Robofiend Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 (edited) With the recent ban of Blissey, the Tier Board and its sub-councils have decided to adjust the tiers based on usage rates. This should have happened at least a month ago, but the OU Blissey/Snorlax ban and UU Chansey ban made us hesitate to take the stats as representative of the actual metagames. Now that it's been a month since Blissey and Snorlax were banned, and the Chansey ban has been made official, we're ready to adjust the tiers based on usage. The following changes have been made official: Moved Up: These Pokemon had usage which was above the 4.36% cutoff point. They will be moved up from their corresponding tiers. Each Pokemon's usage percentage for this cycle will be listed next to the Pokemon's name. Moved from UU to OU: Porygon2 (30.33%) Umbreon (14.51%) Moved from NU to UU: Absol (4.48%) Moved Down: These Pokemon had usage which was below the 4.36% cutoff point. They will be moved down from their corresponding tiers. Each Pokemon's usage percentage for this cycle will be listed next to the Pokemon's name. Moved from OU to UU Dusclops (3.30%) Rhydon (2.64%) Moved from UU to NU Gligar (4.10%) Haunter (4.10%) Misdreavus (4.10%) Blastoise (3.36%) Xatu (3.36%) Flareon (2.61%) Sneasel (2.61%) Magmar (0.75%) Fearow (0.75%) Crobat (0.75%) Note: Several Pokemon also fit the prerequisite to be moved down, but they have been moved and banned previously. This group of Pokemon will not be moved down. This group of Pokemon includes Pokemon such as Sceptile, Slaking, Jynx, etc. Thanks to Dr.Craig for compiling this list. Note that the Pokemon who have been moved down will not necessarily stay in the tier: they may be banned at the NU council's discretion. Since this is the first update to the tier, quickbans may be used in case something like Fearow or Xatu is seen to be too strong. Regarding Umbreon and Porygon getting banned to OU: [spoiler] [/spoiler] Edited August 7, 2015 by Robofiend Richie, G0dPower, SirAlbert and 5 others 8 Link to comment
Noad Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 These changes are in effect from the time of this thread being posted, all official tournaments will make changes to ban lists to accommodate this. Link to comment
BurntZebra Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 (edited) I'm actually kind of excited about these tier changes. A bit skeptical about rhydon in UU though, choice band set pretty much 2hkos everything. Dusclops might be too wally, idk, but there's crawdaunt/absol to take it on. Dusclops also has umbreon syndrome where it is bait for a lot of pokemon, but I guess will o wisp/night shade or seismic toss can kind of alleviate that. I think the drop downs to NU will be ok for the most part, except maybe magmar, misdreavus, and possibly crobat. (I assume this is the thread for first thoughts on these changes) Edited August 7, 2015 by BurntZebra Robofiend and Arimanius 2 Link to comment
tacox Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 (edited) Lol i asked some people if they thought rhydon might go UU next update, and everyone thought i was an idiot :D called it 2 days ago :D Edited August 7, 2015 by tacox KouteshiKun 1 Link to comment
JonazDK Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 damn dusclops i UU i love it :D sad we are going to lose umbreon and porygon :/ also flareon to nu really excites me :) Eggplant 1 Link to comment
BurntZebra Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 Lol i asked some people if they thought rhydon might go UU next update, and everyone thought i was an idiot :D called it 2 days ago :D well usage stats are public for the most part, so any one can see what tier changes are going to be made. Although rhydon is UU by usage, there is a chance it could be banned to BL, depending on what the UU tier council decides. Link to comment
KaynineXL Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 Moved from NU to UU: Absol (4.48%) ;-; DrCraig, OldKeith, Platoons and 1 other 4 Link to comment
BurntZebra Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 Moved from NU to UU: Absol (4.48%) ;-; absol+ninetales was a broken combo in NU. I'm glad people realized absol was decent in UU. Robofiend 1 Link to comment
Arimanius Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 Actually Zebra I agree with u I worry about blastoise in nu and rhydon and dusclops in uu, Blastoise is really bulky and Dusclups can really take a hit but with absol, crawdaunt maybe this one might not be such a problem. But rhydon man, behind a sub or with parahax support (looking at u Junior) it might be too much Link to comment
BurntZebra Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 Actually Zebra I agree with u I worry about blastoise in nu and rhydon and dusclops in uu, Blastoise is really bulky and Dusclups can really take a hit but with absol, crawdaunt maybe this one might not be such a problem. But rhydon man, behind a sub or with parahax support (looking at u Junior) it might be too much I don't really think blastoise is an issue. NU is literally 85% toxic stall and blastoise relies on rest to recover hp, then stuff like ampharos/victreebel/bellossom can take advantage of it. I'd say choice band rhydon is much more threatening since it gets extra coverage like megahorn for exeggutor/claydol, and gets more immediate power so it actually kills vileplume/slowking, unlike swords dance that does a bit more to its switch ins but usually isn't enough for a ohko and therefore gets ohko'ed in return. Also I forgot about houndoom, which is immune to will o wisp and can pursuit trap dusclops, although it has to watch out for eq and focus punch. Arimanius 1 Link to comment
RysPicz Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 Flar, Magmar, Fearow, Sneasel in NU. TIme to get into that tier, shit just got exciting Pretty much like it, except the fact that sooner or later our UU is gonna lose reliable sdef walls (just my thought). Well I guess there is still Hypno, Clef, Kanga and Lanturn to take care of that role. Ride On in UU doe. Damn. Reminds me of times when Dodrio and Rhydon were in every UU team back in the old days, you know how this ended up right DoubleJ 1 Link to comment
BurntZebra Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 Flar, Magmar, Fearow, Sneasel in NU. TIme to get into that tier, shit just got exciting Pretty much like it, except the fact that sooner or later our UU is gonna lose reliable sdef walls (just my thought). Well I guess there is still Hypno, Clef, Kanga and Lanturn to take care of that role. Ride On in UU doe. Damn. Reminds me of times when Dodrio and Rhydon were in every UU team back in the old days, you know how this ended up right Too bad dodrio probably won't get moved back down, since low kick is op. Although if UU tier council decides to keep rhydon for whatever reason, I think something like miltank could get retested since the curse set loses to sd rhydon pretty hard. Tauros could also be considered since dusclops pretty much stops it cold and rhydon can take advantage of normal spam. This is all speculation since I don't think UU tier council has discussed anything yet. Link to comment
RysPicz Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 Tis all good let's test it first. I'll voice my opinion further after I will test the whole meta, just speculating out there Link to comment
KaynineXL Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 (edited) absol+ninetales was a broken combo in NU. I'm glad people realized absol was decent in UU. They wasn't broken.. Absol was good in NU, but not broken. Only reason Absol and Ninetales got moved up from NU is because I used them in UU everytime, only because I had no UU pokes. I'd say over half of their uses in UU were because of me. Also 85% toxic stall? really? Flar, Magmar, Fearow, Sneasel in NU. TIme to get into that tier, shit just got exciting Pretty much like it, except the fact that sooner or later our UU is gonna lose reliable sdef walls (just my thought). Well I guess there is still Hypno, Clef, Kanga and Lanturn to take care of that role. Ride On in UU doe. Damn. Reminds me of times when Dodrio and Rhydon were in every UU team back in the old days, you know how this ended up right Sneasel gets ohko by mach, I don't think its much of a problem unless you trap hitmon first. Fearow I think will be terror. Magmar unsure of, Flar unsure.. Edited August 7, 2015 by KaynineXL Link to comment
Robofiend Posted August 7, 2015 Author Share Posted August 7, 2015 Flareon/Blastoise/Fearow are my bets for things that are broke. Gligar will prove to be a good answer to how OU Ampharos and Hitmontop are in NU. Arimanius, KaynineXL and gbwead 3 Link to comment
KaynineXL Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 Grumpig & kadabra are worry free without Absol. urgg.. doesn't sound good at all. Robofiend and gbwead 2 Link to comment
BurntZebra Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 Grumpig & kadabra are worry free without Absol. urgg.. doesn't sound good at all. grumpig has to worry about sneasel/flareon/misdreavus now. Kadabra loses to sneasel/flareon/fearow. Fearow forces a 50/50 since kadabra is ohko'ed by quick attack and has to watch out for pursuit still Robofiend 1 Link to comment
KaynineXL Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 (edited) grumpig has to worry about sneasel/flareon/misdreavus now. Kadabra loses to sneasel/flareon/fearow. Fearow forces a 50/50 since kadabra is ohko'ed by quick attack and has to watch out for pursuit still Absol was like 50/50 kill if grumpig stayed with 130 base atk. Sneasel has like 95 atk.. not ohkoing for shit. Sneasel is just as paper as absol. sneasel still gonna trap, but overall its just more shit. fearow doesn't ohko kadabra with qa. Edited August 7, 2015 by KaynineXL Link to comment
LightLeaks Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 Nice, Umbreon to OU, now i see the Under Used list and want know, who stop him?, This is a joke no? Alakazam with HP Ground - Psychic - Signal Beam - Calm Mind only Scizor can stop him Alakazam with HP Fire - Psychic - Signal Beam - Calm Mind only Houndoom can stop him So, now i need use Houndoom and Scizor all the duels? AquilesBaeza and gbwead 2 Link to comment
ItzPhil Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 Nice, Umbreon to OU, now i see the Under Used list and want know, who stop him?, This is a joke no? Alakazam with HP Ground - Psychic - Signal Beam - Calm Mind only Scizor can stop him Alakazam with HP Fire - Psychic - Signal Beam - Calm Mind only Houndoom can stop him So, now i need use Houndoom and Scizor all the duels? lf Careful Kanga Link to comment
BurntZebra Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 Absol was like 50/50 kill if grumpig stayed with 130 base atk. Sneasel has like 95 atk.. not ohkoing for shit. Sneasel is just as paper as absol. sneasel still gonna trap, but overall its just more shit. fearow doesn't ohko kadabra with qa. 252+ Atk Choice Band Fearow Quick Attack vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Kadabra: 106-126 (92.1 - 109.5%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO yes Robofiend 1 Link to comment
Gunthug Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 Nice, Umbreon to OU, now i see the Under Used list and want know, who stop him?, This is a joke no? Alakazam with HP Ground - Psychic - Signal Beam - Calm Mind only Scizor can stop him Alakazam with HP Fire - Psychic - Signal Beam - Calm Mind only Houndoom can stop him So, now i need use Houndoom and Scizor all the duels? Or, you know, alakazam could get banned. There's no need to throw a hissy fit JayMetaGod, Robofiend and KaynineXL 3 Link to comment
DrCraig Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 Yea I expect to see Alakazam get moved up within this month. If it is test banned for no reason I'm going to lose my shit. PandaJJ, Gunthug, Robofiend and 2 others 5 Link to comment
KaynineXL Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 252+ Atk Choice Band Fearow Quick Attack vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Kadabra: 106-126 (92.1 - 109.5%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO yes adamant? but why? Pretty sure people are using jolly. Link to comment
LionKIng Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 Yea I expect to see Alakazam get moved up within this month. If it is test banned for no reason I'm going to lose my shit. thats the perfect way to talk as a tier list council member, good job craig! keep up the good work jolly > ada , always go jolly when the pokemon is used or gonna be used on every single team. DrCraig 1 Link to comment
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