everywhere you might wanna run icebeam. can come on handy sometimes, freezes can save games.

 

5 hours ago, Aspiration said:

ARCANINE (Lead)
Phy Tank @Lefts
(+atk/-speed) 200 hps / 252 def / 60 atk spé
Overheat, Ext.Spd, Toxic, Morning Sun

 

> My favorite since 1G. Do the coffee. Overheat (210) hits strong that Toxic can´t touch. Relieves Milotic

there 58 evs left when you contribute 200 into hp. most common switch ins probably star, chansey, lax so +SpA is kinda useless.

 

5 hours ago, Aspiration said:

MILOTIC
Phy Tank @Lefts
(+def/-atk) 252 hps / 252 def
Surf, Hp Elec, Haze, Recover

 

> Rekt Curselax, SD, DD, CB. Best wall in the game. Skarmory is a child next to her.

calc speed of jolly rhydon and then compare to this milo.

252 Atk Choice Band Rhydon Earthquake vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Milotic: 108-127 (53.7 - 63.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

 

..."Skarmory is a child next to her."...

252+ Atk Choice Band Slaking Return vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Milotic: 139-165 (69.1 - 82%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

252+ Atk Choice Band Slaking Return vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Skarmory: 48-57 (27.9 - 33.1%) -- 87.9% chance to 4HKO after Leftovers recovery

 

252 Atk Choice Band Heracross Megahorn vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Milotic: 126-148 (62.6 - 73.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

252 Atk Choice Band Heracross Megahorn vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Skarmory: 21-25 (12.2 - 14.5%) -- possibly the worst move ever

 

i hope you get what im aiming for.

 

5 hours ago, Aspiration said:

> Best way to turn a fool specials threats. Ok Snorlax can hit strong, but I´m not in a hurry. If trapinchs will be back in a row, I think use my 31iv spé atk with Ice beam instead Seis Toss.

people found ways around that icebeam, so nope.

 

twave > toxic. u already run toxic + your team lacks speed, so you might want to support them that way and toxic doesnt hit lax which is an easy switch in, a common one as well. and toxic also invites those venusaurs which u cant really hurt, twave can stop growth venus.

 

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i guess you cant scratch most stuff because your pokes dont have any speed at all, flygon probably rips you, same with hera once that arcs gone. ur really weak to jolt once ur chansey is gone. no reliable normal switch ins as well. you might like skarm / forre / meta.

 

speed tiers completely fucked up tho.

 

5 hours ago, Murcielago said:

I actually like this team, what are you having trouble with?

lol

[Aspiration]

Thank you all !

 

Some true things, others not.

 

TEAM :

 

First, I won´t play one more time  steels. Fire moves are everywhere. Steels are weak vs a good player. 

Second, Starmie Bold doesn´t change anything with PursuitLax. I played it.

Third, Healer is gimmick and make lost several turns.

 

Nobody talk me about Blaziken =,c  / Maybe with Medicham only ones able to break Venu-Milo-Lax Core.

 

Private Message to DRButler
Worst physical threats
Gyara -> Skarmory useless
Curselax -> Skarmory useless
Brazegali -> Skarmory useless

 

Ok I´m miss speed in general. But to put nature +speed on Flygon is gimmick. 152 or 167 doesn´t change anything. Scarf if I need real speed.

 

MOVESETS :

 

I will think about T-wave (100%) on Chansey. Toxic (85%) wins Milo/Slowbro and it´s op in late game. 

 

Ok I´ll run Flamethrower > Fire Blast on Flygon.

 

On Tenta, Hydro Pump or Surf / Ice Beam (without weapons Milo/Swampert/Slowbro) ? Or Ice Beam / Sludge Bomb ?

 

 

 

 

 

Edited November 8, 2016 by Aspiration

[razimove]

you're taking the wrong approach lol, if it was that easy, everyone here would be rank 1, and winning tournaments, yet that doens't happen. Is not about counters, is about team synergy. I use a reversal digglet to counter chansey on OU for example, it works well cause the rest of my team allows a suicidal pokemon.

[DrButler]

1 hour ago, Aspiration said:

Steels are weak vs a good player. 

usage statistics

2 out of the top 4 most used pokes are steel types. so either most people suck or you´re wrong.

1 hour ago, Aspiration said:

152 or 167 doesn´t change anything

dunno, but imo having no speed tie with slaking and being slower than most opposing flygons doesnt sound to good, but i guess thats up to preference.

 

1 hour ago, Aspiration said:

Private Message to DRButler
Worst physical threats
Gyara -> Skarmory useless
Curselax -> Skarmory useless
Brazegali -> Skarmory useless

thats why people run several walls. itd be the same if i named tauros, flygon and hera and said milo was bad, which wouldnt make any sense. actually milo only is good if statused and once lax drops out milo will drop in usage as well, while skarmory will stay or even gain a few % even with fire types and named threats around.

 

anyway, im out. i just dont think this makes any sense tbh.

[Aspiration]

Well, it´s a war of details... Let´s start again with zen spirit.

 

I´m 60% ranked wins, I want to go 80%. I´m happy with my Def core Arcanine-Milo-Chansey.

 

The question could be, which offensives pokes are the best to perfect this team ? 

[Aspiration]

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[Thunderprime]

I'd start with metagross since you need a metal to tank those CB normal stab moves and that you dont wanna change your defense core. Keep flygon for the earthquake immunity and since it is life orb I would give a choice band on metagross for maximum damage. Last spot you might wanna get something fast for revengekills like a scarf on medicharm. Btw get rid of hp grass maybe for thunderpunch.

Edited November 9, 2016 by Thunderprime

[Aspiration]

Thank you,

 

Indeed, 1 Scarf is the right way. Flygon is born to wear it.

 

I played 2 times Metagross :

- Naughty. Orb Life / MetMash, HP Fire, Psyko, Agility

- Jovial. CB (then Scarf) / MetMash, Eq, Thunderpunch, Trick.

 

Dislike them, but with the Snorlexit, I will win a lot of space. Why not to run a mix moveset one more time.

 

Think about RS, important move. A lot of pressure don´t enought, cause Spikers troll Chansey.

 

And always affraid about Venu =\

 

[Aspiration]

Upgrade with your advices !

 

 

FLYGON
Mix sweep @Scarf
(+atk/-def spé) 252 atk / 252 speed
Eq, Dragon Claw, Superpower, Flamthrower

 

 

METAGROSS
Mix sweep @CB
(+atk/-def spé) 252 atk / 120 atk spé / 140 speed
Mete Mash, Thunderpunch, Psyko, Trick

 

 

MEDICHAM
Mix sweep @Orb life
(+atk/-def spé) 252 atk / 252 speed
Low Kick, Fire Punch, Psychic, Pain Split

> Pain Split best way to rekt Weezing

 

 

ARCANINE (Lead)
Phy Tank @Lefts
(+def/-speed) 220 hps / 252 def / 40 atk spé
Overheat, Ext.Spd, Mud-slap, Morning Sun

> Toxic miss a lot

 

 

Way 1 :

 

VAPOREON
Phy Tank @Lefts
(+def/-atk) 252 hps / 252 def
Surf, Hp Elec, Protect, Wish

 

+ PORYGON 2
Spe Tank @Lefts
(+def spé/-atk) 150 hps / 252 def spé / 100 atk spé
Ice Beam, Tri-attack or HP Ground, Toxic, Recover

 

 

Way 2 :

 

MILOTIC
Phy Tank @Lefts
(+def/-atk) 252 hps / 252 def
Surf, Hp Elec, Toxic, Recover

 

+ CLEFAIRY
Spe Tank @Orb Life or Lefts
(+def spé/-atk) 180 hps / 252 def spé / 70 atk spé

Ice Beam, Hyper Voice or T-wave, Protect, Wish

> Ice Beam vs Trapinch, Venu

 

 

 

Threats :

Swampert, Breloom, Kingdra DD

Edited November 14, 2016 by Aspiration