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Allowing low level pokemons in automated tournaments

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Having the best possible stats on a pokemon is not always a good thing. A Sceptile Leech Seed/Substitute with a low hp stat benefits more from the leech seed recovery than other Sceptiles and this allows the low HP Sceptile to stall the opponent to death more effectively. The same could be said about Life Ball pokemons; most of them prefer having a HP stat number that is divisible by 10 minus 1 in order to minimize the recoil damage from Life Ball. For instance, a Life Ball Haunter is arguably better with 28-29 iv HP rather than 30-31 since that means he will end up with 119 hp instead of 120. The Haunter will therefore take less recoil damage each turn. 

 

For this reason, I feel there should not be a pokemon level restriction for competitive automated tournaments and for matchmaking duels. This prevents players from using certain strategies that can only work with low level pokemons. Aron lvl 1 Sturdy Endeavor Shed Bell or Nosepass lvl 1 Sturdy Pain Split are 2 examples of pokemons that can't be used because of this level restriction.

 

However, there are some undeniable advantages to the pokemon level restriction in automated tournaments. Since there is a limited amount of players per tournament, it is important that the people participating are actually competitively ready. Imo, someone playing a lvl 36 wild raichu with no ev spread and bad ivs should not take the place of someone that would be able to compete. 

 

I think a good compromise between not allowing unprepared players in tournaments and not allowing certain strategies around low lvl pokemons could be to apply the pokemon level restriction only for the first round of automated tournaments.This way there would not be unprepared players in tournaments and players that make it pass the first round would be able to play low lvl pokemons if they wish.

 

tl;dr  Aron lvl 1 sweeps when?

Edited by gbwead

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8 hours ago, MisterHide said:

Allowing only level 1 pokemons might work too.

Fear is coming?

I kind of agree and disagree with this at the same time.

 

Pokemons have strengths and weaknesses. Sometimes people use the strengths of an opponent to its advantage. Pain Split is a move that does exactly that. A usually low hp pokemon uses Pain Split on a high hp pokemon in order to recover. However, if the high hp pokemon was actually a pokemon lvl 49 instead of lvl 50, this high hp pokemon would have taken more prior damage and would overall maybe not even be considered a "high hp" pokemon.

 

Another example would be lvl 49 Diglett being potentially better than a lvl 50 Diglett.

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200 BP Reversal range (under 4% HP remaining)

 

On this chart, it is possible to see that only a Diglett with 68 or 69 HP can switch on a Seismic Toss Chansey, use Substitute and get in the Reversal 200 BP range. Digletts with a higher HP stat than 69 can't get into the Reversal 200 BP range doing the exact same thing. Considering that Chansey doesn't get OHKO by Diglett using +1 Reversal (150 BP), but only by Diglett using +1 Reversal (200BP), it is imperative in order for Diglett to trap Chansey effectively to get in the 200 BP Reversal range.

 

It turns out that a lvl 50 Diglett (252 Atk / 252 Speed) has between 70 HP and 86 HP depending on IVs whereas a lvl 49 Diglett (252 Atk / 252 Speed) can get a 68 HP stat if 0 IV in HP. This implies that a lvl 49 Diglett is arguably better at trapping Chansey than a lvl 50 Diglett.

 

tl;dr I am just paying my respects to @RysPicz's Eliminator.

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Just now, Raederz said:

Why not, but inb4 Aron -> Uber

Or worse, people could start using some lvl 49 Chansey!!

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Must think about these storylines guys, who dun even know what OU means, clicking "sign in" when the tourn is announced :x

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Just now, Raederz said:

Must think about these storylines guys, who dun even know what OU means, clicking "sign in" when the tourn is announced :x

If the pokemon level restriction ONLY applies for the first round, this would not be a problem imo.

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