Gruul Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 (edited) [Ban Announcement] Sunkern banned from BM Sunkern Type: Grass Ability: Chlorophyll Tier: BM BST: HP: 30 Attack: 30 Defense: 30 Sp. Atk: 30 Sp. Def: 30 Speed: 30 Sunkern has been dominating BM for a while (~1 day). A 30 base spattack stat, 2 valuable grass stab moves and 6 possible moves are precisely what a glass cannon like Sunkern needs to break everything in its path. Getting a perfect coverage on Sunkern is no hard task when you have access to moves like Mega Drain (stab), Absorb (stab),if pp run out and Leech Seed. Besides Wurmple, Weedle, Caterpie, Silcoon, Kakuna, Cascoon and Seedot there is no Pokemon that can resist Mega Drain. Bug/Poison types are hardly a problem since they usually have bad spdef and take significant dmg from stab move regardless of their 1/4 resistance. Besides Wurmple, Weedle, Silcoon, Kakuna and Cascoon, Poison types don't learn Poison Sting. They have also no way to heal themselves. Megadrain destroys all water types in BM. As for Grass, Bug and Poison Types, they take tons of damage from Leech Seed. Basically, Sunkern seems to have no real counter. Some would think that Sunkern can't sweep because Wurmple, Weedle, Silcoon, Kakuna and Cascoon can kill it at any time. However, killing Sunkern is not that simple. Grass Whistle gives crazy momentum and allows it to heal back up with Ingrain/Leech Seed. Killing becomes nearly impossible when that happens. A missed Grass Whistle can somehow help, but never underestimate the power of 55% accurancy. For these reasons, the BM Tier Council considers Sunkern too much for BM and has decided to ban it. Movesets: Items: Miracle Seed EV's: 32 spatk (for tons of damage) Mega Drain Leech Seed Grass Whistle Ingrain (but seriously, every set, like a Growth set, can work here) Calcs: Couldn't find Mega Drain on Showdown, so used Smogon, level of Pokemon is 15: 32 SpA Miracle Seed Sunkern Mega Drain vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Magikarp: 30-36 (85.7% - 102.9%) with Life Ball: 32-38 (91.4% - 108.6%) with Special Choiceband: 32-42 (91.4% - 120%) 32 SpA Miracle Seed Sunkern Mega Drain vs. 32 HP Silcoon 6-8 (13.3% - 17.8%) We see here that Sunkern has a slight chance to OHKO a Magikarp and also does substantial damage to a possible 'counter'. -thanks myself for the write-up Edit: Pageking Edited June 21, 2016 by Gruul DaftCoolio, suigin, Spaintakula and 15 others 18 Link to comment
dedegendut Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 prolly should stick to little cup Link to comment
Xatu Posted June 21, 2016 Author Share Posted June 21, 2016 7 hours ago, NikhilR said: I lol'd at Sunkern being banned to ubers. Haha ikr when i was typing it i thought "Never thought i'd see this." Link to comment
Eggplant Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 ign Eggplant SweeTforU and gbwead 2 Link to comment
BurntZebra Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 Sunkerns best set would be ingrain growth mega drain leech seed. Gets nice recovery from ingrain+leech seed and lets it go +6 with growth to hit those Pokemon with a powerful 40 base stab or whatever. Xatu 1 Link to comment
SamuraiHunter Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 Doesn't banning sunkurn go against the very reason this tier was made? gbwead and JonesMX 2 Link to comment
Xatu Posted June 22, 2016 Author Share Posted June 22, 2016 5 hours ago, SamuraiHunter said: Doesn't banning sunkurn go against the very reason this tier was made? Nah... this tier is designed to make things like magikarp and caterpie somewhat viable. They only learn like 2 moves so sunkern, even though it has the lowest basestat in the game, gets access to a way better movepool than anything else. On the flip side im thinking about expanding the tier with other uber's BM mons. Ones that didnt make the cut for matching up with caterpie, also ones that might have a little bit more BST. Another thing, I will be taking down notes of what mons people are using to get some of the first usage percentages. Link to comment
SamuraiHunter Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 (edited) Why aren't pidgey, zubat, mankey, or jiggly allowed? Or tentacool Edited June 22, 2016 by SamuraiHunter Tenta is cool Link to comment
gbwead Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 5 hours ago, Xatu said: Nah... this tier is designed to make things like magikarp and caterpie somewhat viable. They only learn like 2 moves so sunkern, even though it has the lowest basestat in the game, gets access to a way better movepool than anything else. On the flip side im thinking about expanding the tier with other uber's BM mons. Ones that didnt make the cut for matching up with caterpie, also ones that might have a little bit more BST. Another thing, I will be taking down notes of what mons people are using to get some of the first usage percentages. I wonder. Why are Caterpie and Magikarp the chosen ones? Link to comment
Spaintakula Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 (edited) 4 hours ago, lamerb said: I wonder. Why are Caterpie and Magikarp the chosen ones? Because the person thought about making this tier for years, only to come to this idea. Btw I'm creating a new tier called P.I.M.Ptm, Pokemon In Many Places, it's supposed to give the pokemon who are located in more than 5 locations more usage since they need it even though they're complete and utter shit. Edited June 22, 2016 by Spaintakula Gruul and gbwead 2 Link to comment
gbwead Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 Why isn't Smeargle on this list? Smeargle would lose against any of these pokemons. Also: IGN: Misterhide znk26 and BlackJovi 2 Link to comment
Xatu Posted June 22, 2016 Author Share Posted June 22, 2016 (edited) 15 hours ago, SamuraiHunter said: Why aren't pidgey, zubat, mankey, or jiggly allowed? Or tentacool Too high of BST to properly compete w/ caterpie/magikarp. They would be legit for the proposed ubers tho. I wonder. Why are Caterpie and Magikarp the chosen ones? Some of the lowest BST in the game. Edited June 22, 2016 by Xatu Link to comment
gbwead Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 2 minutes ago, Xatu said: Too high of BST to properly compete w/ caterpie/magikarp. They would be legit for the proposed ubers tho. Some of the lowest BST in the game. Smeargle has pretty low BST as well and would lose to caterpie or magikarp. Link to comment
NikhilR Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 (edited) 18 minutes ago, lamerb said: Smeargle has pretty low BST as well and would lose to caterpie or magikarp. Nah, Spore + Bdrum + Espeed is kind of broken. Only thing that can "stop" the sweep is if Tyrogue continues to fake out by switching in and out repeatedly or if Smeargle catches Pichu's static and gets parahaxed. EDIT: Or every pokemon can have chesto. Edited June 22, 2016 by NikhilR Link to comment
gbwead Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 Just now, NikhilR said: Nah, Spore + Bdrum + Espeed is kind of broken. Only thing that can "stop" the sweep is if Tyrogue continues to fake out by switching in and out repeatedly or if Smeargle catches Pichu's static and gets parahaxed. No, because pokemons are only allowed to have level up moves in this tier. This means that Smeargle can only have sketch kek. Link to comment
Gunthug Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 1 minute ago, NikhilR said: Nah, Spore + Bdrum + Espeed is kind of broken. Only thing that can "stop" the sweep is if Tyrogue continues to fake out by switching in and out repeatedly or if Smeargle catches Pichu's static and gets parahaxed. EDIT: Or every pokemon can have chesto. correct me if I'm wrong but at lvl 15, smeargle should only have 1 move slot for sketch? maybe 2? Link to comment
NikhilR Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 1 minute ago, lamerb said: No, because pokemons are only allowed to have level up moves in this tier. This means that Smeargle can only have sketch kek. Just now, Gunthug said: correct me if I'm wrong but at lvl 15, smeargle should only have 1 move slot for sketch? maybe 2? Totally forgot that only level up moves can be used. This is will be that one tier I'm never gonna be good at :( gbwead, ShadowGary, Gunthug and 1 other 4 Link to comment
LifeStyle Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 Am I late for this? Ign: Idontgiveafuck ShadowGary 1 Link to comment
Spaintakula Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 I propose we put smeargle on a test run, if it's broken, then the BM TC can ban it. OrangeManiac, ShadowGary, lFrankiel and 2 others 5 Link to comment
Xatu Posted June 25, 2016 Author Share Posted June 25, 2016 Hey everyone just a friendly reminder to mail me the 15k entry fee IGN: Xatu. It's 6 days until the comp and i havent received anyones entry lol. Link to comment
Gunthug Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 11 minutes ago, Xatu said: Hey everyone just a friendly reminder to mail me the 15k entry fee IGN: Xatu. It's 6 days until the comp and i havent received anyones entry lol. That's because they aren't serious entries. Just didn't want you to get your hopes up come tournament time ShadowGary 1 Link to comment
Sztajger Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 Just now, Gunthug said: That's because they aren't serious entries. Just didn't want you to get your hopes up come tournament time LIES, they poor, also they will pay befor tournament. Gunthug 1 Link to comment
MisterHide Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 IGN: gbwead (aka lamerb) ShadowGary, DiDi, SweeTforU and 2 others 5 Link to comment
Spaintakula Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 Signing up my irl brother, IGN ElTrumpio DaftCoolio 1 Link to comment
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