That Special Box \^.^/

[Keihatsu]

Ever want to transfer pokemon to another character on the same account but you don't have anyone you can trust to help you transfer them?

 

Well if we could have 1 box in our PC that would allow us to share pokemon on the same account between characters on the same account, then we wouldn't have to worry about being scammed when trying to trust someone to help transfer!

 

Make it something in the gift shop or not either way i believe we should have this option to help avoid being scammed.

[Bestfriends]

This suggestion has some good intent, but there is always the mailing system.

[Rigamorty]

6 minutes ago, Bestfriends said:

This suggestion has some good intent, but there is always the mailing system.

You can't send mail to a character on the same account.

[Bestfriends]

Just now, Rigamorty said:

You can't send mail to a character on the same account.

I do apologise for my wrongful mail assumption, however, I still believe this isn't going to happen. Staff have a negative view of alts (and has even made it harder for alts to survive), so I don't think that there is a special box system planned for alts.

[notmudkip0]

1 hour ago, Bestfriends said:

I do apologise for my wrongful mail assumption, however, I still believe this isn't going to happen. Staff have a negative view of alts (and has even made it harder for alts to survive), so I don't think that there is a special box system planned for alts.

This is for characters tied to a single account, not a completely different one. So If you made another character on your main account, you could share Pokemon, items, etc. without needing a middle man (friend you trust or alt) thanks to this PC box.

[Bestfriends]

1 hour ago, Rigamorty said:

You can't send mail to a character on the same account.

 

11 minutes ago, notmudkip0 said:

This is for characters tied to a single account, not a completely different one. So If you made another character on your main account, you could share Pokemon, items, etc. without needing a middle man (friend you trust or alt) thanks to this PC box.

My mind is pulling me directly to billiards. What you could do is you mail your alt from another account and then that alt mails that pokemon to the intended account (notmidkip0 was alluding to my point - "friend you trust or alt"). Staff frown upon alts (even in your main account), so I don't see this happening. If you do decide on making an alt, you should make another alt to compensate that alt (staff would like to complicate the process so that way, you won't depend on an alt).

[notmudkip0]

53 minutes ago, Bestfriends said:

Staff frown upon alts (even in your main account)

When was this ever brought up by staff? Also, if it was frowned upon to make other characters on the same account, why give players the option at all?

[Bestfriends]

9 minutes ago, notmudkip0 said:

When was this ever brought up by staff? Also, if it was frowned upon to make other characters on the same account, why give players the option at all?

Say you did a typo and you confirmed everything, but you decide at the last minute that this account is not tailored to your liking. Yes, you could spend reward points to reverse this, but it would take a lot of time and money. The staff of PokeMMO give you two more chances to change your character (so you won't be stuck with playing an account you hate to associate with). 

[notmudkip0]

5 minutes ago, Bestfriends said:

Say you did a typo and you confirmed everything, but you decide at the last minute that this account is not tailored to your liking. Yes, you could spend reward points to reverse this, but it would take a lot of time and money. The staff of PokeMMO give you two more chances to change your character (so you won't be stuck with playing an account you hate to associate with). 

So the only reason extra character slots exist is so you can make a nearly identical character in case you screw up? Yeah okay, t's not like anyone would ever want to play through the story again, or maybe do a nuzlocke or other challenge run. Nope, those slots are just for backup.

[Bestfriends]

Just now, notmudkip0 said:

So the only reason extra character slots exist is so you can make a nearly identical character in case you screw up? Yeah okay, t's not like anyone would ever want to play through the story again, or maybe do a nuzlocke or other challenge run. Nope, those slots are just for backup.

I appreciate you making my point for me. Since your making a nuzlocke or running through the story, wouldn't you want a truly "authentic" experience to the story instead of extra assistance.

[Otoya]

If you are scared about trust someone you don't know you have the GM team to help you.

They are not always available, but you can trust them for the transfer of stuff.

 

Of course your idea is nice. But at the moment it's not really usefull since we can count on the PokeMMO staff members.

[notmudkip0]

8 minutes ago, Bestfriends said:

I appreciate you making my point for me. Since your making a nuzlocke or running through the story, wouldn't you want a truly "authentic" experience to the story instead of extra assistance.

?????? What the hell do you mean by "extra assistance"? And I assume the "authentic" bit means single player only, either by using emulator or handheld, but some people want to socialize during a playthrough instead of playing alone. Hell, if everyone wanted the "authentic" experience, this MMO wouldn't exist.

[Keihatsu]

We would not need to make an alt on a different account to transfer our pokemon between characters on the same account if we had this transfer box option.

 

If staff frowns on people making several accounts, this would truly help deal with that issue.

 

So it seems in all cases this is a very good idea! :D

Edited August 28, 2016 by Noad
Please do not double post

[Bestfriends]

1 hour ago, notmudkip0 said:

?????? What the hell do you mean by "extra assistance"? And I assume the "authentic" bit means single player only, either by using emulator or handheld, but some people want to socialize during a playthrough instead of playing alone. Hell, if everyone wanted the "authentic" experience, this MMO wouldn't exist.

If your not exchanging pokemon with each other, that does not mean you cease all communication with people. I communicate with fellow players without asking for a pokemon or two. What I mean by "authentic" experience is that your not acquiring pokemon from an already experienced player. To me, effort is what counts. During your experiences, you can make friends that way. I can't tell you how many friends I gained through EV training and levelling. I guess you can say they are what you call "gym buddies."

[notmudkip0]

28 minutes ago, Bestfriends said:

If your not exchanging pokemon with each other, that does not mean you cease all communication with people. I communicate with fellow players without asking for a pokemon or two. What I mean by "authentic" experience is that your not acquiring pokemon from an already experienced player. To me, effort is what counts. During your experiences, you can make friends that way. I can't tell you how many friends I gained through EV training and levelling. I guess you can say they are what you call "gym buddies."

Because everyone is going to ask and beg for Pokemon from others upon starting a new account. No one wants to actually enjoy the story or do a challenge run, clearly everyone is only going to ask for free things. You act like players don't even bother putting in effort, but (surprise!) plenty of players put in effort. But hey, what do I know? 

[Bestfriends]

3 minutes ago, notmudkip0 said:

Because everyone is going to ask and beg for Pokemon from others upon starting a new account. No one wants to actually enjoy the story or do a challenge run, clearly everyone is only going to ask for free things. You act like players don't even bother putting in effort, but (surprise!) plenty of players put in effort. But hey, what do I know? 

Emphasis is good, but there is such a thing as too much emphasis. Here is an example of what I am referring to...

 

Bob debates his friend Sam about McDonald's Health Benefits through text messages:

 

Bob: "McDonald's has all these salads, so its healthy place to be."

 

Sam: "You know how much preservatives McDonald's adds to the salad to make it fresh?"

 

Bob: "McDonald's IS HEALTHY! Surprise! McDonald's has salad and not everyone there is overweight, so toda! McDonald's is HEALTHY!"

 

Emphasis is good, only if your use it in limited amounts (and having a lot of emphasis does not mean you have a good argument). Let me debate your point (without the excess amounts of emphasis): I am not saying that everyone is asking for free things, what I am saying though is that people can socialise without the need to acquire new pokemon. Newer players ask me for advise all the time, but here is what I mean by an "authentic experience," I can help guide you, but I will not give you tools, you will have to catch or buy them. Since you start a completely new character, you need to go on a "complete adventure" and if you need help, you can ask experienced players. You can also apply this example to Homework, if you do the homework, your experiences can build up for a good Test score. You can hire a tutor, but the tutor will not just say, "the answer is ....", he/she will help you figure it out.

[BigShotJoe]

Bestfriends, I don't know what point you're even trying to make here. From what I can tell, you're arguing that having a second and third character on an account is pointless because people only want to play one character, right? If so, that's just outright wrong. It's ignorant to think that nobody in the game would ever want to play two characters. I know several people myself that have multiple characters that they actively play, usually in order to be part of multiple teams. 

As for your point about making a new character because you got tired of or didn't like your old one, that is partially why the devs allow us to have three characters on a single account. Another reason, which branches off of that first one, is to save server space by not saving a new email, username, and password for every character made. 

People don't ask for free stuff on their second/third character because they already have everything they need on their first character, so that argument is just wrong. Your logic is so flawed it's mind-boggling. 

To get back on topic, Kat's idea seems like a very good one. Even games like Borderlands, which barely counts as an MMO, has a similar feature. I don't see any plausible reason for keeping this feature out of the game.

[Bestfriends]

41 minutes ago, BigShotJoe said:

Bestfriends, I don't know what point you're even trying to make here. From what I can tell, you're arguing that having a second and third character on an account is pointless because people only want to play one character, right? If so, that's just outright wrong. It's ignorant to think that nobody in the game would ever want to play two characters. I know several people myself that have multiple characters that they actively play, usually in order to be part of multiple teams. 

As for your point about making a new character because you got tired of or didn't like your old one, that is partially why the devs allow us to have three characters on a single account. Another reason, which branches off of that first one, is to save server space by not saving a new email, username, and password for every character made. 

People don't ask for free stuff on their second/third character because they already have everything they need on their first character, so that argument is just wrong. Your logic is so flawed it's mind-boggling. 

To get back on topic, Kat's idea seems like a very good one. Even games like Borderlands, which barely counts as an MMO, has a similar feature. I don't see any plausible reason for keeping this feature out of the game.

Good afternoon BigShotJoe, I hope your doing well, let me describe what I am trying to convey. If your purpose for making a second or third character is to play a new story, then it would take the fun away if you transfer pokes to your new account. If you play multiple characters in order to be in multiple teams, won't it be nice to have pokes tailored to that character. There are several competitive players who have multiple comps spread out to multiple accounts, so each account is not dependent on one another. There are ways to work things out instead of relying on one big hub box to exchange from one account to the next. Yes, its a huge convenience, but at the same time, staff would like for us to rely on our main accounts for things. My alts don't depend on my main character to help them develop. Am I the only guy with alts that can take care of themselves if need be? If you want your alts to be helped, then you will have to trust someone to transfer pokemon. I also know people who have two or three alts, but the alts have their own personality to them. I have nothing against the people I am debating, but we just see PokeMMO from a different lens. I believe that effort would pay off (and this suggestion goes against my belief because your relying on another account to help you through the game).

 

 

[BigShotJoe]

1 hour ago, Bestfriends said:

Good afternoon BigShotJoe, I hope your doing well, let me describe what I am trying to convey. If your purpose for making a second or third character is to play a new story, then it would take the fun away if you transfer pokes to your new account. If you play multiple characters in order to be in multiple teams, won't it be nice to have pokes tailored to that character. There are several competitive players who have multiple comps spread out to multiple accounts, so each account is not dependent on one another. There are ways to work things out instead of relying on one big hub box to exchange from one account to the next. Yes, its a huge convenience, but at the same time, staff would like for us to rely on our main accounts for things. My alts don't depend on my main character to help them develop. Am I the only guy with alts that can take care of themselves if need be? If you want your alts to be helped, then you will have to trust someone to transfer pokemon. I also know people who have two or three alts, but the alts have their own personality to them. I have nothing against the people I am debating, but we just see PokeMMO from a different lens. I believe that effort would pay off (and this suggestion goes against my belief because your relying on another account to help you through the game).

 

 

I'm not sure what all this has to do with whether or not this feature should be implemented. When someone starts a new character, it's often because they want to experience the same story with a slight twist. That twist usually comes in the form of using Pokemon that otherwise would not be available to them (starting the game with an Aerodactyl or Tentacool, for example). Sometimes a person wants to obtain a Pokemon from and NPC trade that they normally wouldn't be able to get yet. Maybe they are stuck on a particularly tough gym leader and don't want to catch and level a Pokemon to help them when they already have the perfect counter on their main account. Other times, they want to transfer Pokemon from the new character to their older one. Whether this be an unexpectedly good catch, a Pokemon they don't have in their Pokedex yet, or some other such abnormality. Whatever their reason, the bottom line is that the person who found the Pokemon being transferred is the same person that owns both characters. Is there really a reason to deny them the choice of how they want to play?

[Bestfriends]

1 minute ago, BigShotJoe said:

I'm not sure what all this has to do with whether or not this feature should be implemented. When someone starts a new character, it's often because they want to experience the same story with a slight twist. That twist usually comes in the form of using Pokemon that otherwise would not be available to them (starting the game with an Aerodactyl or Tentacool, for example). Sometimes a person wants to obtain a Pokemon from and NPC trade that they normally wouldn't be able to get yet. Maybe they are stuck on a particularly tough gym leader and don't want to catch and level a Pokemon to help them when they already have the perfect counter on their main account. Other times, they want to transfer Pokemon from the new character to their older one. Whether this be an unexpectedly good catch, a Pokemon they don't have in their Pokedex yet, or some other such abnormality. Whatever their reason, the bottom line is that the person who found the Pokemon being transferred is the same person that owns both characters. Is there really a reason to deny them the choice of how they want to play?

That choice will be left for the developers to decide, but I am going to respectfully disagree with your assessment. Yes, having a pokemon that you couldn't obtain is fun in the short term, but when you complete the game, there is a slight chance you could have a feeling of guilt. This might turn into a feeling that will make you think that you didn't deserve to beat Kanto or Hoenn because you went against the natural order. I mean if you want to do this, you can trust someone else to help you with the transfer instead of letting PokeMMO do this. I am a believer in effort instead of handouts (I love economics) and this box suggestion is all about handouts from one of your more experienced accounts. The idea was well intended, but it would unintentionally sabotage your natural story line which in turn would dry out all the fun in it.

[Gunthug]

1 minute ago, Bestfriends said:

That choice will be left for the developers to decide, but I am going to respectfully disagree with your assessment. Yes, having a pokemon that you couldn't obtain is fun in the short term, but when you complete the game, there is a slight chance you could have a feeling of guilt. This might turn into a feeling that will make you think that you didn't deserve to beat Kanto or Hoenn because you went against the natural order. I mean if you want to do this, you can trust someone else to help you with the transfer instead of letting PokeMMO do this. I am a believer in effort instead of handouts (I love economics) and this box suggestion is all about handouts from one of your more experienced accounts. The idea was well intended, but it would unintentionally sabotage your natural story line which in turn would dry out all the fun in it.

You said in your first post that you can easily mail from your main to an alternate account, and then mail it to your alternate character on your main account. So like this:

 

Main Account:

 

Character A, B, and C

 

Alternate account:

 

Character X, Y, Z

 

This thread is aiming to allow A, B, and C to share a box. You are saying this is a bad idea - but without this "shared box," people are forced to create Alternate accounts, trade from A to X, and then from X to B. So basically, you are contributing to the main problem devs are having - the pointless creation of alternate accounts. Cmon bestfriends, why are you trying to contribute to the devs problem?

 

[Bestfriends]

1 minute ago, Gunthug said:

You said in your first post that you can easily mail from your main to an alternate account, and then mail it to your alternate character on your main account. So like this:

 

Main Account:

 

Character A, B, and C

 

Alternate account:

 

Character X, Y, Z

 

This thread is aiming to allow A, B, and C to share a box. You are saying this is a bad idea - but without this "shared box," people are forced to create Alternate accounts, trade from A to X, and then from X to B. So basically, you are contributing to the main problem devs are having - the pointless creation of alternate accounts. Cmon bestfriends, why are you trying to contribute to the devs problem?

 

My point, was that the process right now is so tangled to the point where it becomes discouraging for people who want to form an alt empire. Think of these as bumps in the road for your typical alt maker.

[Gunthug]

5 minutes ago, Bestfriends said:

My point, was that the process right now is so tangled to the point where it becomes discouraging for people who want to form an alt empire. Think of these as bumps in the road for your typical alt maker.

It's not preventing people from making alts though - it's accomplishing the opposite. So again, your insistence on the devs not making this shared account box is actually harming the game by forcing people to create alternate accounts. And all because YOU think it's "unpure" to run an alt account by only using your own pokemon. Should we shut off the GTL for new characters, too? That way they can't buy cheap high level pokemon to help them run through the game?

[BigShotJoe]

32 minutes ago, Bestfriends said:

That choice will be left for the developers to decide, but I am going to respectfully disagree with your assessment. Yes, having a pokemon that you couldn't obtain is fun in the short term, but when you complete the game, there is a slight chance you could have a feeling of guilt. This might turn into a feeling that will make you think that you didn't deserve to beat Kanto or Hoenn because you went against the natural order. I mean if you want to do this, you can trust someone else to help you with the transfer instead of letting PokeMMO do this. I am a believer in effort instead of handouts (I love economics) and this box suggestion is all about handouts from one of your more experienced accounts. The idea was well intended, but it would unintentionally sabotage your natural story line which in turn would dry out all the fun in it.

You are basing your argument on the idea that everyone feels the way you do. You, believe it or not, are an abnormality, a minority, if you will. Only a very few people feel that using Pokemon they caught on their main character to run through the game on a new character is cheating or not fun. From what I can tell, your entire argument is that some people will possibly have a feeling of guilt which, by the way, is absolutely preposterous to assume that a single person can know how the majority of people's minds and feelings work. Believe me, I've been studying said subjects for years. There is no way you could speak for everyone on the subject. 

[Bestfriends]

36 minutes ago, Gunthug said:

It's not preventing people from making alts though - it's accomplishing the opposite. So again, your insistence on the devs not making this shared account box is actually harming the game by forcing people to create alternate accounts. And all because YOU think it's "unpure" to run an alt account by only using your own pokemon. Should we shut off the GTL for new characters, too? That way they can't buy cheap high level pokemon to help them run through the game?

Complication could drive away people from using this feature. I mentioned in an earlier post: "I will help and guide you, but you will need to capture or buy the tools." I think that Global Trade Link is great because your working for an end goal (which is that pokemon you want to buy). I would actually promote GTL for economic purposes.

 

12 minutes ago, BigShotJoe said:

You are basing your argument on the idea that everyone feels the way you do. You, believe it or not, are an abnormality, a minority, if you will. Only a very few people feel that using Pokemon they caught on their main character to run through the game on a new character is cheating or not fun. From what I can tell, your entire argument is that some people will possibly have a feeling of guilt which, by the way, is absolutely preposterous to assume that a single person can know how the majority of people's minds and feelings work. Believe me, I've been studying said subjects for years. There is no way you could speak for everyone on the subject. 

I am a abnormality or a minority, that's an interesting way to put it. I was chatting with some people about this thread and I seriously think that the developers plan on implementing this feature right away, due to the amount of outrage I am receiving from all over. Even if someone in game calls me an idiot, that does not deviate from my opinion that people should work for their goods instead of receiving handouts through experienced accounts. I don't think that this would be good for the game economically speaking, but since people are extremely adamant about this feature, I can say that the chances of this feature being implemented turned from about 40% to an 86% certainty.

 

 

 

 

 

Since this feature has a high chance of being implemented, there is no point in me debating this point any longer. I am going to resign from this discussion. Have a nice morning/afternoon/evening/night.

[Gilan]

or... you know.... they could just let characters on the same account mail eachother... lmao.