WolfgangDamien Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 (edited) Prelude This is meant for to be a simpler Introduction to Breeding for beginners who dont understand breeding, using pictures to explain the initial process. It is not meant to be an all-emcompassing guide, as the current Breeding Guide ( https://forums.pokemmo.eu/index.php?/topic/49440-the-new-breeding-guide/ ) is much more in-depth and should be referred to for the more advanced player wanting to know the real inner workings of breeding mechanics. Table of Contents Spoiler Post 1 What is Pokemon Breeding and Why Do I Care? Welcome to Pokemon Breeding Getting Familiar with the Breeding House How to Breed Selecting a Gender Pokemon that Cannot Breed Genderless Pokemon Pokemon with Only One Gender Costs OT (original trainer) Terms / Keywords to know FAQ Post 2 2x31 - 5x31 Breeding Example Post 3 Natured Breeding, a continuation of 2x31 - 5x31 Post 4 What is an Egg Move? How to Breed a Particular Egg Move How to Chain-Breed a Particular Egg Move Post 5 "Free" Breeding "Budget" Breeding Special Cases / Other Hold Items used in Breeding Cut Egg Hatch Time in Half Pokeball Selection What is Pokemon Breeding and Why Do I Care? Spoiler In its simplest form, Pokemon Breeding is handing over two compatible pokemon in exchange for their baby. You cannot change certain traits about pokemon after they are born, and the only way to do so is through breeding. Pokemon Breeding has several features and advantages. You can do things like ensure a particular Hidden Power type, pass along certain moves a pokemon couldnt learn naturally by leveling, TM or tutor; and it's the only way to get "Baby" pokemon like Pichu, Smoochum, Azurill, etc. and pokemon that are only level 1. And maybe the most important part of Breeding: it is the only way to create super-powerful pokemon for competitive battling. If you open up your pokemon's summary and look under the tab that looks like a double-helix / DNA strand, you'll find your pokemon's IV numbers. IV stands for "Inherited Values" and these are the stats they were born with and no amount of training, levels or EV-wise, can change these numbers. (not the same geodude but you get the idea) Breeding pokemon is the only way to ensure these IV numbers are good. We have a range from 0 being the lowest IV number and 31 being the highest IV number. All pokemon vary in their natural skills and abilities. Pokemon with a naturally high ATK stat should be bred with a high ATK IV to maximize it. Pokemon who are special attackers should have a high SP ATK IV. Bulky defensive pokemon should have high HP, DEF and SP DEF IVs. And a good SPEED IV can help determine who hits first in battle. Pokemon Natures also come in with breeding, you can change and ensure a baby is born with a specific nature; this is usually done so a pokemon can have a particular boost in one of its stats. Most pokemon natures give a +10% boost to one stat and a -10% defect to another stat. There are also neutral natures that give no boost and no defect. A "perfect" pokemon would be a 6x31 IV stat pokemon, meaning it has 31 IV numbers in every stat, HP, ATK, DEF, SP ATK, SP DEF, and SPEED. Or a 5x31 with an appropriate nature, as many pokemon simply do not need one of their stats to be 31. A physically attacking pokemon doesnt need a high SP ATK IV, for example. Note: A perfect pokemon is not needed to compete and win in PVP battling or tournaments. 20+ IV stats are considered good enough / "comp-worthy" and 25+ are the most desirable. Most of the time, a 5x31 or 6x31 pokemon is considered a trophy or a status-symbol. 5x31 and 6x31 pokemon can be beaten by wild-caught pokemon and lesser bred pokemon. Training, movesets, strategy and skill are all still very necessary in order to win battles, even with perfect pokemon. Welcome to Pokemon Breeding! So youre curious about Pokemon Breeding? Well first things first then! There are two daycare locations in-game where you can breed pokemon. In Hoenn, it is just a little ways West of Mauville city, in Route 117 to be exact. In Kanto, the daycare can be found on 4 Island, which is only available after you defeat the Kanto Elite Four and completed the Sevii Island 1-3 story mode. Welcome to your new homes for the next few days! Getting Familiar with the Breeding House Spoiler So now you've seen the outside of the place and you know where it is. Now, what do I do? Notice both houses have an older man standing outside of them. This is the Day-Care Man. This is the man you will exchange your breeding pokemon with for egg-babies. Before we get to that part, lets go inside: So you'll see we have a PC in the back right-hand corner, you'll be spending a lot of time there, and then there are two NPCs inside. Age before beauty is the saying, right? So I'll start with the older lady to the left. This is the Day-Care Lady. She can raise up to two pokemon for you in exchange for a small fee per lvl. Both Day-Care ladies say the same thing and do the same jobs. Upon return of your pokemon you'll be told how many levels they've grown and how much you owe for their return. It's a nice feature, but it doesnt have anything to do with breeding, so I won't expand any further on it. Next is the young lady sitting at the table to our right. She, however, IS very important to the breeding process! She sells our necessary breeding materials: BRACES. As with the Day-Care Man and the Day-Care Lady, this young lady is the same in both regions as well. Both have the same items for sale, at the same prices. Heres what she's got for sale: As you can see here there is a BRACE for each of the 6 IV stats and they are brightly color-coded. Notice BRACES are $10,000 PokeYen EACH and BRACES are CONSUMED during breeding. Breeding is not a cheap venture. And should not be entered into without sufficent PokeYen on-hand. So now that we are familiar with the breeding houses, all the NPCs and what they do. Let's breed something shall we?! How To Breed Spoiler In order to breed, you need two compatible pokemon to breed with. What makes pokemon compatible breeders? Essentially, two things: 1) One male and one female 2) The same egg group What is an egg group and how do I know what egg group a pokemon belongs to? 1) An Egg Group is the group of pokemon that can breed with each other. In PokeMMO, we have: Field, Monster, Bug, Plant, Humanoid, Water A, Water B, Water C, Fairy, Dragon, Chaos, and Mineral egg groups. If two pokemon do not belong to the same egg group, they cannot breed together. There is also another class of pokemon that Cannot Breed, as well as Genderless pokemon, who belong to different egg groups but cant breed with anyone in them, these groups will be explained further later. 2) To check what egg group or groups a particular pokemon belongs to, check your PokeDex. There are several pokemon that belong to more than one egg group, and breeding across egg groups is possible. One More Thing: The baby pokemon species is determined by the Mother's species. This means you can breed pokemon that arent the same species together. For example Meowth and Pikachu can breed together, and if your goal is a baby Pichu, you'll need that mother Pikachu to be a female. Now that you can identify compatible breeding partners, it's time to talk to the Day-Care Man! Both Day-Care men say the same thing. You will trade two pokemon in exchange for an egg. You will not get these pokemon back. From here you'll get the breeding preview box. Simply drag and drop your breeding pokemon into the spaces provided. Or click the space and select the breeder from the drop down menu. As shown above, once a parent is placed in a box, all of it's info is displayed below it. Its gender, IVs, moves, nature and the item its currently holding. Once you have placed both parents in the breeding preview box, a third column will appear in the middle, a preview of your brand new baby pokemon! The IV stats shown for the baby are a possible range it can be born with. A baby's IV stat is determined in a range from the lowest and highest IV stats of it's parents, or a mean average of the two. What this means is the baby will be born with a SP DEF IV of no lower than 11, and no higher than 18, or an average of the two. If you hover your mouse over the Baby's stats, it will show the range, average and chance percentages. Now, Notice the SP ATK BRACE on bulbasaur and the 30 in SP ATK in GREEN on the Baby's IV column. As we learned when we read the description of the BRACES inside, holding a brace for a particular stat ensures that stat it will be passed down to the baby. This shows in GREEN that the baby will be born with 30 sp atk because of the SP ATK BRACE bulbasaur is holding. So why is Aron holding an EVERSTONE instead of a BRACE? BRACES are not the only hold item used in breeding. An EVERSTONE ensures the NATURE of the pokemon holding it will pass down to the baby. This is why the NATURE of the baby is also appearing in GREEN. There are other hold items you can use in breeding as well. Now Id like to call your attention to the 30 in ATK across all three pokemon. Obviously, a pokemon cannot hold more than one item at the same time, so how do you prevent losing the good stats while making a pokemon with more than two good stats? You overlap them. This is how to breed super pokemon. Overlap good stats in common, while bracing the stats you dont have in common, until you have a perfect pokemon. This means it costs several hundred thousand to a couple million PokeYen to create pokemon with perfect IVs and natures. Ill post examples to explain further. Finally, you can set the pair off to breed. After which the breeding preview box goes away and you'll get something similar to the following: Until your egg is ready, the Day-Care Man will just repeat this phrase over and over again. So.... How long does it take for a pokemon to lay an egg? Time varies from pokemon to pokemon, the most common pokemon have short times, while rarer pokemon have longer times. Time only counts as spent in-game. If you log out and come back in an hour, you wont have an egg. The most beautiful sight in PokeMMO: When you see this instead of the previous phrase, your egg is ready! Selecting a Gender Spoiler Before you receive your egg, the Day-Care Man walks you through some options he has for you. These are Gender and Pokeball selection. When breeding pokemon there are often times when you need a specific gender, whether you just prefer it, or you are making a partner to pair with another specific pokemon in a larger breeding project. Selecting a gender costs money. The fee depends on the pokemon species and the gender. Remember that the baby born is determined by the MOTHER's species, so gendering a pokemon FEMALE in order to keep a particular species is commonplace. The cheapest fee for selecting a gender is $5000 PokeYen. The most expensive fee is $21,000. If you do not select a gender, the baby will be born a random gender, no fee added, as is natural. Pokemon that Cannot Breed Spoiler The pokemon that Cannot Breed are all "Baby" Pokemon. Pichu, Cleffa, Igglybuff, Mr. Mime Jr, etc. These pokemon must evolve before they can breed. Lengendary pokemon also fall into this category. Also noteworthy here, GIFT pokemon cannot be traded, and therefore cannot be bred either. This includes your starter pokemon, and any pokemon received from in-game NPCs via event or trade. Ch'ding the Farfetch'd, Zynx the Jynx, Mimien the Mr Mime, the Lapras from Silph Co, and the Eevee from the Celadon Mansion are all examples of GIFT pokemon. Genderless Pokemon Spoiler Genderless pokemon, meaning they cannot be male or female, are a special breeding case and they are more common than you'd think, and found in many different egg groups. Examples of this are pokemon like Staryu, Magnemite, Voltorb, Beldum, Porygon, and a long list of others. But Wait! Ive seen a perfect -insert genderless pokemon here-, before! How did so-and-so get it? One answer is that it could be wild-caught. Its highly unlikely, but 3-4x31 wild-caught pokemon are out there. But this is a breeding guide, and I wouldnt be mentioning if it you couldnt breed them. So how do you do it? The answer is simple: Ditto! All genderless pokemon can breed with Ditto. Genderless pokemon cannot breed with each other, or any other pokemon in their egg group, including ones with genders. But they can all breed with Ditto. There is just one problem.... Ditto cannot breed with each other, only with other pokemon. It is impossible to breed multiple high stats onto a Ditto. So all Ditto breeders are wild, unbred pokemon. WHICH MEANS... In order to breed a multiple high-IVed genderless pokemon, you must have wild-caught Dittos with multiple high IVs to match and overlap for every step of the breeding process. So a 5-6x31 IV genderless pokemon requires a 4-5x31+ IV WILD CAUGHT Ditto to breed with. Yes, they are incredibly rare and expensive. Pokemon With Only One Gender Spoiler Just as there are pokemon of both genders and pokemon without genders, there are also pokemon who can only be of ONE gender. Some of these pokemon have female counterparts, but not all. And currently, PokeMMO does not offer seamless breeding for pokemon of One Gender. For example: Nidoran male cannot breed with Nidoran female to get a Nidoran baby of either gender. Tauros cannot breed with Miltank and get either a baby tauros or miltank. And sometimes while breeding, single gender pokemon can come out different than what the breeding preview had shown. Particularly in Nidoran. Breed these pokemon using caution! When breeding female-only pokemon, the baby will always turn out the female species, and you cannot choose a gender. When breeding male-only pokemon, you must use a Ditto to get a baby of the same species as the male. Staff has said that this feature is being worked on and should change in the future! Costs Spoiler As of a recent update, breedings costs have changed. These should be the new accurate prices. credit to Matoka for prices 2x31IVs = 25k 3x31IVs = 75k 4x31IVs = 175k 5x31IVs = 375k 6x31IVs = 775k Natured 31 IV'd pokes (Assuming Everstones are all 20k and all are gender confirmed) See Natured Breeding 1x31IVs + Natured = 35k 2x31IVs + Natured = 95k 3x31IVs + Natured = 205k 4x31IVs + Natured = 415k 5x31IVs + Natured = 825k 6x31IVs + Natured = 1M 635k OT (original trainer) Spoiler In a new update, the OT (original trainer) credit now is affected by breeding. If both parents are your OT, the baby will retain your OT. If both parents are NOT your OT, the baby will be born with an Unknown OT. In order for a baby pokemon to retain your own OT with a mixed OT parentage, the FEMALE must have your OT. Breeding with a Ditto To Keep OT: If both parents are your OT, the baby will retain your OT. If the Ditto is NOT your OT and the other pokemon IS your OT, the baby will retain your OT. Unknown OT: If both parents are NOT your OT, the baby will be born with an Unknown OT. If the Ditto is your OT and the other pokemon is NOT your OT, the baby will be born with an Unknown OT. Terms / Keywords to Know Spoiler When you're new to breeding it may seem a little confusing trying to talk to others who are more experienced than you. They use terms like "5x31," "4x20+," "5x25+," "good nature," or "bad nature," "RNG," and all sorts of things that boggle your mind. Heres a helpful list of common breeding "slang" terms and keywords and what they mean. Most of it is simple, I promise you! ? x ??, 1x31, 4x20+, 5x25+, 5x31, etc This may look like a math problem but I assure you, its not. These numbers refer to a pokemon's IV numbers. And how many of them are of a certain value. The first number is how many stats, 'x' refers to 'times', and the second number is the stat value they are referring to. Ill explain a few of the most common ones. 1x31, 2x31, 3x31, 4x31, 5x31, 6x31 This means the pokemon has atleast 1 IV that is 31. Its a valueable breeder and you'll need these little buggers by the dozens if you are looking to make a perfect all-31s pokemon. So it would follow that 2x31 means a pokemon has 2 IV that are 31, and 3x31 would mean 3 IVs that are 31, etc all the way up to 6x31. Also, 1*31, 2*31, 3*31, are all the same thing. x and * are both often used to represent the multiplication symbol. 4x20+ This term means that a pokemon has 4 IV stats with a value of 20 or more. Its important because its a good breeder, you could save a lot of money by breeding it just a few times with other 20+ IV pokemon. 5x25+ This extends to other terms like 3x25+, meaning a pokemon has atleast 3 IV stats of a value of 25 or higher, 4x25 would mean the pokemon has 4 IV stats of 25 or higher, and 5x25+ would mean a pokemon has 5 IV stats of a value of 25 or more. A 5x25+ pokemon is a great cheap alternative to 5x31 pokemon for competitive battling. Good and Bad Nature / Natured "Natured" refers to whether or not a pokemon has a nature that is appropriate for its abilities and base stats. A Good Nature also refers to a nature that is appropriate for that particular pokemon's base stats and abilities. A Bad Nature refers to any nature that would be detrimental to stats that particular pokemon needs. For example, a pokemon like Machoke usually needs high ATK, and any nature that is -10% ATK, like TIMID or MODEST, would be a bad nature for it. What makes a nature good or bad differs from pokemon to pokemon, how it will be used in battle, and how it is trained. RNG RNG stands for Random Number Generator. The game relies on a lot of random number generation to determine outcomes. Its especially relevant in breeding, as there is only an 8%-ish chance to hit the highest IV possible in a range without a brace. High and Low Roll Because stats that arent braced can have 1 of 3 different outcomes, and a random number generater is used to determine the outcome, it is likened to a roll of the dice. If your pokemon comes out with the lowest possible outcome, its a "low roll," if it comes out with the highest possible outcome, it's a "high roll." More to come! Reply to the thread to suggest another term! FAQ Spoiler Q: So when breeding on PokeMMO, the two parent pokemon are gone forever? A: Yes Q: What is a BRACE and where can I buy them? A: A BRACE is the hold-item used to ensure a certain IV stat of a parent is passed down to the baby while breeding. They are sold inside the House that the Day-Care Man is standing outside of. Q: So to ensure ATK stat of a parent, I let it hold a 'BRACE - ATK' while breeding? A: Yes, and the same goes for each stat. Q: Is there a way to ensure a stat without holding a BRACE or overlapping them? A: No, just sheer luck. If you read the in-depth breeding guide mentioned in the Prelude, you'll find the mechanics / statisics of the actual chance of passing down high IVs vs low IVs. Q: Are ALL hold items consumed during breeding? That Light Ball was expensive! A: Yes. ALL Hold items are consumed during breeding. Q: How can you afford to breed? It's so expensive!A: The genral advice is to beat the story before you start breeding. There are more opportunities to make money after the Elite Four than there are before it. Your wild-caught pokemon are plenty strong enough to beat the story in both regions. Q: Can I breed my starter pokemon? A: No. Your starter pokemon is a GIFT, and if you have the HG / SS rom installed you'll be able to see a tab in your pokemon's summary that says RIBBONS, all GIFT pokemon bear a GIFT RIBBON. All GIFT pokemon CANNOT be bred. Q: Can lvl 1 pokemon be bred? A: Yes Q: Can baby pokemon (like Pichu, Cleffa, Igglybuff, Azurill, etc) be bred? A: No, they must evolve in order to breed. Q: Can unevolved pokemon (like machop, magikarp, dratini, etc) breed with their evolved forms (machop x machamp, magikarp x gyarados, dratini x dragonite) and other evolved pokemon in their egg group? A: Yes, as long as they are not a "Baby" class of pokemon, they can breed with any evolved pokemon, no matter the size, shape or level difference. Q: The Day-Care Man says my pokemon dont like each over very much, will they still breed? A: Yes, it will just take longer before you receive an egg. Q: How long does it take for a pokemon to lay an egg? A: Time varies from pokemon to pokemon, the most common pokemon have short times, while rarer pokemon have longer times. Time only counts as spent in-game. If you log out and come back in an hour, you wont have an egg. Q: Are eggs hatched in time, steps, or what? A: Eggs are hatched via time spent in-game, again, time varies from pokemon to pokemon and the most common pokemon have short times, while rarer pokemon have longer times. Time only counts as spent in-game. If you log out and come back in an hour, your egg will not have hatched. Q: Whats the longest it can take to receive and/or hatch an egg? A: There isnt a clear answer, but the longest I've seen was 3+ hours for a pokemon to breed with a Ditto it didnt like. Longest time to hatch an egg was around 20-30min with FLAME BODY ability on. Q: Whats the shortest time to receive and hatch an egg? A: Shortest time to receive an egg is instantly. Shortest time to hatch an egg, while using a FLAME BODY pokemon, is about 3-5 minutes. Q: Can I hatch a shiny pokemon while breeding? A: Yes, its the same possibility as finding one in the wild. Q: Can I breed a shiny pokemon and still get a shiny baby with better IVs / egg moves / nature / etc? A: Shiny breeding has recently been implemented. If you breed TWO shiny parents together, the baby is guarenteed to come out shiny as well. BOTH PARENTS MUST BE SHINY. Breeding a shiny pokemon with a non-shiny will NOT guarentee a shiny baby, and the percentages of the baby being shiny are unknown. As far as IVs, the IV mechanics work differently with shiny breeding, please refer to a more in-depth guide for specifics. NATURE, Egg Moves, BRACED IV stats, and Egg Groups all still works the same as normal breeding. Everstones still guarentee nature, shinies can breed with shinies of other species within their own egg groups to make more powerful rarer shinies, using a brace on an IV stat still guarentees that stat to be passed down, and egg moves will pass down normally as well. Q: If I breed two pokemon of the same NATURE, will the baby have that nature aswell? A: No, the ONLY way of ensuring NATURE in a baby is to have the parent with the desired nature hold an EVERSTONE while breeding. Q: I saw someone selling a ???x31 pokemon for an amount less than the cost of breeding it, are you lying about the cost of breeding??? A: No. Most likely, they dont know how much they put into it. Breeding is a long and tedious process, a lot of people lose track of the actual amount spent breeding a pokemon, and then mistakenly try to sell it for less than what they put into it. Alternatively, there are a few short cuts to cutting the costs of breeding, but this is all up to sheer luck. For example, they may have caught matching 2x31 wild pokemon, or 3x31s, allowing them to sell it at a price below the normal breeding cost. Q: I saw someone sell a ???x31 pokemon for more than twice the amount of breeding it! Why? A: Certain pokemon cost a lot more than others to breed. Eevee and fossil pokemon, for example, all cost 21,000 for a female. Machop and other pokemon geared to be mostly male, or mostly female, are $9000 for the lesser common gender. If the NATURE was bred onto it, that costs money. Other pokemon have specific EGG MOVES bred onto them you cant otherwise get. Further you can breed specific Hidden Power types onto pokemon, which is very tedious. All this extra work costs money. Also, some of the breeders used could've been bought, not caught, and the money spent on this must go into the final price to be recooped. The time and effort put into breeding deserves some profit, otherwise, you should go and breed your own. Q: Can I accidentally use my Masterball if Im not paying attention during the Pokeball selection? Q: Can I put my brand-new bred super-pokemon in a Masterball?A: No, the Masterball is not an option that appears in the Pokeball Selection list at all. Q: What are ALL the pokemon that cannot be bred, at all, in any shape or form?A: Ditto, Shedninja and all Legendary pokemon. You cannot get a baby Ditto under any circumstances. And all Shedninja are totally random IVs, like a wild pokemon, a 6x31 bred Nincada will produce a 6x31 Ninjask but not a 6x31 Shedninja. Legendary pokemon belong to a class of pokemon that Cannot Breed. More to come Will be updated as needed Edited August 23, 2016 by WolfgangDamien explaining IV ranges more accurately + pictures, added "terms / keywords," added "table of contents" 3106132, hihats, GBush and 13 others 14 2 Link to comment
WolfgangDamien Posted February 15, 2016 Author Share Posted February 15, 2016 (edited) Examples 2x31 - 5x31 Spoiler Im going to walk you through breeding a multiple 31+ IVed pokemon. Once youve got the basic knowledge, its really rather simple, just expensive. Ive chosen to make a Geodude, as I have a lot of 1x31 geodude breeders in my PC already. Geodude is part of the Mineral egg group, and have male and female genders. They are fairly common, and cheap to gender. Using whats available in my PC, Ive selected these three geodude as my basic starting set: Why did I select these three? The 1x31 Adamant female Im going to hold onto and put away for the Nature breeder incase I dont get a good nature while breeding. Its usually smart to breed without worrying about nature first, as you may get lucky and randomly get a good nature on a pokemon above 1x31. The other two would easily breed directly with this 1x31, as SPEED would overlap so I could use an everstone to ensure nature. Since Im using all geodude breeders in this breed, I do not need to select a gender this time. Ill let it be random, and select a gender to compliment it, saving myself half the costs of gendering. Alright so lets put some braces on these two and get started! 2x31: Notice how the baby's nature is unknown when not using an everstone. This means the baby will be born with a randomly chosen nature. Now our egg has hatched. It's a girl! Here we have our most basic 2x31. All the other IVs kinda suck at this point, but we dont have to worry about that. Now to take this baby to the next step, were going to have to create another 2x31, and this one has to be male. In order to overlap stats, Ill need to choose breeders with either ATK or SPEED, and the other breeder with a different 31 IV stat. Ive chosen these two: Now lets put braces on these two... And they're off! This geodude must be made a male, so Ill pay $5,000 extra to get one. My male geodude has been born. Here he is! He came out a decent nature, if I wanted, I could put him away and make yet another 2x31, but I think Im going to stick with Adamant. Now lets put some braces on and pair him with the female I made earlier. 3x31: Notice that I brace the stats the two do not have in common, and allow ATK to overlap, creating a 3x31 geodude. I dont need to select a gender this time either. Ok my 3x31 geodude egg has hatched! Its a boy! Here he is: He did not come out a good nature, so I shall continue my breeding as planned. To add another 31 onto this bad boy, Im going to need to create a female 3x31 geodude to pair it with, and she must have two overlapping 31 stats, and one different 31 stat. Using the steps Ive already gone over, Ill create a female 3x31. Heres what Ive made: Now lets put the braces on and pair her with my 3x31 male... I dont need to gender this one. 4x31: Notice the 30-31 range in speed? To cut costs I used a wild caught 1x31 HP 1x30 SPEED geodude I had in my PC, as I dont care about speed on a Geodude or Golem usually. For your sake, all prices listed are the actual cost of breeding and not exactly what I spent. Its a helpful way to cut costs, breeding 30s instead of 31s, and can save you a lot of extra steps as well. And heres my new 4x31 geodude! Its a boy! Not a good nature, so we continue on as planned. Now to take this to the next step, guess what we have to do? THATS RIGHT! We have to make another 4x31 to pair with this 4x31, now with three overlapping stats, and one different stat, to create a 5x31. This next 4x31 must be female. Are you getting the hang of this yet? Not the nature I wanted, so Ill continue as planned. Pair the the two 4x31 together with braces... 5x31: Ta-dah! A 5x31 Geodude! Thats as far as were going with this particular pokemon, as Golem doesnt need SP ATK. Now, Gender is a little more important here. So listen carefully. If you plan on breeding it further for nature, and want to KEEP the pokemon species you just bred: you want to make this 5x31 pokemon a female. If you plan on breeding further for nature, and want to CHANGE the pokemon's species you just bred, you want to make this 5x31 pokemon a male. If you plan on NOT breeding any further, and dont care about nature, OR you got a nature you like: This pokemon is finished, and you may make it any gender you'd like, or let it be random. It is your personal preference. Since this pokemon was bred purely for this guide, and I already have a comp Golem and a comp Steelix, what did I decide to do? Spoiler I decided to make this 5x31 geodude a male, and I will breed a 4x31 natured female Onix to pair it with in the next section, because Steelix is more popular and more likely to sell. Edited May 7, 2016 by WolfgangDamien systematic, DeadeyeDonny, DeliZenan and 2 others 5 Link to comment
WolfgangDamien Posted February 15, 2016 Author Share Posted February 15, 2016 (edited) Examples Natured Breeding a continuation of "2x31 - 5x31" Spoiler Back in the beginning of "2x31 - 5x31" breeding, I had put away a 1x31 SPEED ADAMANT Female Geodude for nature breeding. I did not get Adamant during my initial breeding process, so Ill be starting from 1x31. My geodude is a female. And I have a couple of 1x31 DEF female Onix to use. So let me show you how to turn this Geodude into an Onix. First off, I need to make this natured geodude a boy. So Im going to create a standard 2x31, with an overlapping 31 in SPEED. Heres my pairing: Bracing my 31 stats, Ill make this baby a male so it can pair with my natured female geodude. If you noticed that this female geodude is also adamant are and wondering if Im screwing up, dont worry! Im not! I had TWO adamant female geodudes. And heres my result, a 2x31 male geodude ready to pair with my 1x31 natured female. Notice that when you are breeding for NATURE, you must overlap ALL the stats the natured pokemon has. Alright! Now my Adamant Geodude is a male, and ready to flip species. Now Ill make a 3x31 female Onix to pair him with. Ill make a 2x31 Onix using this female I have, and Ill go ahead and make this baby female. Now I need to make another 2x31 male to pair her with. With my current 31 stats and the Adamant geodude's stats, my only option is to put SPEED onto this Onix, so the 2x31 geodude I create must have SPEED on it, and either DEF or SP DEF. Heres what I got: Remember, this baby needs to stay female so we keep our Onix species. Now shes ready to pair with her ADAMANT partner. Lets go ahead an put them together now. I'll throw an EVERSTONE on my Adamant male Geodude and a DEF - Brace on my female 3x31 Onix. Were getting pretty close to the end! Lets make this baby female. The next step is to create a 4x31 male breeder to compliment this Onix. It's going to need to have: SPEED, SP DEF, DEF, and either HP or ATK. And here were are! I used one of those 1x31 DEF Onix I had laying around and a bunch of freshly caught geodudes to make a 4x31 Male Onix to pair with my 3x31 Adamant Female Onix. I had HP geodudes in abundance so thats the stat I went with. Ill put an HP - Brace on this male and give the female an Everstone. Were almost done! Make this baby a female and Ill pair it with the 5x31 Male Geodude I made in the first part of this guide. THIS IS THE LAST PART BREEDING THIS ONIX!! YAY!! Onix will hold an everstone, and Geodude will hold an ATK - Brace, completing the last parts in our perfect Onix! Since this is the final breed, I can gender this Onix however I want. I think Male Onix are more popular, so Im going to make mine a male. And there you have it! A perfect 5x31 Natured pokemon! Complete with a Luxury ball. ;) Final Result: Edited May 7, 2016 by WolfgangDamien ragstal 1 Link to comment
WolfgangDamien Posted February 15, 2016 Author Share Posted February 15, 2016 (edited) Examples What is an Egg Move? Spoiler An Egg Move is a move passed down via breeding. Usually, the Father pokemon passes down moves in breeding. Moves that both parents know will also pass down. You can check the PokeDex for what Egg Moves are available for each pokemon. In the Breeding Preview Panel, the Egg Moves are shown in bright green, much like the braced IV stats and Nature. Some pokemon can only learn one or two moves at lvl 1 and essentially have no egg moves, like Magikarp, who can only know Splash no matter what you breed a female magikarp with. Other pokemon can be born with a full competitive moveset at lvl 1, passing down expensive TMs and Tutor moves for free. HM moves also pass down. Ever seen a lvl 1 Pidgey with FLY? Ill get into all this more in-depth later. How to Breed A Particular Egg Move Spoiler Im sure a lot of us have been there, you're working on a new Pokemon and you're browsing through the Move List and you see a move you're DYING to have, but it is an Egg Move only! UGH! So how do you even START? First we identify the Egg Group of the pokemon species we want to have the move. For this tutorial, Im breeding a Growlithe. Growlithe is in the Field Egg Group. Id like to breed the move Morning Sun onto it. Next, we figure out what all OTHER Pokemon, besides Growlithe, that can learn Morning Sun, either NATURALLY, which is via leveling up, or by TUTORING, whichever is cheaper and/or easier. In my research Ive found that 2 Pokemon can learn Morning Sun via leveling up, Espeon and Beautifly. Of these two, Espeon is luckily in Growlithe's Egg Group. So now, what I need is a FEMALE Growlithe, to ensure my baby pokemon is also a Growlithe and a MALE Espeon who knows the move Morning Sun. Espeon learns Morning Sun at level 33. To save yourself time and money, make sure this pair are also compatible either in IVs or NATURE. Egg Moves are passed down automatically and for free! No need to hold a particular item. Be sure to brace for NATURE or IV stats normally! I have a pair of breeders sitting in my PC that match up for this perfectly. Im going to go ahead and brace the IVs that I want like normal and hand them over to the Day-Care Man to check the preview to make sure my move is passed down. Perfect! Morning Sun is in green in the breeding preview. Let's go ahead and breed these two. This Growlithe isnt quite finished, so Im going to make it a female so I can continue to breed it. Morning Sun ought to carry on through breeding as long as you keep the baby species a Growlithe. And heres my result: Spoiler Just to prove that your egg moves will stay put during further breeding. Here is the finished product when I was done breeding that Growlithe. How to Chain-Breed A Particular Egg Move / How To Breed Pokemon of Different Egg Groups Spoiler This is can be a very tricky process and must be carried out rather precisely. For this portion of the tutorial, Im going to breed Dragon Dance onto a Larvitar. Larvitar is part of the Monster Egg Group. However, the only pokemon that can learn Dragon Dance naturally via leveling up are NOT in the Monster Egg Group, and Im trying to keep this cheap. Many pokemon have more than one Egg Group they belong to, which makes it possible to changes species and Egg Groups. So how do you start? A teammate of mine told me the order of how to do this, but any chain can easily be mapped out if you google egg groups and moves. For this tutorial, Ill be breeding Dragon Dance down via Gyarados > Charmander > Larvitar. Why this particular order and these Pokemon? Magikarp is a cheap and common breeder and I already had one suitable sitting in my PC box. Ill raise it to a level 47 Gyarados when it will learn Dragon Dance naturally. Charmander belongs to two Egg Groups, Dragon and Monster. Since Magikarp / Gyarados are part of the Dragon Egg Group, and Larvitar is in the Monster Egg Group, Charmander makes a perfect segway between the two. Charmander is also capable of learning Dragon Dance via Egg Move, but cannot learn it via leveling up or tutor. That's important too! Larvitar has to be the last pokemon in the chain to ensure the final pokemon will also be a Larvitar. First were going to need a MALE Gyarados that knows Dragon Dance, and a FEMALE Charmander. Remember to match up IVs and natures accordingly! Im going to brace the pair accordingly and hand them over to the Day-Care Man. Heres my pairing: Now, in order to flip the species from a Charmander into a Larvitar, were going to need to make this Charmander baby a MALE. And then pair it with a compatible FEMALE Larvitar. And heres my MALE baby Charmander with Dragon Dance. Now Ill pair it with a compatible FEMALE Larvitar... Dragon Dance is carried over, perfect! Now lets breed these two! Now, since Larvitars are expensive, Im using one I caught myself and sacrificing my HP IV, but dont worry, I bought a breeder to fix that right up. So Im going to make this Larvitar baby a FEMALE for that purpose, plus I still need to put a NATURE on it. And heres my result! A baby FEMALE Larvitar complete with Dragon Dance! ` Remember to use Pokemon who are also compatible with NATURE or IVs and brace them accordingly during the breeding process! Edited July 16, 2016 by WolfgangDamien added egg move & egg group info systematic, DeadeyeDonny, GBush and 1 other 4 Link to comment
WolfgangDamien Posted February 15, 2016 Author Share Posted February 15, 2016 (edited) Examples "Free" Breeding Spoiler Free breeding is just breeding with no braces or other held items. All the stats will range from the highest and lowest ranges of its parents. Shared / Overlapping stats: As you can see, this poliwag cant possibly get an HP stat higher or lower than 9 because his parents share this stat and they overlap. Close Range Stats: In the case of the DEFENSE stat, with a high ranges of 25-28, this can only be a good outcome! Its not the best, but its great for free, wild-caught pokemon! In the case of the ATK stat, with a low range of 6 - 9, this can only be a bad outcome, and will require more work. Large Range Stats: In the case of the SPEED stat, with a wide range of 5 - 20, this is pure luck, good, bad or mediocre. When you're not bracing stats, anything goes. You're probably more likely to get a lower number, though. Are ya feelin' lucky? No money spent on gender selection, and a simple $200 pokeball is all that is spent, if you add in the parent's pokeballs, a grand total of $600 if you caught them with only one ball each. Heres my result: "Budget" Breeding Spoiler So you want a good pokemon without spending a million+ or investing a bunch of time in breeding? Spoiler Well so does everyone else! This section is going to teach you how to make great pokemon on a budget. Ill try to include more than just one example. How do you start? Most of the time, you just caught a GREAT pokemon, 4x20+ or 5x20+ but......... its got a single digit in the MOST IMPORTANT stat, or the nature just ruins it. Like this charmander for example: Someone thought it wasnt worth keeping so I bought it off the GTL for under 20k. It has a JOLLY nature, which is +SPEED, -SP ATK, a great nature for a physical charizard, but this charmander only has 4 ATK IV and 23 SP ATK. So its not quite ready for battle, is it? So lets take what weve learned so far: This Charmander is a male, finding a female charmander good enough to breed it with will be difficult or very expensive. Also, Charizard is a versatile pokemon, it can be physical, special, or mixed. According to the IVs and nature, this charmander could be rebred to be any of these options. if I switch the nature to something like TIMID (+ speed - atk) or MODEST (+sp atk - atk) it would be a special charizard and perfect for battle. If I keep the nature, forget about it's SP ATK IV and add ATK onto it instead, it'll be a physical charizard. Or I could put some more work into it and change the nature AND add ATK to it and make it a mixed charizard. It depends on whatever you personally want to make it as, or the availability of breeders if you're buying them rather than spending as long as needed to catch a wild breeder. For this guide, and this particular breed, I bought a ditto based on what was cheap and available. I found this beauty for 40k: Ive decided to keep the nature and go for a physical charizard. So I put an everstone on charmander and an ATK brace on Ditto. Heres what my pairing looks like: Looks like a damn good Jolly charizard-in-the-making to me! Lets breed them! This is a final breed, and females are rather expensive, so I could either make it a male, which I think is more popular, or let the gender be random for free. I chose to let the gender be random for free to minimize cost. Lets racap my expenses. I spent: 20k or less on the charmander (I really cant remember what I spent on it), 40k on the ditto, 15k on a single ATK brace, and I found the everstone in Rock Tunnel earlier today. So, in total, this charmander cost me 75k, if you want to include the price of the everstone, it would be 95k. Be sure to check to COSTS section for an updated list of prices. This guide was started before the price reduction on Braces. And how did it turn out? Pretty well I think! Special Cases / Other Hold Items used in Breeding Spoiler There are several "special case" Pokemon and moves that require doing something special, or using Hold Items other than Braces and Everstones, in order to achieve them. Baby pokemon are one such case, as they cannot be caught in the wild. The only way to get a Baby Pokemon is via breeding. To get a Baby Pokemon, you must breed a female of it's evolved form. Remember, Baby Pokemon cannot breed. Only their evolved forms can breed. Another special case is Azurill. Notice when you breed Marill or Azumarill, you always get a baby Marill, but never an Azurill. This is because in order to get an Azurill, you'll need a female Marill or Azumarill to hold a Sea Incense while breeding. It wont work if the male holds the Sea Incense! Some Pokemon require a special Hold Item during breeding to get a particular Egg Move, for example, Pikachu can only learn Volt Tackle if you breed it while holding a Light Ball. Tips Cut Egg Hatch Time In Half Spoiler Place a pokemon with FLAME BODY ability first in your party to cut egg hatching time in half. You'll know an ability is activated when it appears in the top-left hand corner of your screen, under your location, money on-hand, and the current in-game time. Pokeball Selection Spoiler When you've finished breeding a perfect pokemon, dont forget the last detail: a special pokeball! If the standard red & white is what you like, dont allow me to stop you from using it. But maybe you want something different? The options are a little limited, but there are still a variety of pokeballs to choose from. Maybe a pokeball that matches your pokemon's colors, or it's types colors, or just your favorite one? Im partial to the Net and Luxury balls myself. To be updated as needed Edited July 16, 2016 by WolfgangDamien added special cases / other hold items ragstal 1 Link to comment
Spaintakula Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 (edited) I mean, there's already a thread that explains how breeding works and how to build the perfect poke, and if that isn't enough, you got generations of breeding info on serebii or bulbapedia or whatever other website there is, which gives a lot more detailed info than here. Just saying. Also, next on Guides; An introduction on getting the running shoes, with video. Edited February 15, 2016 by Spaintakula ShadowGary 1 Link to comment
WolfgangDamien Posted February 15, 2016 Author Share Posted February 15, 2016 (edited) Well Ive had hundreds of players ask me how to breed and they dont understand the current guide. I thought a really simple guide with pictures would help these people out, because Ive pretty much been typing out everything in this guide into chat in PokeMMO for months now. Also Ive found people whove been breeding pokemon for months without braces who never knew where to buy them. Or that pokemon could even hold items during the breeding, or that breeding consumes items. Also specifically stated this is supposed to be a introduction with as basic info as possible. Edited February 15, 2016 by WolfgangDamien ragstal 1 Link to comment
Spaintakula Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 Well Ive had hundreds of players ask me how to breed and they dont understand the current guide. I thought a really simple guide with pictures would help these people out, because Ive pretty much been typing out everything in this guide into chat in PokeMMO for months now. Also Ive found people whove been breeding pokemon for months without braces who never knew where to buy them. Or that pokemon could even hold items during the breeding, or that breeding consumes items. Those people usually can't be bothered to google for info. What makes you think they'd see your guide and not the better-formed complete explanation of breeding? Sorry, as much effort as you put in it, I'm trashing all that, and I'm bad for doing so, but I just really don't see the point of more guides when there are already ones that are good enough to get the job done. Been seeing pointless guides lately, that's all. Link to comment
WolfgangDamien Posted February 15, 2016 Author Share Posted February 15, 2016 I was totally expecting something different after i read the title. Gotta say, I'm disappointed., Id like to know what you were expecting, maybe I can include something in the guide about it. ragstal and Zehkar 2 Link to comment
3106132 Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 I think that this could be helpful, not trying to trash anyone's opinion I am just stating mine. Why try going into complicated tutorials when you could just look at this basic one? Maybe I just don't understand, I will end my reply here. WolfgangDamien and ragstal 2 Link to comment
XvMugenvX Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 Sometimes the basics can be more helpful to newer players, unfamiliar with archives such as serebii or bulbapedia. Or more helpful than an in depth, all encompassing guide that they may find overwhelming. Gotta learn to crawl before you can walk, as the saying goes. I think you did a good job on this, bud. WolfgangDamien and ragstal 2 Link to comment
axx Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 (edited) Nice guide, maybe you can include a video of breeding a 5x31 (only the important steps, no the wait ofc) i'm sure that would help out several users. Fuck you fat toad. Edited March 4, 2016 by axx Keep your posts on topic, please. Spaintakula and ragstal 2 Link to comment
WolfgangDamien Posted February 15, 2016 Author Share Posted February 15, 2016 (edited) Those people usually can't be bothered to google for info. What makes you think they'd see your guide and not the better-formed complete explanation of breeding? Sorry, as much effort as you put in it, I'm trashing all that, and I'm bad for doing so, but I just really don't see the point of more guides when there are already ones that are good enough to get the job done. Been seeing pointless guides lately, that's all. My usual response from these people when I refer them to the current guide is that it is too long and complicated for a beginner. They do however listen to me when I take the time to explain the basics of breeding in chat. This guide is almost entirely based on questions Ive been asked daily, repeatedly, since I myself first learned how to breed over 1100 in-game hours ago. Edited February 15, 2016 by WolfgangDamien ragstal 1 Link to comment
GBush Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 I like this, great job so far. ragstal and WolfgangDamien 2 Link to comment
hihats Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 Great guide, really like it! Looking forward to you completing it. ragstal and WolfgangDamien 2 Link to comment
RedSoulz Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 This guide definitely is helpful and thanks for putting in the time and effort for making this to help out the community. Really appreciated. Keep up the good work. WolfgangDamien and ragstal 2 Link to comment
Gilan Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 (edited) Honestly, I feel like if you made a video, that would be best. I've found that people who don't understand my guide are the people who actually don't take the time to read it (which is understandable), and these people would benefit from a video. Just my two cents. I have like half a guide video laying around somewhere on my desktop, never finished it though. edit: from one breeding guide maker to another, nice guide =P keep it up! Edited March 29, 2016 by Gilan Arimanius, WolfgangDamien and ragstal 3 Link to comment
WolfgangDamien Posted April 3, 2016 Author Share Posted April 3, 2016 Honestly, I feel like if you made a video, that would be best. I've found that people who don't understand my guide are the people who actually don't take the time to read it (which is understandable), and these people would benefit from a video. Just my two cents. I have like half a guide video laying around somewhere on my desktop, never finished it though. edit: from one breeding guide maker to another, nice guide =P keep it up! Unfortunately my mac has been broken for a while, and all my design software + video editing software is only mac-compatible. If it was working, Id would have definitely made a video. ragstal 1 Link to comment
systematic Posted May 5, 2016 Share Posted May 5, 2016 (edited) Hey a question , I may have missed it but.. what if the parents has both the exact same nature ? Do I still need to use an everstone? Edited May 5, 2016 by systematic ragstal 1 Link to comment
Arimanius Posted May 5, 2016 Share Posted May 5, 2016 50 minutes ago, systematic said: Hey a question , I may have missed it but.. what if the parents has both the exact same nature ? Do I still need to use an everstone? Yeah, the fact that parents have the same nature doesn't mean a thing, it doesn't increase your chance to get that nature by anything, if u want to guarantee a certain nature u need to use an everstone systematic and ragstal 2 Link to comment
systematic Posted May 5, 2016 Share Posted May 5, 2016 Just now, Arimanius said: Yeah, the fact that parents have the same nature doesn't mean a thing, it doesn't increase your chance to get that nature by anything, if u want to guarantee a certain nature u need to use an everstone Alright thanks man =) Arimanius and ragstal 2 Link to comment
Makezi Posted May 5, 2016 Share Posted May 5, 2016 Nice guide, especially the provided breeding costs will further ease me in evaluating future trades ^^ ragstal and systematic 2 Link to comment
Matoka Posted May 5, 2016 Share Posted May 5, 2016 (edited) On 2/14/2016 at 9:16 AM, WolfgangDamien said: Q: Is there a way to ensure a stat without holding a BRACE or overlapping them? A: No, just sheer luck. If you read the in-depth breeding guide mentioned in the Prelude, you'll find the mechanics / statisics of the actual chance of passing down high IVs vs low IVs. You forgot to mention the exception whenever the IV's overlap. Q: What are ALL the pokemon that cannot be bred, at all, in any shape or form?A: Ditto, Shedninja and all Legendary pokemon. You cannot get a baby Ditto under any circumstances. And all Shedninja are totally random IVs, like a wild pokemon, a 6x31 bred Nincada will produce a 6x31 Ninjask but not a 6x31 Shedninja. Legendary pokemon belong to a class of pokemon that Cannot Breed. Shedinja can breed with a ditto to produce a Nincada according to breeding preview. Edited May 5, 2016 by Matoka ragstal 1 Link to comment
WolfgangDamien Posted May 7, 2016 Author Share Posted May 7, 2016 On 5/5/2016 at 0:45 PM, Matoka said: You forgot to mention the exception whenever the IV's overlap. Shedinja can breed with a ditto to produce a Nincada according to breeding preview. 1) "Q: Is there a way to ensure a stat without holding a BRACE or overlapping them? " 2) This section means pokemon who cannot be BRED, as in, you cant add 31s onto it through breeding. Which is also explained in the question "a 6x31 bred Nincada will produce a 6x31 Ninjask but not a 6x31 Shedninja." ragstal 1 Link to comment
Matoka Posted May 7, 2016 Share Posted May 7, 2016 9 hours ago, WolfgangDamien said: 1) "Q: Is there a way to ensure a stat without holding a BRACE or overlapping them? " 2) This section means pokemon who cannot be BRED, as in, you cant add 31s onto it through breeding. Which is also explained in the question "a 6x31 bred Nincada will produce a 6x31 Ninjask but not a 6x31 Shedninja." My apologies, I must have been half asleep. sorry about that. Thanks for crediting be btw. ragstal 1 Link to comment
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