Xatu Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 (edited) Hey everyone here on the forums! So I have created a new metagame meant to bring attention to pokemon who would normally never be used under any circumstances. It also gives more value to wildcatches. I hope you guys like it I have played around with the idea for years and I finally decided to finalize the roster. Enjoy! [BM] - Bottom Meta Rules and Restrictions Every Pokemons level MUST be level 15 Mons may ONLY learn LEVEL UP MOVES Evasion increasing and accuracy reducing moves are BANNED - Use of those moves will result in an immediate loss A team of 3 Pokemon MUST be used The Pokemon must be a WILD CATCH ONLY Hold items may be used - Use of a banned item(s) will result in an immediate loss EV training is allowed but ONLY 32 EV's are permitted in ONLY ONE STAT. - This will award 1 stat point increase Pichu, Cleffa, and Azurill are the ONLY Pokemon allowed to be made through BREEDING. HOWEVER they MUST be bred with INTENTIONALLY LOW IVS. Pichu, Cleffa and Azurill are only allowed a MAXIMUM of 90 IV points in total. No egg moves are permitted. Besides moves listed in the moves lists below. Any Egg moves taught must be covered up with level up moves Banned Pokemon: Sunkern. Reason: Too OP. Banned Moves: Sand attack, double team Banned Items: Berry Juice, Lax incense, Sitrus berry List of Clauses: OHKO/Species/OP Item/Evasion/Self KO/Accuracy/Sleep Legal [BM] Pokemon Azurill Wurmple Weedle Caterpie Ralts Magikarp Silcoon Pichu Metapod Kakuna Cascoon Tyrogue Cleffa Seedot Why this tier exists. Reason 1: To make Pokemon who would never get any sort of competitive use actually useful for once. And put them on and equal level so that a caterpie can compete with any other mon in the tier. Reason 2: To make a meta where it doesnt take for-fucking-ever to make a actually viable team. Reason 3: To give noobs a way to compete and earn yen in battle without having to put 200+ hours into the game Reason 4: To give wild catches more value by having a tier where there can only be wild catches. When: July 1st 2016 @ 5:00PM PST Where: Pewter City Flower Box Channel 1 Prizes: 1st Place: 350k 2nd Place: 150k Entry: 15k mailed prior to the event. IGN: Xatu This will be used only to supplement the cost of the prizes and not provide me with any profit whatsoever. Registration starts now and ends when the day of the tournament. Post in this thread with your IGN and I will add you to the list of players/reserves. Your name will be in red until I have received the entry fee. 8/16/32 Player Single Elimination Players: 1. Blackjovi 2. Camyy 3. xCaptainAwesome 4. Vorred 5. KingBowser 6. SirDusty 7. TheFireLion 8. Torrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr 9. DaftRetro 10. OrangeManiac 11. Parke 12. sfSkump 13. Predakiller 14. Eggplant 15. Misterhide 16. Schleep 17. gbwead 18. ElTrumpio 19. 20. 21. 22. 23. 24. 25. 26. 27. 28. 29. 30. 31. 32. How to make a team in 10 minutes: Option 1: Buy off the gtl. simply search for the desired mon you want with the desire nature you want. Quickly check that it is a wild catch to make sure that it is legal. Option 2: Go catch them! this one is pretty self explanatory and in order to get the proper nature you want i would suggest using a pokemon with synchronize. Regarding Cleffa and Pichu and Azurill Simply search for a pikachu/clefairy/Marill with under 90 BST and the proper nature using the GTL. Then find a suitable ditto/pokemon in their egg group that also has less then 90 bst. Using those 2 pokemon you should be able to breed a legal pichu or cleffa in 1 breed every time. You can also search for a pichu or cleffa directly on the GTL with the nature you want Regarding EV training Get your 32 EVs right away from a low level Pokemon to make sure you dont go over level 15. Hoardes are not recommended. You may have loose EVs in other stats by "accident" but any stat with over 15 EV's that isnt your 32 EV stat will result in a disqualification. Best Spots to EV Train for BM HP: Caterpie @ Viridian Forest Attack: Paras @ Mt. Moon Defense: Metapod/Kakuna @ Viridian Forest Sp. Attack: TBA Sp. Defense: TBA Speed: Pidgey @ Rt. 1 List of All Possible MovesetsSunkern - absorb, growth, mega drain, ingrain, grass whistle, leech seed Azurill - charm, tail whip, bubble, splash, bubblebeam, water sport, Wurmple - string shot, tackle, poison sting Weedle - posion sting, string shot Caterpie - tackle, string shot Ralts - growl, confusion, teleport, double team Magikarp - tackle, splash Silcoon - string shot, tackle, poison sting, harden Pichu - charm, thunder shock, tail whip, sweet kiss Metapod - tackle, string shot, harden Kakuna - poison sting, string shot, harden Cascoon - string shot, tackle, poison sting, harden Tyrogue - tackle, helping hand, fake out, foresight Cleffa - charm, pound, encore, sing, sweet kiss Seedot - bide, harden, growth, nature power Crossed out moves signify that they have no competitive use and/or are banned. [Ban Announcement] Sunkern banned from BM Sunkern Type: Grass Ability: Chlorophyll Tier: BM BST: HP: 30 Attack: 30 Defense: 30 Sp. Atk: 30 Sp. Def: 30 Speed: 30 Sunkern has been dominating BM for a while (~1 day). A 30 base spattack stat, 2 valuable grass stab moves and 6 possible moves are precisely what a glass cannon like Sunkern needs to break everything in its path. Getting a perfect coverage on Sunkern is no hard task when you have access to moves like Mega Drain (stab), Absorb (stab),if pp run out and Leech Seed. Besides Wurmple, Weedle, Caterpie, Silcoon, Kakuna, Cascoon and Seedot there is no Pokemon that can resist Mega Drain. Bug/Poison types are hardly a problem since they usually have bad spdef and take significant dmg from stab move regardless of their 1/4 resistance. Besides Wurmple, Weedle, Silcoon, Kakuna and Cascoon, Poison types don't learn Poison Sting. They have also no way to heal themselves. Megadrain destroys all water types in BM. As for Grass, Bug and Poison Types, they take tons of damage from Leech Seed. Basically, Sunkern seems to have no real counter. Some would think that Sunkern can't sweep because Wurmple, Weedle, Silcoon, Kakuna and Cascoon can kill it at any time. However, killing Sunkern is not that simple. Grass Whistle gives crazy momentum and allows it to heal back up with Ingrain/Leech Seed. Killing becomes nearly impossible when that happens. A missed Grass Whistle can somehow help, but never underestimate the power of 55% accurancy. For these reasons, the BM Tier Council considers Sunkern too much for BM and has decided to ban it. Movesets: Items: Miracle Seed EV's: 32 spatk (for tons of damage) Mega Drain Leech Seed Grass Whistle Ingrain (but seriously, every set, like a Growth set, can work here) Calcs: Couldn't find Mega Drain on Showdown, so used Smogon, level of Pokemon is 15: 32 SpA Miracle Seed Sunkern Mega Drain vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Magikarp: 30-36 (85.7% - 102.9%) with Life Ball: 32-38 (91.4% - 108.6%) with Special Choiceband: 32-42 (91.4% - 120%) 32 SpA Miracle Seed Sunkern Mega Drain vs. 32 HP Silcoon 6-8 (13.3% - 17.8%) We see here that Sunkern has a slight chance to OHKO a Magikarp and also does substantial damage to a possible 'counter'. -thanks to Gruul for the write-up Edited June 26, 2016 by Xatu Link to comment
gbwead Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 Constructive criticism: 24 minutes ago, Xatu said: Sunkern - absorb, growth, mega drain Spoiler 27 minutes ago, Xatu said: Azurill - charm, tail whip, bubble, slam, splash Spoiler 27 minutes ago, Xatu said: Caterpie - poison sting, string shot Metapod - posion sting, string shot, harden Spoiler 27 minutes ago, Xatu said: Pichu - charm, thunder shock, tail whip, thunder wave, sweet kiss Spoiler I want to add that I don't need to try playing this tier to know I won't like it. If a drug dealer tells me: "You won't know if you like Cocain until you try it". I am still not going to try it. If you post something publicly, you should be ready to receive negative feedback. I have not insulted you, so please don't victimise yourself. On the other hand, you have been quite condescending toward the comp players of this community. For instance, you said previously that you wanted to "encourage people to care less about ivs etc and focus more on the actual gameplay not just eugenicssimulator 2017". We know what actual gameplay is. Don't look down upon us. You have the right to post this thread and we have the right to dislike the content of this thread. Laz, Gunthug, BlackJovi and 6 others 9 Link to comment
raaidn Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 wtf is this thread a troll? notmudkip0, ShadowGary, Camyy and 1 other 4 Link to comment
Kurodashi Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 IGN: Blackjovi BlackJovi and Tritios 2 Link to comment
BlackJovi Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 36 minutes ago, raaidn said: wtf is this thread a troll? what else could it be Link to comment
BlackJovi Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 IGN: KingBowser KingBowser, ShadowGary, TheNightArch and 1 other 4 Link to comment
Rigamorty Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 Are wild pichu even a thing? Link to comment
BurntZebra Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 iirc feebas could only be caught at level 30, so I don't think there's a reason to include it currently Link to comment
BurntZebra Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 IGN: Vorred also ban sunkern, too op Vorred 1 Link to comment
Camyy Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 (edited) huhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh??? Edited June 20, 2016 by Camyy TheNightArch and LifeStyle 2 Link to comment
KaynineXL Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 IGN: Thistierisapieceofshit ShadowGary, BlackJovi, SamuraiHunter and 2 others 5 Link to comment
Torinnnnn Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 ign Torrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr Link to comment
DaftCoolio Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 ign: DaftRetro Kizhaz, SirDusty, Parke and 5 others 8 Link to comment
dedegendut Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 Ign instagramlol DaftCoolio 1 Link to comment
Kizhaz Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 More like BS DaftCoolio and BlackJovi 2 Link to comment
OrangeManiac Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 IGN Parke This thread is something next level 9 hours ago, Xatu said: 9. DaftRetro im ded RysPicz, DaftCoolio, Parke and 2 others 5 Link to comment
NikhilR Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 I lol'd at Sunkern being banned to ubers. gbwead, RysPicz and KaynineXL 3 Link to comment
Predakiller Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 IGN: Predakiller gbwead 1 Link to comment
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