DoubleJ Posted October 22, 2016 Share Posted October 22, 2016 Ninja-edit: gwbead-Tyrone edition Typhlosion just fell from OU to UU and is already surrounded by controversy. Clearly, this new threat is meta defining, potentially fits offense uber characteristics and could become centralising/unhealthy; Typhlosion’s raw power is not something UU is used to. It can deal enormous amount of dmg thanks to stab Fire Blast/Eruption and to various boosts (Blaze, Sunny Day, Life Ball or Special Choice Band). For this reason, the standard “blanket” special walls of UU are incapable of safely walling Typhlosion. Most pokemons of the tier also have a hard time to switch on this threat since it is usually faster and has very good mixed coverage. Its wide movepool gives Typhlosion a lot of versatility and can easily surprise an unprepared opponent. Despite the wallbreaking and sweeping power of Typhlosion, this overwhelming pokemon is still hard countered by Calm Slowking (unless CB Tpunch) and Careful Miltank. Both these pokemons can handle Typhlosion with relative ease and capitalize on the switch with supporting moves such as Thunder Wave. Typhlosion seems to also struggle to come in play; very few UU pokemons are safe switch for Typhlosion. Furthermore, some prediction reliant defensive and offensive cores can check Typhlosion which is why we start to see more Lanturn, specially defensive Altaria, Omastar and Azumarill. The tier council would like to know what the community thinks of Typhlosion. Even though Kangaskhan is being test banned atm, we would like UU discussions and analysis to focus mainly on Typhlosion rather than the absence of Kangaskhan. When thinking about Typhlosion, is UU shaping up to be better or worse than before? Is Typhlosion too much for the current meta? Do not hesitate to quote / repost your thoughts about Typhlosion in this thread. Common movesets: Spoiler Typhlosion @ Special Choice Band | Swift Choice Band Ability: Blaze EVs: 252 SpAtk / 252 Spe Hasty | Naive | Mild | Rash ! Timid | Modest Nature - Eruption - Hidden Power Ice | Hidden Power Grass - Flamethrower | Fire Blast - Earthquake | Extrasensory Typhlosion @ Life Ball Ability: Blaze EVs: 252 SpAtk / 252 Spe Timid | Modest Nature - Sunny Day - Flamethrower | Fire Blast - Solar Beam - Hidden Power Ice Typhlosion @ Life Ball Ability: Blaze EVs: 252 SpAtk / 252 Spe Hasty | Naive | Mild | Rash Nature - Earthquake - Flamethrower | Fire Blast - Hidden Power Ice | Hidden Power Grass - Filler move Calcs: Spoiler Modest | Mild | Rash Typhlosion 252+ SpA Choice Specs Typhlosion Eruption (150 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Clefable: 144-171 (71.2 - 84.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery 252+ SpA Choice Specs Typhlosion Eruption (150 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Cradily: 128-152 (66.3 - 78.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery 252+ SpA Choice Specs Typhlosion Eruption (150 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Thick Fat Miltank: 84-100 (41.5 - 49.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery 252+ SpA Choice Specs Typhlosion Eruption (150 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Slowking: 63-75 (31.1 - 37.1%) -- guaranteed 4HKO after Leftovers recovery ShadowGary, SweeTforU, xStarr and 15 others 18 Link to comment
Mike Posted October 22, 2016 Share Posted October 22, 2016 Just get rid of it. T-Wave everything and sweep with specs typhlosion. 11/10 meta. More unhealthy than kangaskhan being everywhere. LifeStyle, Predakiller, DoubleJ and 6 others 9 Link to comment
LifeStyle Posted October 22, 2016 Share Posted October 22, 2016 Defensive Rapidash sucks ass, sorry gb xXBlu3BreathXx, SweeTforU, dsteel23 and 3 others 6 Link to comment
RysPicz Posted October 22, 2016 Share Posted October 22, 2016 HURR DURR THIS IS AGAINST TIERING POLICIES Hotarubi 1 Link to comment
DoubleJ Posted October 22, 2016 Author Share Posted October 22, 2016 Just now, RysPicz said: HURR DURR THIS IS AGAINST TIERING POLICIES stfu and say "ban it" Link to comment
BlackJovi Posted October 22, 2016 Share Posted October 22, 2016 (edited) finally a typhlosion discussion thread. good job tier council bros. Edited October 22, 2016 by BlackJovi xXBlu3BreathXx, Mike, Arimanius and 9 others 12 Link to comment
RysPicz Posted October 22, 2016 Share Posted October 22, 2016 Just now, DoubleJ said: stfu and say "ban it" I already said in the request thread what I think about typhlosion in UU nothing has changed since then, although, I personally wouldn't want to just ban it quickban when xXBlu3BreathXx 1 Link to comment
DoubleJ Posted October 22, 2016 Author Share Posted October 22, 2016 Just now, RysPicz said: I already said in the request thread what I think about typhlosion in UU nothing has changed since then, although, I personally wouldn't want to just ban it quickban when ty Today I ran 252/252+ SpDef Clefable + 252 HP Azumarill and a fucking Scarf Typhlosion with Eruption ran through my team. Weak as fuck Scarf broke my team with ease. Now I ask you this tier council, why is this thing still around? Or are we going to just keep saying everyone should run Calm Slowking? LifeStyle, Glueman, xStarr and 2 others 5 Link to comment
BlackJovi Posted October 22, 2016 Share Posted October 22, 2016 Just now, DoubleJ said: ty Today I ran 252/252+ SpDef Clefable + 252 HP Azumarill and a fucking Scarf Typhlosion with Eruption ran through my team. Weak as fuck Scarf broke my team with ease. Now I ask you this tier council, why is this thing still around? Or are we going to just keep saying everyone should run Calm Slowking? no dude, theres an obvious counter and its defensive rapidash bro. Rendiz, Glueman, DoubleJ and 2 others 5 Link to comment
DoubleJ Posted October 22, 2016 Author Share Posted October 22, 2016 Just now, BlackJovi said: no dude, theres an obvious counter and its defensive rapidash bro. Realistically speaking, no. Link to comment
pachima Posted October 22, 2016 Share Posted October 22, 2016 6 minutes ago, DoubleJ said: ty Today I ran 252/252+ SpDef Clefable + 252 HP Azumarill and a fucking Scarf Typhlosion with Eruption ran through my team. Weak as fuck Scarf broke my team with ease. Now I ask you this tier council, why is this thing still around? Or are we going to just keep saying everyone should run Calm Slowking? Snorlax, ez. Glueman, ShadowGary, DoubleJ and 2 others 5 Link to comment
fredrichnietze Posted October 22, 2016 Share Posted October 22, 2016 2 minutes ago, pachima said: Snorlax, ez. 0 Atk Typhlosion Low Kick (120 BP) vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Snorlax: 112-132 (41.9 - 49.4%) -- 24.6% chance to 2HKO after 1 layer of Spikes and Leftovers recovery assuming max spdef to better deal with eruption Crazyhell 1 Link to comment
BlackJovi Posted October 22, 2016 Share Posted October 22, 2016 8 minutes ago, DoubleJ said: Realistically speaking, no. plz bro, flash fire cant hit it with eruption, if ur bold max def u can stall it with toxic + morning sun as he EQs!!!! And its totally viable vs the whole other tier. Arimanius and Mike 2 Link to comment
pachima Posted October 22, 2016 Share Posted October 22, 2016 2 minutes ago, fredrichnietze said: 0 Atk Typhlosion Low Kick (120 BP) vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Snorlax: 112-132 (41.9 - 49.4%) -- 24.6% chance to 2HKO after 1 layer of Spikes and Leftovers recovery assuming max spdef to better deal with eruption Typhlosion Low Kick vs. Shedinja: 0-0 (0 - 0%) -- aim for the horn next time Sry, I meant shedinja. It laughs before the mighty typhlosion everytime it moves. except if he uses the rare fire type move 2 minutes ago, BlackJovi said: plz bro, flash fire cant hit it with eruption, if ur bold max def u can stall it with toxic + morning sun as he EQs!!!! And its totally viable vs the whole other tier. Actually ninetales is better for dat job and can actually stall typhlo and be useful for some other mons. Link to comment
BlackJovi Posted October 22, 2016 Share Posted October 22, 2016 1 minute ago, pachima said: Typhlosion Low Kick vs. Shedinja: 0-0 (0 - 0%) -- aim for the horn next time Sry, I meant shedinja. It laughs before the mighty typhlosion everytime it moves. Reveal hidden contents except if he uses the rare fire type move Actually ninetales is better for dat job and can actually stall typhlo and be useful for some other mons. oh yeah ninetales is a counter too, totally forgot. Hotarubi 1 Link to comment
xStarr Posted October 22, 2016 Share Posted October 22, 2016 (edited) First uu match in like months, regret it. Guy was just setting up twave for typho. Ez game Edited October 22, 2016 by xStarr Oh forgot LF BAN DoubleJ 1 Link to comment
RysPicz Posted October 22, 2016 Share Posted October 22, 2016 Just now, BlackJovi said: oh yeah ninetales is a counter too, totally forgot. Don't give them arguments Link to comment
Torinnnnn Posted October 22, 2016 Share Posted October 22, 2016 or u could just stop playing this cancer we call a tier Ace0902, Zymogen, DoubleJ and 3 others 6 Link to comment
BlackJovi Posted October 22, 2016 Share Posted October 22, 2016 Just now, RysPicz said: Don't give them arguments If they use that as argument that's just proves our point, we specifically have to run that to 'counter' typhlosion, notice my sarcasm here. Spoiler it's not a fucking counter Link to comment
pachima Posted October 22, 2016 Share Posted October 22, 2016 2 minutes ago, BlackJovi said: oh yeah ninetales is a counter too, totally forgot. Want another? Grumpig Link to comment
RysPicz Posted October 22, 2016 Share Posted October 22, 2016 Just now, BlackJovi said: If they use that as argument that's just proves our point, we specifically have to run that to 'counter' typhlosion, notice my sarcasm here. Hide contents it's not a fucking counter B-but Ninetales is legit in UU, it's even UU by usage Link to comment
BlackJovi Posted October 22, 2016 Share Posted October 22, 2016 Just now, RysPicz said: B-but Ninetales is legit in UU, it's even UU by usage oh yeah forgot about that one too. good catch. 1 minute ago, pachima said: Want another? Reveal hidden contents Grumpig True Link to comment
SweeTforU Posted October 22, 2016 Share Posted October 22, 2016 snore pig LifeStyle, Mike, DoubleJ and 8 others 11 Link to comment
pachima Posted October 22, 2016 Share Posted October 22, 2016 2 minutes ago, BlackJovi said: oh yeah forgot about that one too. good catch. True Still not convinced? miltank Link to comment
LifeStyle Posted October 22, 2016 Share Posted October 22, 2016 Bring doom back SirYurop, Kizhaz, DaftCoolio and 1 other 4 Link to comment
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