Worried. (Shiny encounter rate)

[axx]

> specting devs to know wat they're doing

> specting staff to be honest

> some people actually used to believe the rates were vanilla

 

kek

 

if only i could find that post where i called their outdated faq card bullshit

[Frexa]

So... what has been done here its illegal, or am i wrong?

[Malorne]

So... what has been done here its illegal, or am i wrong?

I would say it is illegal coz the information about the product is falsified and kept giving out wrong info for over a year or two.... BUT HEY, CHARGEBACK CAN GET YOU BANNED... OH AND THEY DON'T THINK WE'RE LAWYERS

[Vaeldras]

So... what has been done here its illegal, or am i wrong?

 

no, it's not illegal

Edited June 18, 2015 by Vaeldras

[fredrichnietze]

So... what has been done here its illegal, or am i wrong?

good question. whether this is a confidence scam or not. from my understanding of the law in california (where ping'ing says the server is) it's not illegal but im not a lawyer.

any lawyers wanna chime in?

 

also can we have a conversation about this decision not to inform people of how the shiny rate works? i mean sure botters could use this to make their bots work better, but it's not like this information will help them avoid the bot detection. would "this is how to min/max you chances at finding a shiny" be the difference between a botter deciding to bot or not bot? no because they are going to do it anyways. we min/max ev training, leveling up, and all kinds of grinding in pokemmo. why should shinys be this great mystery we arent allowed to know anything about?

[Rigamorty]

No, false advertising isn't a thing when the advertising is for the imaginary credits known as reward points. You can't sue them for your reward points back in a court of law, and you didn't buy those points, you donated to them and were rewarded them.

[SgtAsh]

So from what I'm gathering from reading through this thread (minus the super long status posts) is that the devs seriously decreased the shiny encounter rate and didn't tell anyone. And not only was it decreased, but it changes based on each player, which we were obviously uninformed about because they don't want anybody figuring out the system as a way to increase shiny chances. This is what we're mad about, right?

[Frexa]

I should stop talking here about this, i think im gonna get banned lel

[Malorne]

No, false advertising isn't a thing when the advertising is for the imaginary credits known as reward points. You can't sue them for your reward points back in a court of law, and you didn't buy those points, you donated to them and were rewarded them.

so thats what its all about, friggin clever bastards

[Gunthug]

Writing contest results or we riot!

[DarioNeri]

woooowwww I better get a refund or theres gonna b some problems, i have donated 3 times and never encountered a shiny during that period of time. This a seriouse problem, i demand a fix or compensation for it.....

[caughtem]

So from what I'm gathering from reading through this thread (minus the super long status posts) is that the devs seriously decreased the shiny encounter rate and didn't tell anyone. And not only was it decreased, but it changes based on each player, which we were obviously uninformed about because they don't want anybody figuring out the system as a way to increase shiny chances. This is what we're mad about, right?

[AestheticsBrah]

woooowwww I better get a refund or theres gonna b some problems, i have donated 3 times and never encountered a shiny during that period of time. This a seriouse problem, i demand a fix or compensation for it.....

Well, I hate to be 'that guy', but I have to defend the devs on this. You can't "expect" anything when you are making a donation.

[SgtAsh]

I think the big takeaway from this is that the devs LOVE to see us grind. I started playing in 2012, and over the course of this game, they have just made everything harder to do. It's understandable because it's an MMO, but it's a constant battle of insanely boring grinding to get something small. Shinies are no different, you just have to grind even more to get them. Reasons like this are why I stopped playing for a year, and now that I came back, I'm starting to realize why I left. It's a shame, really. Grinding for a shiny, which is extremely tedious and boring in the regular games, is now even harder, takes longer, and is ultimately more boring than before. These are the reasons people quit playing this game, and something should be done about it.

[KingBowser]

I guess I finally go back to ev training at mt.moon. SMH

[Quakkz]

meh i dont get all the drama, mainly just a confirmation of what we already knew for a long time.

 

and yeah we need modified shiny rates in an mmo environment, only bad thing is that it was lied about all the time. but well, dunno if thats worth all the drama here now.

 

 

fuck me, right?

Edited June 18, 2015 by Quakkz

[KingBowser]

I dont think the problem was getting lied to, we all expected that, it was how we arent all lied to equally.

[Kizhaz]

I guess I finally go back to ev training at mt.moon. SMH

Shiny paras, shiny paras, shiny paras

[Senile]

I dont think the problem was getting lied to, we all expected that, it was how we arent all lied to equally.

Can't we all just agree that if we're in a position where we have to argue about which part of a problem is the part we should be angry about, that we should probably just be angry in general?

[DoctorPBC]

Just got home, and honestly idgaf.

 

Im at 4 warning points and im venting, if it causes the 5th then good on you staff, good on you. The forums were fun, tournaments were great, off topic ilu, hots thread keep rocking, peace and love all.

 

 

I apologise for the out of date information. This is a situation we weren't really sure how to handle when we began to change things, and ignoring it wasn't the right way to do so.

 

 

Are you for fucking real

 

Like actually for real.. 48000 FUCKING ENCOUNTERS SPENT HUNTING FOR A SHINY ONLY FOR THE GAME TO THINK IM SOME FUCKING BOT!

 

I spent 264 hours of my fucking life over the course of 4 months, and at least $50 in donator status for the increased odds for this giant fucking jackass to come in say we are sorry for lying to you for well over a year.

 

I recall a senior member of staff posting a reply to a thread regarding were the donator status money goes too months ago, im not digging up who quoted it but we were told that senior members of staff get paid for their contributions to this game from the donator money. Im sorry but I dont recall donating money FOR YOU TO FUCKING LIE TO US!

 

Its blatant lying, absolutely blatant and you trying to cover it up with oops sorry, we werent sure how to handle it is in-fucking-excusable. You have literally told countless people either through the faq or through the forums that the shiny rate is the standard rate used in the handhelds, you had dozens of chances to come out with the news that it isnt 1/8192 in all the other threads asking the same thing or in any of the dev logs as a small sidenote that perhaps the rate had changed for mmo reasons.... the only reason you are mentioning it now is because Jay had a crap ton of signups to find out the truth once and for all. THIS IS NOT FUCKING OK

 

THERE HAVE BEEN PEOPLE WHO DEDICATED LARGE CHUNKS OF THEIR TIME TO FINDING A SHINY WITH THE FALSE-PROMISE FROM STAFF AND THE FAQ THAT THE RATE WAS 1/8192 AND THAT ANY NOTIONS OF IT NOT BEING THAT WERE COMPLETELY UNFOUNDED AND UNTRUE. IM NOT THE ONLY ONE WHO HAS DEDICATED TIME, IVE SEEN DOZENS OF PEOPLE SPEND THEIR MONEY FOR DONATOR STATUS AND MONTHS HUNTING FOR THEIR FAVORITE SHINIES. YOU HAVE WASTED PEOPLES LIVES ON THE FALSE PROMISE THAT THEIR IS A REWARD FOR THEIR HARD WORK, THERE IS NO FUCKING REWARD.

 

 

 

The highend staff here are literally scum of the earth, you had your gms and cms lie to us all this time, all this time.... im seriously questioning the humanity of any of them who dont step down after this, who would want to work for you guys. You have community members doing more for this game than anyone not getting paid should have to, the tier council, thinknice, doublej, captaingrey, the list goes on. Then we have you guys with you fancy made up fucking numbers rnging whoever gets a shiny like its some rigged slot machine, its a slap to the face for anyone that has invested any money, time or effort into making this game a better game.

 

So all in all fuck you, rant over

 

p.s: I apologise for the super rude post, this whole post was a lie, I love you all staff, of course im still going to give you money so I can go hunt shinies at an increased rate, of course I dont mind if the rng gods smite my account with some ridiculously horrific shiny encounter rate, thats perfectly ok and its perfectly fine for you to ignore this issue for 2 years and then have you get back to me.

 

p.p.s: incase it wasnt clear fuck you

[Gilan]

Doc, your sig is ironically appropriate.

[DoubleJ]

So I just read through all of this and I have to just say one thing: Listing the donator status option in the FAQ as 1/7,373, or whatever it was, but not alerting the community that this was not true is just beyond me. This is real money you were taking from real people under false pretenses. Sure you can fall back on the case that donator status was still "10%" better than whatever the fucking shiny rate was, but in truth that doesn't matter. People really thought they had a chance to get a shiny when in fact they probably didn't because their committed behavior was taken for "potential botting". 

 

I don't even want to begin to understand where this logic came from. This is some shady shit and I'm almost ashamed to have donated myself. Consider that over, as I'm sure countless other players will no longer be wandering in your "gift shop". 

 

inb4 they release all the fucking hats we ever wanted just to get us to spend money again.

 

Fucking disgusting. 

[Gunthug]

 

 

inb4 they release all the fucking hats we ever wanted just to get us to spend money again.

Ah yes, the old "hat flood" diversion. Darkshade probably has a few special hats up his sleeve for just this type of emergency

[noobihol]

 

Shiny rate hasn't been a static amount for at least a year. It's variable depending on things like 'Whether donator status is active' 'Where you got your pogeyman' 'What you've been doing' 'How new you are' 'How much we think you're cheating' etc. A lot of the RNG for drops you encounter in the game is tailored in this format to combat cheating.

 

No, we can't tell you what the modifiers are. But receiving nothing after 40k encounters is pretty suspect and since people are reporting it's a common occurrence I'll take a look.

 

 

 

Moderators and Game Masters won't usually be able to answer your questions for anything that isn't public knowledge and they sure as hell won't touch a thread full of pissy people. On that note, I've updated the FAQ  for next update so it's no longer misleading.

 

I would rather have the vanilla mechanics than no shiny. As of right now money grinding is mucher faster than hunting shiny pokemons which is indeed lame for us shiny hunters imo.

[Gauneta]

I've red every post in this thread and I arrived to one conclusion: Thank you PokeMMO community. I'm 1 month away from my vacations and was thinking to pay a donator status and look for a shiny most part of the time in my free time.

 

Obviously I won't pay for anything. I don't like to be scammed or lied, thanks. If I won't get a shiny anyways, I'd rather prefer don't pay any cent for it.

 

 

Shame.