codylramey Posted September 11, 2016 Share Posted September 11, 2016 p2 and gard can both switch in on and kill jolt easily. Venue makes pretty light work of him alos (although idk if he has lifeball how he does). Espy and zam are usually pretty well taken care of by umbreon if no signal beam or metagross if no hidden power. They are also pursuit trapped. All of them can becked by a scarf physical attacker. Miltank and arcanine can somewhat come in on these things and threaten them too. Thats with out even mentioning chansey. Link to comment
gbwead Posted September 11, 2016 Share Posted September 11, 2016 2 hours ago, SpartacusGD said: if no snorlax, how do you stop growth jolt from rampaging? swiftcb (revenge kill only cause cant switch), p2, gard Swampert + Flygon P2, like you mentionned Gardevoir, like you mentionned Venusaur We also have a ton of gimmicks that can handle it: Cradily Shedinja Lanturn (if hp ice) Nidoqueen Meganium Piloswine (if hp ice) Camerupt Thanks to Swift CB like you mentionned, we have so many RK available. Let's also not forget that Jolteon's bulk isn't that great and it takes 65% minimum from Linoone Espeed. 2 hours ago, SpartacusGD said: cm lifeball espeon/zam + trapinch? swiftcb(revenge kill only cause cant switch) only i guess Sassy Arcanine is pretty good here. We have seen people in the past run Chansey Substitute to avoid getting killed byTrapinch. This implies that Chansey is not 100% vulnerable to that combo. Alakazam/Espeon sweeping potential depends on their Hidden Power. If they go HP Ground to kill Houndoom, Careful Forretress Pin Missile will stop them cold. Skarmory will also be a pain to deal with. If they go HP Fire, Houndoom will just walk all over them. Revenge killing Alakazam is quite easy since its bulk is so pitiful. Link to comment
SpartacusGD Posted September 11, 2016 Share Posted September 11, 2016 so basically forcing gimmicks into OU is healthy? i mean ginmicks means they dont always work LifeStyle 1 Link to comment
gbwead Posted September 11, 2016 Share Posted September 11, 2016 Just now, SpartacusGD said: so basically forcing gimmicks into OU is healthy? i mean ginmicks means they dont always work 3 hours ago, gbwead said: Swampert + Flygon P2, like you mentionned Gardevoir, like you mentionned Venusaur Those are not gimmicks. Everything starts off as a gimmick anyways. Venusaur Growth, Trapinch, Block Feraligatr, Thunderbolt Gyarados, Cacturne, Haunter, they were all gimmicks that had a significant impact on the OU metagame at one point or another; some are still gimmick today (most of them are unviable in the Lax meta tbh). SirYurop 1 Link to comment
pachima Posted September 11, 2016 Share Posted September 11, 2016 6 hours ago, SpartacusGD said: cm lifeball espeon/zam + trapinch? swiftcb(revenge kill only cause cant switch) only i guess so u are saying snorlax can come in against espeon/zam + trapinch? In my pokemmo, trapinch can trap lax and ohko it with superpower. Also, houndoom says hi. For jolteon, hp ice gets walled by some swamps, while grass gets walled by venu. Link to comment
pachima Posted September 11, 2016 Share Posted September 11, 2016 11 minutes ago, SpartacusGD said: so basically forcing gimmicks into OU is healthy? i mean ginmicks means they dont always work actually, against snorlax, those what you called gimmicks are the most reliable answer for it, so lol. Link to comment
gbwead Posted September 11, 2016 Share Posted September 11, 2016 Just now, pachima said: so u are saying snorlax can come in against espeon/zam + trapinch? In my pokemmo, trapinch can trap lax and ohko it with superpower. Also, houndoom says hi. For jolteon, hp ice gets walled by some swamps, while grass gets walled by venu. I'm not 100% sure, but I think Venusaur also wins against Jolteon HP Ice. Giga Drain gives a lot of offensive recovery to Venusaur. Life Orb recoil damage is also problematic for Jolteon. Link to comment
SpartacusGD Posted September 11, 2016 Share Posted September 11, 2016 i mean they have different counters. not like people will run houndoom, venusaur, swampert, flygon in same team all the time lol Link to comment
gbwead Posted September 11, 2016 Share Posted September 11, 2016 The reality is that people right now have to run 3 Snorlax counters and they still have a decent chance of losing because of what Snorlax can do. In order to counter Alakazam + Trapinch + Jolteon, you only need Arcanine + Venusaur. Porygon2 with Double-Edge + Ice Beam might have a little bit of trouble against Alakazam, but it remains amazing against all 3 of these threaths. Chansey Substitute + Softboiled + Toxic + Seismic Toss will also win against these 3 unless we are talking about a Toxic/Rest Trapinch that no one runs beside me. I don't believe for a second that the Laxless is going to be more unhealthy than what we have right now. Hotarubi and kevola 2 Link to comment
codylramey Posted September 11, 2016 Share Posted September 11, 2016 Laxless meta was imo one of the healthiest metas. We only got to see a little bit of laxless meta with orb, scarf, specs b4 the ubers came in and i only played a little bit of the lax meta tou guys are in now but from what i saw OU is a lot better off w/o lax. Hotarubi 1 Link to comment
NikhilR Posted September 11, 2016 Share Posted September 11, 2016 48 minutes ago, gbwead said: The reality is that people right now have to run 3 Snorlax counters and they still have a decent chance of losing because of what Snorlax can do. In order to counter Alakazam + Trapinch + Jolteon, you only need Arcanine + Venusaur. Porygon2 with Double-Edge + Ice Beam might have a little bit of trouble against Alakazam, but it remains amazing against all 3 of these threaths. Chansey Substitute + Softboiled + Toxic + Seismic Toss will also win against these 3 unless we are talking about a Toxic/Rest Trapinch that no one runs beside me. I don't believe for a second that the Laxless is going to be more unhealthy than what we have right now. No need for sub Chansey, Shed Shell one is the new meta. gbwead 1 Link to comment
codylramey Posted September 11, 2016 Share Posted September 11, 2016 Are people actually running shed she'll on chansy Link to comment
NikhilR Posted September 11, 2016 Share Posted September 11, 2016 5 minutes ago, codylramey said: Are people actually running shed she'll on chansy Nope, but they will if lax gets banned. xXBlu3BreathXx 1 Link to comment
BlackJovi Posted September 11, 2016 Share Posted September 11, 2016 2 minutes ago, NikhilR said: Nope, but they will if lax gets banned. actually, ive started to see some, even in OU ranked match making. New meta confirmed Link to comment
codylramey Posted September 11, 2016 Share Posted September 11, 2016 It would be good if that happened bc that would lessen chanseys stayability which makes her a lot less cancer than she normally is. Also it would make ppl think twice about running trap mons. gbwead 1 Link to comment
DoubleJ Posted September 11, 2016 Share Posted September 11, 2016 The return of @codylramey Link to comment
Quint Posted September 11, 2016 Share Posted September 11, 2016 3 minutes ago, DoubleJ said: The return of @codylramey Please no. BlackJovi 1 Link to comment
codylramey Posted September 11, 2016 Share Posted September 11, 2016 19 minutes ago, Quint said: Please no. Who are you? Also im w8ing to see if lax gets banned b4 i return. He made OU no fun for me. Hotarubi 1 Link to comment
soyhector Posted September 11, 2016 Share Posted September 11, 2016 I think snorlax must be Uber again. Its too strong for Ou. The duels turns boring and depends on the luck with Snorlax. I have lost lots of duels that i could win 6-0 becuase Body Slams that paralize my pokemons and also hits critic. Snorlax with 1 Curse can defeat like the 90% of Sweepers or Tanks. Its dificult to stop it, because it can lern Surf, Fireblast, and a lot of moves that can make big damage to Walls. Special Sweepers are useless against Snorlax, and it can trap them with Pursuit. It is stronger than Tyranitar, Dragonite, Salamance, Blyssey, Gengar and Dugtrio... Hotarubi 1 Link to comment
DoubleJ Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 Please make a decision before September 26th when the PSL starts its first week. #banlaxtokeepswagjoltfrombeingathing aftershocker, xilias, Hotarubi and 1 other 4 Link to comment
Viking Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 without the best phisical attackers like TTar salamence dragonite (promoting a super offensive playstyle) , snorlax litteraly shits on the OU tier, it doesnt fear almost anything. Imo if snorlax has its place on the OU, TTar Salamence and Dragonite have it too. Also Dugtrio was uguu counter to lax but it's unbelieveble it's didnt go down with lax. I think lax is on the same rank with many ubers so bring em back or remove snorlax. Hotarubi 1 Link to comment
xilias Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 11 hours ago, DoubleJ said: #banlaxtokeepswagjoltfrombeingathing It's too late,too late :'( gbwead 1 Link to comment
DoubleJ Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 2 minutes ago, xilias said: It's too late,too late :'( I cry with you gbwead 1 Link to comment
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LifeStyle Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 58 minutes ago, LegendP said: BANEEN YA LA MIERDA JODER FUCKING BAN IT ITS A STUPID FAT ITS TO OVER POWERED PLS OMG I HATE IT A LOT LOL PLS :) Well it is pretty fat and stupid, but it also has feelings Suneet, xilias, SirYurop and 3 others 6 Link to comment
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