Worried. (Shiny encounter rate)

[sweendogforums]

All of the feelings in this thread. Just rampant. ;o

Edit: yes. I understand people don't enjoy being lied to or feeling they have been lied to.

Is she srs still talking :s.

[fredrichnietze]

That's why the new kids always get the nice stuff, time to hunt on new accounts boys

i got close to 5k hours on my many accounts then started a new alt and found a shiny in 27 hours

 

It has to be the other way around, Older people have a bigger chance. Can't see any reason why noobs should be rewarded for being noobs

see above

 

I understand people feel hurt because they feel like they have been lied to. It's pretty natural. But keep in mind that vanilla mechanics do not make sense for an MMO when it comes to rarity. From a game design standpoint the shiny encounter mechanics straying from the handhelds makes perfect sense. I know for me Shinys remaining rare is a priority, although I can see it being different for others.

The devs of this game are never going to be 100% transparent with everything they do or try and that is their right as game developers. It's not exactly personal either, they're working to make a Pokemon MMO that does well for itself, not give away their mechanics and progress.

Does anyone like being "lied" to? No. It doesn't feel nice but feelings aside it makes the most logical sense for the rate and/or mechanics to not mimic the handhelds. I think everyone here knows that, although newbies in game most likely don't.

I feel pretty neutral to it either way though. Not saying anyone should or should not be angry. Just something to ponder.

i think people are upset about it not being in the change log not that it was changed.

 

also since today is come clean day, 

 

 

Shiny rate hasn't been a static amount for at least a year. It's variable depending on things like 'Whether donator status is active' 'Where you got your pogeyman' 'What you've been doing' 'How new you are' 'How much we think you're cheating' etc. A lot of the RNG for drops you encounter in the game is tailored in this format to combat cheat

what was this static amount? has the static amount ever changed before this new method was implemented? 

pls respond

[Magnet]

Soo.... when are changing this game's motto from "no bullshit, just games" into "utter bullshit, what games" ?

 

ftfy

[Rigamorty]

To try and stay positive; at least kyu has acknowledged that the rates at the moment are pretty much broken. He said that not finding one in 40k+ encounters isnt right, so hopefully there will be changes for the better. As someone with nearly 4k hours since my last shiny its a relief.

I hope maybe this backlash will make them realize the issue with lying like this, and maybe they csn keep us properly updated. This game is in alpha, we should be told more clearly what changes are made so we can more properly spot "bugs" like this

[caughtem]

anyone wanna speculate on what else we might've been lied to about?

[Malorne]

anyone wanna speculate on what else we might've been lied to about?

the cake

[King]

the cake

Ebin

 

But seriously why do people even care?

If it's triggered you that much just stop playing

[Malorne]

Ebin

 

But seriously why do people even care?

If it's triggered you that much just stop playing

you're in the wrong section...
here, go back https://forums.pokemmo.eu/index.php?/forum/13-off-topic/

[ThinkNice]

Alright let me try getting all this stuff sorted out in my head,

 

So, is it a shock the shiny rate is not 1/8192? No, I can't say it is. But I never expected this, I never expected the shiny rate was messed with so much and for each individual player. The worst part is that we know for sure now. Staff members and especially he upper staff members have been straight up lying to us the whole time.

 

We can pretty much assume that they changed the shiny rates after the Altering Cave update, which is when the reports started to roll in. Which was https://forums.pokemmo.eu/index.php?/topic/16716-changelog-27032013/?hl=altering+cavethe 27th of March 2013, either that or the update that gave us breeding on the 25th of June 2013. Which means that we have been lied to for almost a clean two years.

 

Now Kyu stated he was sorry and they shouldn't have ignored the threads that were asking what was up. The truth is, you didn't ignore them. Your staff members stated that the rates were 1/8192 all the time and you knew of the existence of these threads. You knew of the responses your staff gave and I'm almost certain you told them to tell us. You weren't ignoring us, you were lying to us. Two very different things.

 

You aren't telling us now because you are sorry. You are telling us now because we were going to figure out something was very fucking wrong with cold hard math. I guess I should appreciate that you didn't keep denying it and telling us our numbers were bullshit and made up. Man, thank you.

 

On top of that, knowing that it was an issue and knowing your staff members referred to the 'FAQ' ingame and KNOWING this FAQ stated that the rates were 1/7373 when you have donator status, you didn't do a fucking thing about it. You literally, fucking literally, scammed your players. You can't tell me you didn't notice your FAQ had this 'little misinformation' in there for almost two years. Now that it is convenient for you, you guys are sorry and you'll change the FAQ. Do I have to say anything more?

 

I don't but I'm still going to C^:

 

Do you know how many people wasted hours and hours encountering thousands of Pokémon, without them knowing it was actually counter-productive? Do you know how freaking unfair it is that new players actually get rewarded more often that players that love this game and dedicate half their soul to this. It's disgusting.

 

This isn't about the shiny rates. We all fucking knew something was up. It's the way it has been brought up, it's how much was actually behind the shiny rates. Mechanics that the playerbase should know about. How much else hidden things are added in updates that weren't in the changelogs? I completely understand the lower staff members didn't know any better but to let them keep lying, it just means we can't trust the whole staff group anylonger.

 

I did state I would quit this game, but I'm not sure. Of course I'm pretty fucking mad right now and really all my desire to help this game's competitive scene get better has pretty much vanished. In the end, for the developers it won't really matter. This could just really impact the forum base, but as we all know 90% of the PokeMMO players don't even look at this shit. That's why I'm afraid you guys won't learn jack shit from this and will just continue this beautiful trend.

 

There are so many problems on staff level with this game this isn't funny anymore. You had to listen to the community. On comp advice, because you guys don't know shit about it. About shinies, because you guys don't know shit about it. And more that I can't think of right now. But I've said this so many times, is it even worth it? Anyway pretty much done with this game for now, but I still love this game. But I don't know if I can play a game made by these kind of developers. Maybe learn from your mistakes this time.

[Vaeldras]

Time to create a shitload of female alts so i can get my shinies.

And that's why they wanted to discourage alt runs  :rolleyes:

[Deejaye]

i dont care that the rate is different, i just don't like that the devs, instead of stating that "shiny rate will be adjusted to an MMO atmosphere" instead advertised that it was 1/8k and that buying the donor thing upgraded it to 1/7k

[dataforce]

I gotta say, I'm kinda disappointed that we've all been lied to for so long about shiny encounter rates.

 

I'd talk about how it's not right to reward noobs for being new and stuff like that, but that's all been addressed.

 

This is my main point that I want to bring up. Okay, we've been duped all this time and shiny rates were never set in stone. The thing is you don't even APPEAR to be sorry about it. Mistakes were made, yes. People were lied to and duped for years, yes. But is there remorse? No, there's nothing being done aside from what SHOULD have been done a long time ago.

 

So overall, I'm mad. And it's not just me; it's basically the whole community. I wonder what will happen if this crap happens again; how will people react?

[Kyu]

Time to create a shitload of female alts so i can get my shinies.

And that's why they wanted to discourage alt runs  :rolleyes:

 

There is no weighting in favour of new players. Make the girls cute though ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[shining]

can we atleast get to know how it works a bit more the shiny ration variables then? If i'm actively hunting a specific shiny for hour, how will that impact my shiny ratio?

[Vaeldras]

There is no weighting in favour of new players. Make the girls cute though ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

 

"It's not that new players have a boost, it's just regular players having their chances decreased " is this what you're trying to say?

Sorry but i don't believe this.

Most shinies i've seen were found by new players, and it's not just me. You already admitted that how new you are has an influence too.

[Senile]

There is no weighting in favour of new players. Make the girls cute though ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

You say new players aren't weighted, but you say nothing about if girls are favored or not.

[FuzzyRegirock]

It would be cool to have a system as to where the shiny rate would gradually increase the more you play. Ofc this wont actually happen but I'm just throwing ideas around

[Kiliminati]

You say new players aren't weighted, but you say nothing about if girls are favored or not.

Senile, once again, bringing up the important points that need to be addressed.

[Rigamorty]

There is no weighting in favour of new players.

It's almost like I have reason to not believe you when you say this.

[FuzzyRegirock]

Yeah what if this is secretly bias? This is a crazy Idea, but what if some players are systematically more likely to find shinies?

[Frexa]

 I knew that I was not getting a shiny, couse i suspected some shit like this, thats why i stopped shiny hunting

[Beldore]

[doggydom]

I'm just kind of upset that the system that will either let you receive a shiny or not is bias. All I want is a fair system based on numbers and not too much of me, the person playing. I mean I would never try to cheat or be bad. But if the system sees you constantly running around and encountering..it will think you are botting. If you have a couple more accounts but never more than 1 on 1 computer and you play them all, the system will still think you are cheating. It is sad. 

 

But ya, hopefully you(the Devs) will make some good changes on this :) I will be glad to see that. Love this game still and looking forward to more improvements. Mb just some more communication and fairness on your part. Thank you!

[Vaeldras]

I'm just kind of upset that the system that will either let you receive a shiny or not is bias. All I want is a fair system based on numbers and not too much of me, the person playing. I mean I would never try to cheat or be bad. But if the system sees you constantly running around and encountering..it will think you are botting. If you have a couple more accounts but never more than 1 on 1 computer and you play them all, the system will still think you are cheating. It is sad. 

 

But ya, hopefully you(the Devs) will make some good changes on this :) I will be glad to see that. Love this game still and looking forward to more improvements. Mb just some more communication and fairness on your part. Thank you!

 

Yeh, i can't even count all the captchas i got back in icefall cave (prolly less than 20 tbh).

[Frexa]

Thats why luuke and baron never got any shinies hahahah