Balance Horde (Special Attack EV training)

[Uncandango]

Hey guys, this suggestion is to balance Special Attack EV training.

Currently Special Attack EV training falls behind by A LOT compared to ALL others stats.

 

Using the following data we can average the EV yielded per horde (sample sizes are 30 hordes/spot and remember that RNG is involved, yet it is enough to see discrepancies):

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Attack

MT EMBER INTERIOR 2F
3 machop 2 machoke (3)
2 machop 3 machoke (7)
1 machop 4 machoke (13)
0 machop 5 machoke (7)
avg EV: 8,8/horde

 

Special Defense

TRAINER TOWER (Surfing)
4 tentacool 1 tentacruel (1)
3 tentacool 2 tentacruel (3)
2 tentacool 3 tentacruel (13)
0 tentacool 5 tentacruel (1)
5 mantine (12)
avg EV: 8,7/horde

 

Defense

MAGMA HIDEOUT
5 geodude 0 graveler - 4
4 geodude 1 graveler - 17
3 geodude 2 graveler - 5
2 geodude 3 graveler - 4
avg:6,3

 

KANTO VICTORY ROAD
2 machop 3 machoke - 2
1 graveler 4 onix - 1
3 graveler 2 onix - 1
1 marowak 1 graveler 3 onix - 1
1 marowak 2 graveler 2 onix - 2
2 marowak 1 graveler 2 onix - 2
2 marowak 2 graveler 1 onix - 1
3 marowak 2 onix - 2
3 marowak 1 graveler 1 onix - 2
5 sandslash - 16
avg:8,5

 

Hit Points

DESERT UNDERPASS
3 whismur 2 loudred - 4
2 whismur 3 loudred - 9
1 whismur 4 loudred - 11
0 whismur 5 loudred - 6
avg:8,6

 

Speed

FIVE ISLE MEADOW
4 pidgey 1 pidgeotto - 1
3 pidgey 2 pidgeotto - 1
2 pidgey 3 pidgeotto - 5
2 meowth 3 persian - 3
1 pidgey 4 pidgeotto - 6
1 meowth 4 persian - 6
0 meowth 5 persian - 5
0 pidgey 5 pidgeotto - 3
avg:8,8

 

Special Attack

METEOR FALLS 1F 2R (Night Only)
2 lunatone 3 solrock - 1
4 lunatone 1 solrock - 1
5 lunatone - 14
5 golbat - 14
avg: 5,06

 

CAPE BRINK (Surfing)
5 psyduck 0 golduck - 4
4 psyduck 1 golduck - 3
3 psyduck 2 golduck - 7
2 psyduck 3 golduck - 3
1 slowpoke 4 slowbro - 3
2 slowpoke 3 slowbro - 6
3 slowpoke 2 slowbro - 4
avg:3,7

 

MT EMBER RUBY PATH B3F
5 slugma - 100%
avg: 5

 

LOST CAVE
4 gastly 1 haunter - 1
3 gastly 2 haunter - 3
2 gastly 3 haunter - 16
5 golbat - 10
avg: 5,166

To summarize the average EV earned per horde (best spots only):

 

HP: 8,6 (Near to PC)

Att: 8,8 (Far, needs Leppa/Elixir)

Def: 8,5 (Near to PC)

Sp. Att: 5,16 (Far, needs Leppa/Elixir)

Sp. Def: 8,7 (Near to PC)

Speed: 8,8 (Near to PC)

 

So, currently Sp. Att takes around 70% more time to train then others stats, and if you count only near to PC spots, it takes 135% longer.

 

If someone knows a better place to train Special Attack, please tell me that I will check the average EV and update here.

 

Thanks.

[pachima]

18 hours ago, Kyu said:

No?

 

OLD 1.121:
30% Heracross +2 ATK
30% Ledyba +1 SP_DEF
40% Spinarak +1 ATK

 

NEW 1.121:
50% Heracross +2 ATK
50% Beautifly +3 SP_ATK

 

You had a 70% chance to gain +(1|2) with a preference to +1, which reduces average to ~1.4/ea. Now you have a 50% chance to gain +2 which, after the % decrease, should result in a slightly higher average ATK gain.

this sounds faker than a cabriole submarine. In 8 hordes there, 8 beautifly hordes, not even an horn seen. Great for special attack ev train but rip attack without leppas.

[Raederz]

13 minutes ago, pachima said:

this sounds faker than a cabriole submarine. In 8 hordes there, 8 beautifly hordes, not even an horn seen. Great for special attack ev train but rip attack without leppas.

I sometimes do Route 23 without berries

[JS6786]

A related aside, would someone want to update the guides for EV training to reflect this new information?

[Raederz]

On 20/08/2016 at 5:40 PM, pachima said:

this sounds faker than a cabriole submarine. In 8 hordes there, 8 beautifly hordes, not even an horn seen. Great for special attack ev train but rip attack without leppas.

Not that fake, I did only 6 hordes, got 5 Hera 1 Beauti.