Anthrazit Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 (edited) PokeMMO's shiny rate In PokeMMO, the base shiny rate is 1/30000 with modifiers that would apply under certain conditions (active donator status or botting) - confirmed on January 6th 2018, Kyu (see the original post) Spoiler The shiny rate with active donator status is 1/27000 - as stated by RacheLucario on May 19th 2018 Spoiler The question asked was whether 1.1/30000 or 1/27000 were closer to the "+10%" boost from a donator status Concerning the chances for shinies in hordes: When encountering hordes (two, three or five Pokémon at the same time), each of the (two/three/five) encountered Pokémon have their own/independent chance to be shiny (original post here) and hence several shinies could appear in one single horde (original post here / example here). Based on that, there is an approximated (not exactly, but very close) chance of 1/15000 to encounter at least one shiny in a horde of two, an approximated (not exactly, but very close) chance of 1/10000 to encounter at least one shiny in a horde of three, and an approximated (not exactly, but very close) chance of 1/6000 to encounter at least one shiny in a horde of five. Data on the shiny rate & different impacts over time On July 5th 2016 data covering the last 100 captured shinies was provided by Desu (original post in this thread) to confirm that "New players do not have a better chance than older" players; because of the (felt) inequality in distribution of shinies (with some players having a dozen OT shinies while others haven't found a single one) Spoiler On 7/5/2016 at 9:08 PM, Desu said: Shinies and you: An informative PSA While there's nothing to say that hasn't already been said in some form or another, here's a few important facts that keep being distorted. Aside from Donator Status, there are no significant ways in which players can boost their shiny rates. New players do not have a better chance than older. Most importantly RNG is RNG, there is no guarantee to get a shiny in 100,000,000,000 encounters. Each encounter is a new RNG roll, independent of any previous. Statistical outliers will exist in both extremes. For every new player who gets a shiny, many thousand more do not. Encountering lots of things, like using Hordes, is still the most effective way to encounter a shiny. And here's some data. Of the last 100 captured shinies: The average played time is 15.76 days. (11.33 days if ignoring top 3/bottom 3 outliers) The minimum played time is 1.67 hours. The highest played time is 235 days. 78 out of 100 were captured with a player with more than 1 day of played time. Because 'How new you are' was stated to be one of the modifiers of the shiny rate, people with a longer playtime considered themselves to be unlucky (finding less shinies than newer players/accounts). The question if an account get "cursed" (with a rate that would be very low or zero) arose. On may 27th 2016 in this thread cursing was negated Spoiler 28th of april 2016: An outflux to shinies was added with shiny breeding If both parents are Shiny, the child will now always be Shiny. When breeding Shinies, the child's IV inheritance behaves differently: 4 random IVs are passed directly from the parents to the child. Of these 4, 2 will always be the highest possible value and 2 may be chosen by Braces. 2 are averaged. On June 18th 2015 we got confirmation that the original shiny rate was altered in PokéMMO to a lower, dynamic rate. Spoiler Before some point in time in 2013/2014 the chance to encounter a shiny Pokémon in PokéMMO has been (advertised to be) the same as in the original games - 1/8192 (lowered to 1/7373 with the buyable "Donator Status") Spoiler Some assembled shiny observations of 2016: Spoiler awkways encountering a shiny Swablu ~400 game hours / 277 encounters / with donator status / in a horde Spoiler I told her to keep it because she is the OT. I also told her how much it was worth and to avoid scammers. (but sell it to flare if you do sell :D) Feels like OTs are everywhere lately. But hey, I'm not complaining.. coz.. Caught yesterday, (April 24th 2016) awkways encountering a shiny Azumarill ~500 game hours / with donator status / not in a horde Spoiler On 5/10/2016 at 12:22 AM, awkways said: Found these two yellow things 13 days apart On 5/7/2016 at 8:23 PM, awkways said: Thanks for the motivation AGAIN ches. awkways encountering a shiny Growlithe ? game hours / +100k encounters / without donator status / in a horde Spoiler Bearminator finding a shiny Primeape at 3238 game hours / without donator status / not in a horde / after ~2235 encounters Spoiler 4th after 3238 hours, Bearuminati confirmed Bearminator finding a shiny Heracross at +3238 game hours / without(?) donator status / in a horde / after ~10-12k encounters Spoiler Bearminator finding a shiny Growlithe ? game hours / with/without donator status / in/not (?) in a horde Spoiler BeeeCozie finding a shiny Muk and a shiny Cubone ? game hours / with/without donator status / in/not (?) in a horde Spoiler BilllaBong finding a shiny Geodude 302 game hours / without donator status / not in a horde Spoiler BilllaBong finding a shiny Dunsparce 325 game hours / without donator status / in a horde Spoiler BilllaBong finding a shiny Unown 343 game hours / without donator status / not in a horde Spoiler BilllaBong finding a shiny Smeargle 363 game hours / without donator status / not in a horde Spoiler BilllaBong finding a shiny Enton 475 game hours / +12k encounter / without donator status / in a horde Spoiler BilllaBong finding a shiny Tentacruel +475 game hours / 17658 encounter / without donator status / in a horde Spoiler BilllaBong finding a shiny Zubat ? game hours / 22244 encounter / with donator status / not in a horde Spoiler http://www2.pic-upload.de/img/31547128/Unbenannt.png BilllaBong finding a shiny Spheal 590 game hours / 3622 encounter / with donator status / in a horde Spoiler chesar encountering a shiny Spoink 1500-1600 game hours / ~3k encounters / with donator status / in a horde Spoiler <3 chesar encountering a shiny Golbat 1500-1600 game hours / ~12k encounters / with donator status / in a horde Spoiler chesar encountering a shiny Spinarak 1500-1600 game hours / ~13k encounters / with donator status / in a horde Spoiler On 5/14/2016 at 2:46 AM, chesars said: finally i got my shiny spider :DD justice have been done chesar encountering a shiny Golbat 1500-1600 game hours / ~3k encounters / with donator status / in a horde Spoiler chesar encountering a shiny Numel 1500-1600 game hours / ~22-23k encounters / with donator status / in a horde Spoiler chesar encountering a shiny Golbat 1723 game hours / ~23k encounters / with donator status / in a horde Spoiler chesar encountering a shiny Heracross 1724 game hours / 200-300 encounters / with donator status / in a horde chesar encountering a shiny Misdreavus 1841 game hours / ~34k encounters / with donator status / in a horde Spoiler chesar encountering a shiny Heracross 2036 game hours / ~ 60-65k encounters / with/without donator status / in a horde Spoiler chesar encountering a shiny Pidgeotto ? game hours / ? encounters / with/without donator status / in a horde Spoiler Crimar finding a shiny Ralts 3388 game hours / without donator status Spoiler Nature Brave OT Crimar fresh off the catching event, GG. ExplayOne encountering three shinies during one month ? game hours / without donator status / in/not (?) in a horde Spoiler ExplayOne encountering a shiny Golbat ? game hours ? game hours / with/without donator status / in/not (?) in a horde Spoiler FlareBlitzz encountering a shiny Magmar +6000 game hours / without donator status / in a horde Spoiler flavawhat encountering a shiny Arcanine <600 game hours / 24 313 encounters / with donator status / in a horde flavawhat encountering a shiny Mawile <600 game hours / 30 395 encounters / with donator status / in a horde flavawhat encountering a shiny Sealeo (bred afterwards) <600 game hours / 12 350 encounters / with donator status / in a horde Spoiler flavawhat encountering a shiny Hoothoot ? game hours / ~11k encounters / without donator status / not in a horde Spoiler FloHoe encountering a shiny Goldeen and a shiny Venonat ? game hours / with or without donator status / (not?) in a horde Spoiler Gilan finding a shiny Sandslash ? game hours / without donator status / in a horde Spoiler Hordes confirmed OP. I still hate Desu for ruining my EV training business though (albeit a bit less). Hadesdiite encountering two shiny Beautiflies ? game hours / with/without (?) donator status / in/not (?) in a horde Spoiler Hassan encountering a shiny Pidgeotto ? game hours / with/without (?) donator status / in/not (?) in a horde Spoiler I'll be using this as a prize for an OU tournament, hopefully we can get a good turnout. I was hoping my next OT would be good, was planning to host something big for you guys ;( Heavenrise encountering a shiny Graveler 652 game hours / ~100 encounters / no donator status / in a horde Spoiler JLxKaos encountering a shiny Spoink and a shiny Tyrogue ? game hours / with/without (?) donator status / in/not (?) in a horde Spoiler KatheFoster encountering a shiny Golbat ? game hours / with/without (?) donator status / in/not (?) in a horde Spoiler KatheFoster encountering a Shiny Dunsparce ? game hours / with/without (?) donator status / in/not (?) in a horde Spoiler KST finding the following four shinies ? game hours / with/without donator status / in/not in a horde Spoiler ladylm encountering a shiny Tyrogue 1127 game hours / without donator status / not in a horde Spoiler why so sad for making me evolve it well its mine though & ilove ONEPUNCHMAN.. haha u should be happy also. :rolleyes: :wub: McTermi encountering a shiny Sentret 653 game hours / without donator status / not in a horde Spoiler MelionZ encountering a shiny Ponyta 700 game hours / 2800 encounters / with donator status / in a horde Spoiler On 8/23/2016 at 9:30 PM, Melion said: First OT 700 hours exactly, after 2800 encounters i got it :) With donator status Munya encountering a shiny Swablu ? game hours / with/without donator status / in/not in a horde Spoiler NoobQlo encountering a shiny Crobat, a shiny Lanturn and a shiny Masquerain ? game hours / with donator status / not in a horde Spoiler Pirc encountering a shiny Tentacool ~200 game hours / without donator status / not in a horde Pirc encountering a shiny Whismur ~600 game hours / without donator status / not in a horde Pirc encountering a shiny Slowbro 736 game hours / without donator status / not in a horde Spoiler QuickScopaMLG finding the following four shinies ? game hours / with/without donator status / in/not in a horde Spoiler Quiliver encountering a shiny Heracross 800+ game hours / without donator status / not in a horde Quiliver encountering a shiny Phanpy 1200+ game hours / without donator status / not in a horde Spoiler RaesT encountering a shiny Koffing ? game hours / with donator status / not in a horde RaesT encountering a shiny Mightyena ? game hours / without donator status / not in a horde RaesT encountering a shiny Whismur ? game hours / without donator status / in a horde RaesT encountering a shiny Persian ? game hours / without donator status / not in a horde RaesT encountering a shiny Meowth ? game hours / with donator status / in a horde RaesT encountering a shiny Fearow ? game hours / without donator status / in a horde Spoiler Riizla encountering a shiny Ponyta ~975 game hours / donation status / not in a horde Spoiler Ruak encountering a shiny Magmar ? game hours / with donator status / in a horde Ruak encountering a shiny Ponyta ? game hours / with(?) donator status / in(?) a horde Spoiler RyukoNotsunaga breeding a shiny Spheal ? game hours / with/without (?) donator status / bred Spoiler Just bred a Shiny Spheal with egg moves and amazing IVs.: RyukoNotsunaga encountering a shiny Heracross ? game hours / with/without (?) donator status / in a horde Spoiler 2016 must really be the year of the shinies. Just caught a Shiny Heracross while EV-Training my Meowth.: Screenshot of it in its horde.: ][/spoiler] Simonsss encountering a shiny Zigzagoon 468 hours / with donator status / not in a horde Spoiler Simonsss encountering a shiny Zigzagoon 606 hours / without donator status / in a horde Spoiler Zigh encountering a shiny Slowpoke ? game hours / with/without (?) donator status / in a horde Zigh encountering a shiny Golduck ? game hours / with/without (?) donator status / in a horde Spoiler These three shinies Reason for this thread/(possible) discussion: - as a scource of information about the the shiny rate in PokeMMO - to document the development of the rate - to assemble observations concerning the shiny rate ingame - to provide the necessary sources Thanks for discussing/adding information/etc Edited September 28, 2019 by Anthrazit order RayUwU, Fizzinc, Billla and 9 others 9 3 Link to comment
Bobgod Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 10 players isn't that big of a sample size, especially since you didn't randomly choose them and followed their encounter numbers or something, but just picked some that found a shiny recently. Link to comment
chtap Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 I haven't found any shiny pokemons after the 2013 mid update. #shinymudkipiscoming Link to comment
XPLOZ Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 You should have taken hundreds of exemples with accurate information to try to make an investigation... Atm you can't deduce anything. Link to comment
Termi Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 First: Magmar is from Ruak ;) Second: How could you forget this Shiny Magmar of FlareblitzZ ;) I mean this Moment was like winning in Lottery xd After 4 Years he finally made it. FlareBlitzz and FighterChamp 2 Link to comment
Anthrazit Posted April 27, 2016 Author Share Posted April 27, 2016 10 players isn't that big of a sample size, especially since you didn't randomly choose them and followed their encounter numbers or something, but just picked some that found a shiny recently. [...] it seemed to have started the 24th of march [...] [...] more I missed/forgot/didn't find again... [...] Nonetheless, it is of course a subjective impression as I stated Still, others might (or might not) got the same impression lately First: Magmar is from Ruak ;) Second: How could you forget this Shiny Magmar of FlareblitzZ ;) I mean this Moment was like winning in Lottery xd After 4 Years he finally made it. I really thought of that one but wasn't able to find it again :S Thanks for the info Link to comment
Imperial Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 If we're noticing a huge difference in shinies being found, it's probably because the donator status is now tradeable, which means many players have now bought it and are using it. I highly doubt devs changed the rates, unless they wanted sympathy for the hate they were getting in their previous thread. This was probably the best solution, and it seems to have worked well... (for now) Link to comment
MirandaKun Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 I think nothing happened to the rate itself Link to comment
Anthrazit Posted April 27, 2016 Author Share Posted April 27, 2016 If we're noticing a huge difference in shinies being found, it's probably because the donator status is now tradeable, which means many players have now bought it and are using it. I highly doubt devs changed the rates, unless they wanted sympathy for the hate they were getting in their previous thread. This was probably the best solution, and it seems to have worked well... (for now) I thought about the influence of the tradable donator status as well, but personally believe the "+10%" are insignificant given the supposedly very low (dynamic) rate we have/had Furthermore, I know for sure that some of the encounters of last month happened without active donator status, while I have no information about the others... Link to comment
jasonoon95 Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 just luck and coincidence Link to comment
ZorNiFieD Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 I think nothing happened to the rate itself this the horde update resulted in more people hunting for shinies --> more shinies found simple as that imo Link to comment
Imperial Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 I thought about the influence of the tradable donator status as well, but personally believe the "+10%" are insignificant given the supposedly very low (dynamic) rate we have/had Furthermore, I know for sure that some of the encounters of last month happened without active donator status, while I have no information about the others... The more people who hunt with donator status, the more likely a shiny will eventually appear. Also players hunt in many spots, so the variety of shinies will be likely to appear more frequently too. That's probably why more 'rarer' shinies have been found, IMO. Link to comment
Bobgod Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 I'm not sure why you made "10 players" and "recently" bold in my post. I'm pretty sure there are more than 10 players that find a shiny every week. Just because you heard of 10 players within a month there doesn't have to be a change in rate. Imagine throwing a coin. Just because within 50 throws you have a couple rows of 5+ heads doesn't mean the coin was rigged, especially if you only pay attention after you already got 4 times heads in a row. Link to comment
FlareBlitzz Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 How could you forget the best shiny caught smh Without donator status btw Ruak was using donator status btw Anthrazit 1 Link to comment
Kite Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 You have incomplete data, therefore you don't have any kind of result. Link to comment
Gilan Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 (edited) oh hey, I'm in the OP. I must be getting famous. edit: my slash was caught without donator status. It was in a horde. I don't know my in game hours lel. I won't bother with logging into all of my accounts. Edited April 28, 2016 by Gilan Anthrazit 1 Link to comment
Bearminator Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 (edited) You're making me a shiny celebrity with my low tier shinies again, don't you ? To be more specific, I got some data for yours topic: I've caught Primeape at 3238 hours, this is true. I didn't used donator status and it wasn't in horde. But most important thing: I was jumping from place to place doing shiny hunt only, so I counted encounters from start. At the moment of shiny primeape I was at 2235 encounters,+- 3 or 4 pokemons.I don't think rate was increased drastically or in anyway. I think luck. determination and thing that thanks to hordes we actually start to search for shinies instead of bragging about not having one. (jk, praise bearuinati) Edited April 28, 2016 by bearminator FlareBlitzz, DeliZenan and Anthrazit 3 Link to comment
Anthrazit Posted April 28, 2016 Author Share Posted April 28, 2016 Thanks for the additional data I added it, as well as the new possibility for an outflux of shinies with the new introduced shiny breeding Regarding this, wouldn't this outflux justify a higher shiny rate? (OT shinies are needed to breed an OT shiny / several shinies would possibly be needed to breed a shiny with good IVs...) Link to comment
DarylDixon Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 How could you forget the best shiny caught smh Without donator status btw Ruak was using donator status btw Die plz :v only me find shiny paras or other shit lol Link to comment
Aerun Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 (edited) Thanks for the additional data I added it, as well as the new possibility for an outflux of shinies with the new introduced shiny breeding Regarding this, wouldn't this outflux justify a higher shiny rate? (OT shinies are needed to breed an OT shiny / several shinies would possibly be needed to breed a shiny with good IVs...) I wish the shiny child could be OT if any one of the 2 shiny parents were OT instead of getting an OT shiny child if only the female shiny breeder or the non-ditto parent is OT Edit: someone ask that in suggestion box pls E2: done ^ Edited April 28, 2016 by Aerun Link to comment
Anthrazit Posted April 28, 2016 Author Share Posted April 28, 2016 I wish the shiny child could be OT if any one of the 2 shiny parents were OT instead of getting an OT shiny child if only the female shiny breeder or the non-ditto parent is OT Edit: someone ask that in suggestion box pls E2: done ^ Possibly the intention is to "sink" more shinies as you would need to add one shiny ditto (more) into your breeding chain (if you want to go that far) in case you have a shiny male OT to turn it into the female (as I believe gender select works the regular way for shinies as well?) Link to comment
FlareBlitzz Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 Thanks for the additional data I added it, as well as the new possibility for an outflux of shinies with the new introduced shiny breeding Regarding this, wouldn't this outflux justify a higher shiny rate? (OT shinies are needed to breed an OT shiny / several shinies would possibly be needed to breed a shiny with good IVs...) 6000 hours Link to comment
Darkshade Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 Regarding this, wouldn't this outflux justify a higher shiny rate? Unlikely, considering the primary reason we implemented it was due to market oversaturation. Anthrazit 1 Link to comment
Dragoniiii12 Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 Hordes are OP. Pls nerf. Link to comment
Anthrazit Posted April 28, 2016 Author Share Posted April 28, 2016 Unlikely, considering the primary reason we implemented it was due to market oversaturation. So I assume there weren't any (recent) changes to the shiny rate (for example the dynamic rate not taking into account the amount of time played or anything alike that would give a character with more game hours a disadvantage compared to a character with less game hours/activity) and there won't be changes to the rate any in the future? Link to comment
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