PokeMMO - A new players first impression (100~h)

[Gunthug]

That calc was amazing, but didnt always exist. And are you gonna try n argue the way things were are better than they are now?

The calc came out in march 2013, thats around when I started playing (and you, iirc), so it kinda kills your whole "back in MY day we had to plug ivs into an online calc" anectode (although there was a month or two after one of the major updates where the calc was down). And no I'm not arguing that the way things were are better than they are now, but you made two points in your post and they were both wrong - I couldn't pass it up

[Rache]

did you use only caught pokemons or did you use the left over sheep that dede gave you?

Neither, but that's completely irrelevant. The point that I was making is that Hidden Power Pokemon don't need to be 5x31.

[codylramey]

The calc came out in march 2013, thats around when I started playing (and you, iirc), so it kinda kills your whole "back in MY day we had to plug ivs into an online calc" anectode (although there was a month or two after one of the major updates where the calc was down). And no I'm not arguing that the way things were are better than they are now, but you made two points in your post and they were both wrong - I couldn't pass it up

What, no. In what world did you disprove any of my points? First of all i didnt even know about the third party calc until bikemmo days, neither did many many other people. So we continued to use the websites. Not only that the tird party app has nothing to do with the state of the game at the time. As a matter of a fact it was a response to how shitty it was back then. NOT ONLY THAT i didnt use myself as a specific example but used veteran players in general. Even tho my time not having an IV calc was short lived doesnt mean everyone's was.

edit: lets also not forget that, back in the true CatchMMO days there had never been breeding, so no egg moves or anything which complicated the comp grinding process. Also, there weren't a ton of godly comps/breeders out there from a period of massive inflation, something that seems to frustrate new players

Even if there wasnt any breeding and eggmoves to "complecate" the grinding process it doesnt mean that grindng for comps back then didnt suck 100 times more than it does now. This entire edit was a waste of time.

Srsly dude in what world do you live in where that was disproving anything i said? My point was that things have been WAY worse for players and noobs alike and a lot of us, you and me included, still stuck around. If noobs dont like the way things are now then they prolly arent fit for this game in the first place.

[Senile]

What, no. In what world did you disprove any of my points? First of all i didnt even know about the third party calc until bikemmo days, neither did many many other people. So we continued to use the websites. Not only that the tird party app has nothing to do with the state of the game at the time. As a matter of a fact it was a response to how shitty it was back then. NOT ONLY THAT i didnt use myself as a specific example but used veteran players in general. Even tho my time not having an IV calc was short lived doesnt mean everyone's was.

Even if there wasnt any breeding and eggmoves to "complecate" the grinding process it doesnt mean that grindng for comps back then didnt suck 100 times more than it does now. This entire edit was a waste of time.

Srsly dude in what world do you live in where that was disproving anything i said? My point was that things have been WAY worse for players and noobs alike and a lot of us, you and me included, still stuck around. If noobs dont like the way things are now then they prolly arent fit for this game in the first place.

lmao things were way easier in the old days are you kidding me?

 

No egg moves, BP, shards, cash grinding wasn't a thing because cash was literally worthless, all you needed for items were berries (which were whatever cause cash was worthless) and your story Leftovers cause it was 3v3 with item clause anyway. Not only that, but since it was 3v3 and there was much less variety in the game due to a lack of pokemon, abilities, items and moves, you needed a LOT less comps; most pokemon didn't have very many good sets, and you only needed 3 pokemon to participate in a tournament. Sure, you'd want more to prevent scouting, but that's still less than you need nowadays, especially with significantly less pokemon available and less tiers to play in, there wasn't even doubles, or UU for quite a while. Oh, and don't forget that Hidden Power was virtually non-existent. I still remember when people argued about HP fire Espeon in UU, and other people argued that HP Fire Espeon was irrelevant cause nobody had HP fire lmao.

 

Yeah, if you wanted to catch a pokemon which is good for today's standards, it'd take forever. But fortunately, back then, pretty much everyone had shitty comps, so it really wasn't a big deal. Catching the pokemon could be time consuming, but if you just settled for a decent pokemon instead of amazing you could still do fine. Hell, back then, Natural Cure didn't even work, so people didn't even have to bother for a Natural Cure Starmie/Blissey; Just Timid with good speed and special attack. Plus, pokeballs were worthless cause #worthlesscashmonies. Honestly, any new player could join back then raise up a comp team relatively quickly, since everyone was at the mercy of the RNG gods and you didn't really need to be stacked with any kind of currency for anything. Lucky Eggs were currency, sure, but they were mostly just for shiny trading, or buying some of the few godly pokemon people caught.

 

tl;dr: You're fucking insane if you think the game is any easier than it was early on lmao.

[DrCraig]

Let's not argue Wtf
We all know grinding sucks now. At this exact point in time and for the past few months. Staff has been pretty quiet, hiding behind the novelty of hoenn. The novelty wore off recently and we need to unite as nerds who have to grind way to fucking much and want devs to fix said grindig.

[Gunthug]

What, no. In what world did you disprove any of my points? First of all i didnt even know about the third party calc until bikemmo days, neither did many many other people. So we continued to use the websites. Not only that the tird party app has nothing to do with the state of the game at the time. As a matter of a fact it was a response to how shitty it was back then. NOT ONLY THAT i didnt use myself as a specific example but used veteran players in general. Even tho my time not having an IV calc was short lived doesnt mean everyone's was.

Even if there wasnt any breeding and eggmoves to "complecate" the grinding process it doesnt mean that grindng for comps back then didnt suck 100 times more than it does now. This entire edit was a waste of time.

Srsly dude in what world do you live in where that was disproving anything i said? My point was that things have been WAY worse for players and noobs alike and a lot of us, you and me included, still stuck around. If noobs dont like the way things are now then they prolly arent fit for this game in the first place.

What in the fuck - are you and I thinking of different posts? You can't go back and attempt to retroactivly explain away your stupid points.

 

You literally brought up 3 reasons why new players should feel lucky they aren't playing in the "old days" - there was no in game IV calc which made you have to plug the stats into an online calc, catching a "usable" pokemon could take weeks, and there was a barter economy with lucky eggs and tms. Senile destroyed your last two points, and I destroyed your first one (just because you didn't know about the auto calc doesn't mean good players didn't either. Most of the people I knew used the calc, and I certainly didn't know you)

 

 

 

 

Not only that the tird party app has nothing to do with the state of the game at the time. As a matter of a fact it was a response to how shitty it was back then.

Wtf is this shit supposed to mean? You literally brought up the HARDSHIPS YOU ENDURED by having to plug IVs into a website - I mentioned the calc, which was widespread and in many ways better than the current one - but suddenly, that has nothing to do with the state of the game. If it eliminated the need for using the websites, which it did, then how is that not relevant to your first post?

 

What's funny is I generally think the new breeding system has been successful, and just needs a few tweaks. I'm not far off from your overall opinion of the game, but you phrase your arguments so poorly that it actually weakens them. Classic line inc: you literally tear yourself down

Edited May 20, 2015 by Gunthug

[Robofiend]

I'm an old player who still sucks because I'm lazy

 

10/10 post tho, the grind in this game is pretty unbearable

[ThinkNice]

This isn't actually true. As long as the odds and evens are in the right place, the Hidden Power type is 100% guaranteed.
[spoiler]
All bred under the new system, although Pelipper was unintentional. Only 1/18 IVs between them is a 31.



(Bred the Manectric on an alt, hence the "apparently hatched")

[/spoiler]

i dont know if you sply dont get it. I know its based on evens and odds but because you have to aim for specific even and pdds you have the same chance of catching pokemon with 1x30/31 as 1x20/21. If you mean that I shpuld use 20/21s as well as 30/31s the fact still remains that I'll have to narrow over 200 pokemon and actually spend a lot of time foguring out what to breed with what. Gives me a headache thinking about it.

[Rache]

i dont know if you sply dont get it. I know its based on evens and odds but because you have to aim for specific even and pdds you have the same chance of catching pokemon with 1x30/31 as 1x20/21. If you mean that I shpuld use 20/21s as well as 30/31s the fact still remains that I'll have to narrow over 200 pokemon and actually spend a lot of time foguring out what to breed with what. Gives me a headache thinking about it.

Aiming for perfection actually makes it more difficult to make a Hidden Power comp. 31 and 31 give a guaranteed odd number, but if you absolutely must have 31, you're limiting yourself in regards to what the other breeder can have.  If your first breeder has 31, your other breeder could have a 23 or a 27 and it would be guaranteed to roll odd as the average is 27 (if 23) or 29 (if 27).

 

Any combination of 23, 27 and 31 will produce an odd number.

Any combination of 21, 25 and 29 will produce an odd number.

 

The same logic works for creating a guaranteed even number.

 

Narrowing IVs is tedious though, I'll give you that.

Edited May 20, 2015 by RacheLucario

[Retricus]

whats the point of playing a game when its aint tought enough to give u challenges ? :D

i started recently too.. around 2 months of playing only..

and my works given me the result ..

i have lots of comps and few shinies worth in millions..

just keep up the good work n have patience for the result :D

Good Luck ;D

~MoHawk

[DrCraig]

Its not even challenging. Nothing is challenging, it's just repetitive and time consuming. All the processes are monotonous leading to something that actual is challenging, battling. But in order to face challenges you have to dump 10x the time into damn grinding.

[Retricus]

yeah i agree after a few attempts its starts getting boring..

thats why i hope for some new updates..

which makes the game intresting..

stuff like daily automatic events n other stuffs like it wud be intresting n gives the game a lil suspence too

 

btw

i got 1 simple trick i used for making progress in game

 

collection of everstone n shards are best possible way of earning cash quick..

i started my shiny trading by everstone hunting to get around 3m of cash from everstone only...{i know its super boring} but its the easiest way.

[codylramey]

lmao things were way easier in the old days are you kidding me?

 

No egg moves, BP, shards, cash grinding wasn't a thing because cash was literally worthless, all you needed for items were berries (which were whatever cause cash was worthless) and your story Leftovers cause it was 3v3 with item clause anyway. Not only that, but since it was 3v3 and there was much less variety in the game due to a lack of pokemon, abilities, items and moves, you needed a LOT less comps; most pokemon didn't have very many good sets, and you only needed 3 pokemon to participate in a tournament. Sure, you'd want more to prevent scouting, but that's still less than you need nowadays, especially with significantly less pokemon available and less tiers to play in, there wasn't even doubles, or UU for quite a while. Oh, and don't forget that Hidden Power was virtually non-existent. I still remember when people argued about HP fire Espeon in UU, and other people argued that HP Fire Espeon was irrelevant cause nobody had HP fire lmao.

 

Yeah, if you wanted to catch a pokemon which is good for today's standards, it'd take forever. But fortunately, back then, pretty much everyone had shitty comps, so it really wasn't a big deal. Catching the pokemon could be time consuming, but if you just settled for a decent pokemon instead of amazing you could still do fine. Hell, back then, Natural Cure didn't even work, so people didn't even have to bother for a Natural Cure Starmie/Blissey; Just Timid with good speed and special attack. Plus, pokeballs were worthless cause #worthlesscashmonies. Honestly, any new player could join back then raise up a comp team relatively quickly, since everyone was at the mercy of the RNG gods and you didn't really need to be stacked with any kind of currency for anything. Lucky Eggs were currency, sure, but they were mostly just for shiny trading, or buying some of the few godly pokemon people caught.

 

tl;dr: You're fucking insane if you think the game is any easier than it was early on lmao.

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Would you rather spend days on end hoping the rng gives you a good poke or be able to throw a bunch a bad pokes in a machine and get a guranteed good poke? I do not at all see why you think that the grind back then was any more bearable than it is now. i know i personally, and others may have different stories, spent a week to get my starmie and when i posted it to see if it was good people said i needed to grind for a better one. Yes standards was low but good comps were still ridiculously hard to find. i spent 3 days looking for a slowbro and setttled on one that didnt have one stat over 20 (Which was shitty at the time). And i love how you made being at the mercy of the RNG sound like a good thing. It sucked ASS. Yea if you got lucky it didnt suck it was great but very few of us ever got lucky back then. You also try to make not having a currency sound like a good thing? The egg economy was terrible, new players had very little chance of becoming "rich" in that system bc they had to find a godly or great shiny to even get 1 egg. And forget about trading. Yea it happened poke for poke or poke for tm sometimes but it was hard to get anywhere with that system. It wasnt easier back then and it certainly wasnt less shitty. You may have had less things to grind, which isnt necessarily a good thing, but each individual grind you had to do tood days, weeks even and was solely based on RNG. And omg do you even remember what it took to get an eevee, salamence, or snorlax back then? It was terrible, new players literally didnt have access to the most basic comp pokes of the time. AND THE FUCKING CASINO. Are you forgetting about that? We use to not be able to str8 up by tbolt, Ibeam, or Fthrower. Move toutor moves were not renewable either. But i guess thats not a big deal bc you already made 10 alts trying to get that bold eevee for a vap only to have to settle for lax or impish.

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TLDR: You tried to take bad things about the old system and make them into good things. And you ignored a lot of other bad things about the way things use to be. Things are better now if you cant see that then you are "insane"

 

What in the fuck - are you and I thinking of different posts? You can't go back and attempt to retroactivly explain away your stupid points.

 

You literally brought up 3 reasons why new players should feel lucky they aren't playing in the "old days" - there was no in game IV calc which made you have to plug the stats into an online calc, catching a "usable" pokemon could take weeks, and there was a barter economy with lucky eggs and tms. Senile destroyed your last two points, and I destroyed your first one (just because you didn't know about the auto calc doesn't mean good players didn't either. Most of the people I knew used the calc, and I certainly didn't know you)

 

 

 

 

Wtf is this shit supposed to mean? You literally brought up the HARDSHIPS YOU ENDURED by having to plug IVs into a website - I mentioned the calc, which was widespread and in many ways better than the current one - but suddenly, that has nothing to do with the state of the game. If it eliminated the need for using the websites, which it did, then how is that not relevant to your first post?

 

What's funny is I generally think the new breeding system has been successful, and just needs a few tweaks. I'm not far off from your overall opinion of the game, but you phrase your arguments so poorly that it actually weakens them. Classic line inc: you literally tear yourself down

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Just bc you guys had something to say doesnt mean you rekt the arguments. AND NO I WASNT TALKING ABOUT THE HARDSHIPS THAT JUS I HAD TO ENDURE. Read this carefully bc this is the third time i have to tell you. I WAS SPEAKING OF ALL VETERAN PLAYERS. What part of the do you not understand. Just bc i came into this game only a month b4 the calc was a thing doesnt mean all players had that luxury. And as i said b4 the calc was a response to one of the shitty aspects of the game back then. It was really nice, nicer than the one we have now, but as you saw once the creator went MIA the calc was unusable. (Some people had a copy of an updated one but a lot of people didnt) If we were still relying on that calc today we would be using the online calcs bc the GUI changed so much since then.

 

​TLDR: Yes the calc was really nice, but it was just a response by the community to one of the shitty aspects of this game back then. Not only that it wasnt sustainable, we went months w/o it bc of that fact,

[spoiler]

 

I know that i suck at presenting arguments, but at this point gunt i think its just you who sucks at understanding arguments. You are constantly misunderstanding what people, not just me, are trying to say and you attack points that arent there, change peoples aruments, or attack the smallest details on an argument as if that one detail was the entirety of the argument. Its become really tiresome. Even when you agree with me you start an argument just for the sake of arguing. You pretty much just admitted to that fact, and you derail posts doing it. You really should find a new hobby dude bc this is just annoying. [/spoiler]

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[Malorne]

I'm highly satisfied with everyone just unleashes the rage whenever a thread like this is made and not even a single fuck was given... Ever

Edited May 20, 2015 by Malorne

[LionKIng]

whats the point of playing a game when its aint tought enough to give u challenges ? :D

i started recently too.. around 2 months of playing only..

and my works given me the result ..

i have lots of comps and few shinies worth in millions..

just keep up the good work n have patience for the result :D

Good Luck ;D

~MoHawk

the challenge is actually dueling, theres nothing hard about anything else, its just boring, repetitive and pretty much time consuming for nothing.

[Noad]

Okay lets stop with the personal attacks, they are not needed to present your opinions and disagree with each other. Anything of this nature being posted after this will be removed. 

[Vaeldras]

I fell asleep while shard hunting; could have smashed my laptop and possibly killed my cat so if you wanna keep this game safe remove them.

Edited May 20, 2015 by Vaeldras

[Malorne]

I would actually start playing again if thr grinding factor was nerfed a bit

[ThinkNice]

I would actually start playing again if thr grinding factor was nerfed a bit

don't give them more reasons to keep it pls

[Malorne]

don't give them more reasons to keep it pls

mission accomplished

[Choconical]

we need double payout, boosted item rate, and cheaper brace. thats all and everyone will be happy
p/s: breeding system is marvellous, i just dont hab enuff monies to afford ;_; so do wot i just said ~.~

[DrCraig]

6 pages of juicy rants and discussions, let's just pretend it didn't happen I guess?

Pls staff give us some hints/answers/love and not a "No." >lock.

Pls

[Excelimpulse]

6 pages of juicy rants and discussions, let's just pretend it didn't happen I guess?
Pls staff give us some hints/answers/love and not a "No." >lock.
Pls

staff rip. next update......December 2015

[Bishav]

staff rip. next update......December 3015

Fify

[codylramey]

Is it just me or is this month going by UNBEARABLY slow.