Mnemosyne Posted July 3, 2017 Share Posted July 3, 2017 Donphan to NU cuz Bellosom wasnt centrilizing (or however you spell this lol) already. Link to comment
RysPicz Posted July 3, 2017 Share Posted July 3, 2017 Donph can be fine in NU actually, it gets walled to oblivion by Bello and Tangela and to a lesser extent Solrock (which has to watch out for iron tail and specs water gun). Link to comment
DarylDixon Posted July 3, 2017 Share Posted July 3, 2017 too damage calculator know doesnt need to calc cuz water gun does 10000 dmg on solrock Arimanius, Quilachy, LuisPocho and 5 others 8 Link to comment
Mike Posted July 3, 2017 Share Posted July 3, 2017 Pretty sure Claydol, Chimecho, Bellossom and Tangela are just straight up counters to Donphan. While it is a rapid spinner (which isn't necessarily a bad thing in a tier where spikes are so good) and be used defensive. I think offensive will be used the most but there seem to be enough things that deal with it. I can see it being less problematic than Granbull. SweeTforU, RysPicz, Arimanius and 1 other 4 Link to comment
Arimanius Posted July 3, 2017 Share Posted July 3, 2017 58 minutes ago, TheChampionMike said: I can see it being less problematic than Granbull. This is exactly what I think right now Mike, Kizhaz and Munya 3 Link to comment
LifeStyle Posted July 3, 2017 Share Posted July 3, 2017 Problem I see isn't Donphan itself, but what you can pair it with to setup on its counters and sweep, if your opponent doesn't teambuild thinking of Donphan too much then it just loses to band EQ anyways. Also Sturdy lead is always annoying. Yes, I think new NU meta will centralize around Donphan that much, but we'll see. Grumpig is shit @SweeTforU SweeTforU 1 Link to comment
SweeTforU Posted July 3, 2017 Share Posted July 3, 2017 5 hours ago, LifeStyle said: Problem I see isn't Donphan itself, but what you can pair it with to setup on its counters and sweep, if your opponent doesn't teambuild thinking of Donphan too much then it just loses to band EQ anyways. Also Sturdy lead is always annoying. Yes, I think new NU meta will centralize around Donphan that much, but we'll see. Grumpig is shit @SweeTforU Ur lucky I didn't join today Link to comment
LifeStyle Posted July 3, 2017 Share Posted July 3, 2017 1 minute ago, SweeTforU said: Ur lucky I didn't join today wot Link to comment
SweeTforU Posted July 3, 2017 Share Posted July 3, 2017 9 minutes ago, LifeStyle said: wot the nu official to show u why pig is god Link to comment
LifeStyle Posted July 3, 2017 Share Posted July 3, 2017 Just now, SweeTforU said: the nu official to show u why pig is god ohhh kek, I didn't play that either :[ Link to comment
DarylDixon Posted July 3, 2017 Share Posted July 3, 2017 (edited) 2 minutes ago, SweeTforU said: the nu official to show u why pig is god snore pig is shit ez sableye wall it Edited July 3, 2017 by DarylDixon Havsha and LifeStyle 2 Link to comment
KaynineXL Posted July 3, 2017 Share Posted July 3, 2017 Donphan will just play a similar role as it did in UU before Golem. If your opponents can't cover ground attacks, you're fucked. Link to comment
DaftCoolio Posted July 3, 2017 Share Posted July 3, 2017 Just now, KaynineXL said: Donphan will just play a similar role as it did in UU before Golem. If your opponents can't cover ground attacks, you're fucked. Crazy how pokemon battles work, if your opponents can't cover water attacks your probably fucked as well. Donphan not having rock blast or rock STAB makes it a lot more manageable than golem Arimanius, DoubleJ and RysPicz 3 Link to comment
KaynineXL Posted July 3, 2017 Share Posted July 3, 2017 (edited) 9 minutes ago, DaftCoolio said: Crazy how pokemon battles work, if your opponents can't cover water attacks your probably fucked as well. Donphan not having rock blast or rock STAB makes it a lot more manageable than golem Yeh, if you don't cover ground attacks, your team building is flawed - but it did happen in pre-golem UU occasionally(although before Meganium, it was more often with Vileplume being more common). What I meant was, because stab EQ is so strong, anything that doesn't resist it is not going to wall it, unlike a lot of other types. I'm not saying Donphan will be strong btw, I actually don't think it will be great in NU, too much ground resist/immunity. Edited July 3, 2017 by KaynineXL Link to comment
DoubleJ Posted July 3, 2017 Share Posted July 3, 2017 3 minutes ago, DaftCoolio said: Crazy how pokemon battles work, if your opponents can't cover water attacks your probably fucked as well. Donphan not having rock blast or rock STAB makes it a lot more manageable than golem Should be comparing it to Aggron tbh. Either way, lacking a secondary, powerful STAB really screws Donphan over. Its checks are many and all are commonly used. Link to comment
LifeStyle Posted August 2, 2017 Share Posted August 2, 2017 Ok I'm getting on the "ban Granbull" train now, that thing is fucking cancer to play around with. Only ways you don't lose more than a mon against this shit are pack superpowers on everything, pack specs on everything (and even most spec mons cant ohko it and get ohkod back) or bring a fuckle (but then again, Iron Tail > fuckle). LF discussion thread @BurntZebra @gbwead Kamimiii 1 Link to comment
gbwead Posted August 2, 2017 Share Posted August 2, 2017 (edited) It takes time before opening a discussion thread, so feel free to give more feedback about Granbull here in the meantime. (Not making any promises about a thread being opened tho) Edited August 2, 2017 by gbwead Link to comment
RysPicz Posted August 2, 2017 Share Posted August 2, 2017 11 minutes ago, gbwead said: It takes time before opening a discussion thread, so feel free to give more feedback about Granbull here in the meantime. (Not making any promises about a thread being opened tho) Ban Chimecho too pls DiDi, gbwead and Kamimiii 3 Link to comment
DaftCoolio Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 15 hours ago, RysPicz said: Ban Chimecho too pls but why doe Link to comment
RysPicz Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 3 hours ago, DaftCoolio said: but why doe Because I don't like it, it looks ugly... ask @gbwead. I honestly do think it might need a discussion but I hate typing from my phone so I will poatphone it gbwead, DiDi, Arimanius and 1 other 4 Link to comment
DarylDixon Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 19 hours ago, RysPicz said: Ban Schuckle too pls fixed, ban that shit annoying with granbull cuz too op that dog Link to comment
RysPicz Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 2 hours ago, DarylDixon said: fixed, ban that shit annoying with granbull cuz too op that dog Ever how is man Link to comment
Mnemosyne Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 People that want Chimecho banned are just bad NU players DiDi, RodrigoXYZ and Moisesrg 3 Link to comment
TJXD Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 (edited) I also think Granbull deserves a thread 252+ Atk Choice Band Granbull Iron Tail vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Shuckle: 70-84 (55.1 - 66.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO 252+ Atk Choice Band Granbull Double-Edge vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Whiscash: 102-121 (47 - 55.7%) -- 77.3% chance to 2HKO 252+ Atk Choice Band Granbull Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Sableye: 77-91 (49 - 57.9%) -- 62.1% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery 252+ Atk Choice Band Granbull Iron Tail vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Solrock: 144-170 (73 - 86.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery Plus access tot he Bulk up /rest set that can also be pretty miserable to play against in the current meta. Edited August 3, 2017 by TJXD Link to comment
BlackJovi Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 1 minute ago, TJXD said: I also think Granbull deserves a thread 252+ Atk Choice Band Granbull Iron Tail vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Shuckle: 70-84 (55.1 - 66.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO 252+ Atk Choice Band Granbull Double-Edge vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Whiscash: 102-121 (47 - 55.7%) -- 77.3% chance to 2HKO 252+ Atk Choice Band Granbull Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Sableye: 77-91 (49 - 57.9%) -- 62.1% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery 252+ Atk Choice Band Granbull Iron Tail vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Solrock: 144-170 (73 - 86.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery Plus access tot he Bulk up /rest set that can also be pretty miserable to play against in the current meta. whiscash isnt +def, crunch would be better vs solrock since wont miss, but yeah we get your point haha TJXD 1 Link to comment
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