OrangeManiac Posted July 13, 2015 Author Share Posted July 13, 2015 (edited) You seem to have confused Mirror coat with Magic coat. Mirror coat is the special Counter Oh yeah. Magic Coat is the actual move, so description is correct but just botched the name. Fixing when on computer. Edited July 13, 2015 by OrangeManiac Link to comment
Kizhaz Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 Oh yeah. Magic Coat is the actual move, so description is correct but just botched the name. Fixing when on computer. Cradily cant learn Magic Coat though :3 Link to comment
OrangeManiac Posted July 13, 2015 Author Share Posted July 13, 2015 Cradily cant learn Magic Coat though :3 Oh yeah so the move is Mirror Coat but I just thought of Magic Coat when writing. I got it now. Mirror Coat for Curse set is really viable, though. Link to comment
felix Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 (edited) Ampharos SubPunch Nature: Quiet Item: Leftovers Evs: 252HP / 180 Atk / 76 SpA Moveset: - Substitute - Thunderwave - Thunderbolt - Focus Punch * Pretty easy to use, thunderwave allows you to speed control fast things that may switch in and try to setup over Ampharos, like CM Ninetales, behind a sub you can choose to twave your opponents or just fire a focus punch also, didn't say it before, great job and good luck keeping it orange. Sidenote: I doubt bold Dustox would work, statswise it is pretty bad, the only way it will work will be as special wall full HP and SpDef and Calm nature. Edited July 13, 2015 by felix OrangeManiac 1 Link to comment
OrangeManiac Posted July 13, 2015 Author Share Posted July 13, 2015 To keep things organized I first complete this with my movesets, then add community's input. However, I'm a bit sceptical about SubPunch Ampharos. What exactly does it notably hard? Ice-types won't switch in on Ampharos pretty much ever, Steel-types are non existant and Rock.. well Hidden Power them. Just overall damage I think that STAB Thunderbolt does much more damage without type effectiveness because of the high special attack. Link to comment
Toast Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 also for CB delibird set (lol) you could put ice punch over double edge imo Link to comment
OrangeManiac Posted July 14, 2015 Author Share Posted July 14, 2015 also for CB delibird set (lol) you could put ice punch over double edge imo Oh yeah. Totally missed that. Link to comment
felix Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 (edited) However, I'm a bit sceptical about SubPunch Ampharos. What exactly does it notably hard? Ice-types won't switch in on Ampharos pretty much ever, Steel-types are non existant and Rock.. well Hidden Power them. Just overall damage I think that STAB Thunderbolt does much more damage without type effectiveness because of the high special attack. Implying Ampharos can hit Curse (252HP/252 SpDef) Cradily with any special move ;) Also, special walls do not like to getting a focus punch in the face, mixed would do a nice job as surprise element. Anyway, it is your guide, if you don't think it is useful just don't add. But I do agree with you, better finish your movesets before getting input from the community in new ones. Edited July 14, 2015 by felix ShadowGary 1 Link to comment
OrangeManiac Posted July 14, 2015 Author Share Posted July 14, 2015 (edited) Implying Ampharos can hit Curse (252HP/252 SpDef) Cradily with any special move ;) Also, special walls do not like to getting a focus punch in the face, mixed would do a nice job as surprise element. I'm not implying anything, it was a question. Well Cradily is maybe one but what special walls do we exactly have? Grumpig and Mime resist the Fpunch, so do Muk and Swalot, Hitmontop will Intimidate it, Walrein and Lapras are better off Thunderbolt'.. Edit: Well there's Piloswine which Fpunch is good for but due to Sandslash and Golem it is literally useless. Yes it is my guide and I'm not gonna add a set there which for me it doesn't make any sense. Not like I hate SubPunch Amphy as I used to use it in old UU but I just find it having no real use in the current NU tier. Edited July 14, 2015 by OrangeManiac Link to comment
KaynineXL Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 (edited) Scyther Reversal Set Nature: Jolly/Adamant Item: Salac berry/Liechi Berry Evs: 252Attack / 252 speed Moveset: - Reversal - Sub/Endure - Aerial ace/Wing attack - Sword dance * Solid reversal user. There don't seem to be many flying/levitates in NU so it's a good choice to switch from EQs/spikes. Scyther CB Set Nature: Jolly/Adamant Item: Choice band Evs: 252 Attack / 252 Speed Moveset: - Aerial Ace/Wing Attack - Return - Brick Break - Quick Attack/Pursuit * The overly used Hitmontop cannot switch into a CB Scyther(if adamant) which makes it deadly in a team, especially if the opponent has nothing to take a flying attack. Edited July 14, 2015 by KaynineXL OrangeManiac 1 Link to comment
gbwead Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 About delibird: since him and claydol are the only rapid spinners to take no dmg from spikes, would it be a valid option to put rapid spin instead of toxic? Link to comment
KaynineXL Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 About delibird: since him and claydol are the only rapid spinners to take no dmg from spikes, would it be a valid option to put rapid spin instead of toxic? Sounds like a good idea if you ever wanted to run it, don't think toxic is doing anything amazing so why not. Link to comment
OrangeManiac Posted July 14, 2015 Author Share Posted July 14, 2015 Mfw people are analyzing Delibird so much. But yeah true. Link to comment
fredrichnietze Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 for nidoqueen relaxed/impish 252 hp 252 def @leftovers -super fang -moonlight -earthquake - crunch or sludge bomb or ice beam you dont really need toxic to stop things from walling you, since 2x superfang put just about everything in range of a ko. between poison point and sbomb(if you run it) you will be getting lots of poison anyways. last 2 are for coverage. EQ is very good and crunch is nice to hit the ghost trying to soak up the fangs, but it's that good for most other things. sbomb is one of the best for general damage and poison is a plus. i beam hits golem and other ground/rock types hard, as well as the grass types trying to sponge up your eq's. OrangeManiac 1 Link to comment
GBush Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 You probably are going to post the drum set for poliwrath. But I have something else Def Wall Wrath Impish / Relaxed 252 HP / 252 Def Surf Body Slam / Ice Beam / Brick Break Toxic / Encore / Haze Protect / Rest Basically pairs well with Armaldo + Shuckle + Magcargo. Can bring in against the dreaded Sharpedo or Kabutops or belly drum Wrath. The handy resist to rock and having very nice bulk makes this useful. Plus getting in a hit or toxic into a poke that thinks you are going to set up is a nice surprise as well. Also under Arbok you should add that it has access to pursuit. It's an egg move. I'll post more when I'm not on my cell. ShadowGary and OrangeManiac 2 Link to comment
OrangeManiac Posted July 15, 2015 Author Share Posted July 15, 2015 I appreciate the input guys. To keep this guide as coherent as possible, I add my own sets first and then I'll collect in spoilers every community input which allows you to explain the set. Link to comment
CoiNita Posted July 16, 2015 Share Posted July 16, 2015 Man this is awsome Orange, huge thanks for making this guide! And just before NU Friday. ;) Raticate - Even with Raticates fairly bad Base Stats it's actually a force to be reckoned with. The move pool of Raticate is quite limited but the moves that it does get are very useful. Its speed is quite good for NU(163 at best) and it have good STAB moves like Return, Double Edge, Body Slam, Quick attack and Facade. Pair the last one with its Ability GUTS and you have a rat that really packs a punch. The STAB moves are easily walled by ghost type Pokemon but Crunch and even Pursuit make up for this. Also the fact that Raticate have access to Swords Dance makes it really scary. Whenever you encounter a rat, be afraid! Swords Dance Sweeper Nature: Jolly/Adamant EV Spread: 252 Speed 252 AttackItem: Salac Berry Swords Dance Crunch/Flame Wheel/Return Endure/Substitute Reversal - Even though this set is very gimmicky if you get to set up two or three Swords Dances its pretty much gg, that is if the other team doesn't have a Pokemon with a priority move of course. Swords Dance Quick Attacker Nature: Adamant/Jolly EV Spread: 252 Speed 252 AttackItem: Leftovers/Liechi Berry Quick Attack Swords Dance/Super Fang Return/Facade/Double Edge Crunch/Flame Wheel - It can be a bit hard to set up Swords Dance with Raticate since it can often only take one hit before the next one will kill it. So try to use Swords Dance on predicted switches, with that said Raticate can still be surprisingly bulky. Choice Band Nature: Adamant/Jolly EV Spread: 252 Speed 252 Attack Item: Choice Band Return/Facade/Double Edge Crunch Flame Wheel Quick Attack - This set is best used as a revenge killer or in the late game against weakened Pokemon. Feel free to edit/remove/add anything Orange gbwead 1 Link to comment
OrangeManiac Posted July 16, 2015 Author Share Posted July 16, 2015 Man this is awsome Orange, huge thanks for making this guide! And just before NU Friday. ;) Raticate - Even with Raticates fairly bad Base Stats it's actually a force to be reckoned with. The move pool of Raticate is quite limited but the moves that it does get are very useful. Its speed is quite good for NU(163 at best) and it have good STAB moves like Return, Double Edge, Body Slam, Quick attack and Facade. Pair the last one with its Ability GUTS and you have a rat that really packs a punch. The STAB moves are easily walled by ghost type Pokemon but Crunch and even Pursuit make up for this. Also the fact that Raticate have access to Swords Dance makes it really scary. Whenever you encounter a rat, be afraid! Swords Dance Sweeper Nature: Jolly/Adamant EV Spread: 252 Speed 252 AttackItem: Salac Berry Swords Dance Crunch/Flame Wheel/Return Endure/Substitute Reversal - Even though this set is very gimmicky if you get to set up two or three Swords Dances its pretty much gg, that is if the other team doesn't have a Pokemon with a priority move of course. Swords Dance Quick Attacker Nature: Adamant/Jolly EV Spread: 252 Speed 252 AttackItem: Leftovers/Liechi Berry Quick Attack Swords Dance/Super Fang Return/Facade/Double Edge Crunch/Flame Wheel - It can be a bit hard to set up Swords Dance with Raticate since it can often only take one hit before the next one will kill it. So try to use Swords Dance on predicted switches, with that said Raticate can still be surprisingly bulky. Choice Band Nature: Adamant/Jolly EV Spread: 252 Speed 252 Attack Item: Choice Band Return/Facade/Double Edge Crunch Flame Wheel Quick Attack - This set is best used as a revenge killer or in the late game against weakened Pokemon. Feel free to edit/remove/add anything Orange Nah I pretty much agree with everything here. I might just copy paste this when I get to Raticate. Arimanius 1 Link to comment
Noad Posted July 18, 2015 Share Posted July 18, 2015 Moved to the Guide Tavern and added to the Guide Tavern Index. OrangeManiac 1 Link to comment
OrangeManiac Posted July 18, 2015 Author Share Posted July 18, 2015 Moved to the Guide Tavern and added to the Guide Tavern Index. \o/ Link to comment
Robofiend Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 You should add Misdreavus, as it's Technically NU Link to comment
OrangeManiac Posted July 20, 2015 Author Share Posted July 20, 2015 You should add Misdreavus, as it's Technically NU Not at the moment but when the tiers will be fixed by usage it probably will turn though so I'll save myself from the trouble before it really is NU Link to comment
OldKeith Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 (edited) Hey, nice to see this killer thread. Unless my Ctrl+F failed me somehow, I do not see Duskull. And it is time people learned about the Little Sister, one of the most viable spinblockers in NU. Duskull @Leftovers 252 HP 252+ Defense Pain Split Night Shade Will-o-Wisp Toxic/Confuse Ray Highly underrated, this little beast has a very nice niche which is to completely shut down Hitmontop for what it does best, spin. Hitmontop can only hope to pull of a Toxic on it, but even so,it will need bulk up and thief to start threatening Duskull, two moves that aren't much helpful otherwise, especially on an utility Hitmontop. To avoid a burn, Top will be forced out, while the next entrant will take spikes damage. Due to levitate, it is arguably a better spin blocker than Sableye, and while the majority of NU does not appreciate getting burned, toxic will punish fire switch-ins. Running Confuse Ray can also help your phasing game as an alternative. Edited July 21, 2015 by OldKeith OrangeManiac and gbwead 2 Link to comment
Kizhaz Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 (edited) Hey, nice to see this killer thread. Unless my Ctrl+F failed me somehow, I do not see Duskull. And it is time people learned about the Little Sister, one of the most viable spinblockers in NU.Duskull @Leftovers 252 HP 252+ Defense Pain Split Night Shade Will-o-Wisp Toxic/Confuse Ray Highly underrated, this little beast has a very nice niche which is to completely shut down Hitmontop for what it does best, spin. Hitmontop can only hope to pull of a Toxic on it, but even so,it will need bulk up and thief to start threatening Duskull, two moves that aren't much helpful otherwise, especially on an utility Hitmontop. To avoid a burn, Top will be forced out, while the next entrant will take spikes damage. Due to levitate, it is arguably a better spin blocker than Sableye, and while the majority of NU does not appreciate getting burned, toxic will punish fire switch-ins. Running Confuse Ray can also help your phasing game as an alternative. Does banette not do the same however? I suppose levitate is the difference Edited July 22, 2015 by Kizhaz Link to comment
gbwead Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 Does banette not do the same however? I suppose levitate is the difference Banette does not have pain split either. Link to comment
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