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BREEDING

what is the point in breeding if you lose the parent pokemon and you only get the egg?
doesn't that ruin the whole point and fun of being able to breed? its pretty much like a reset system now


does anyone like this? and whats your opinion on it? and would you prefer it worked like it usually does in all the other pokemon games you can breed in? or do you prefer losing 2 pokemon for an egg?


 

Trading

 

Not being able to trade your starters or any pokemon giving by the NPC's in the game, for me kinda ruined a lot of things for me, yeah I liked that you had to have your starter at level 25 before you could trade it, but why stop starter pokemon and NPC traded pokemon to be traded to other people and friends in the first place?

 

 

 

 

( yes I know you can find starters in the wild now and you can buy certain pokemon in the game corner but that's beside the point. NO I'm not a breeder, I'm just saying for people who do breed in general, also I'm not complaining about anything, that is just my opinion and I'm only looking for your thoughts/opinons on it )




 

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U can find starters in wild, and still u can trade poke that doesn't have Gift ribbon. And this gift ribbon was made to stop selling pokes from alts(eves and starters).

 

 

 

BREEDING

what is the point in breeding if you lose the parent pokemon and you only get the egg?
doesn't that ruin the whole point and fun of being able to breed? its pretty much like a reset system now


does anyone like this? and whats your opinion on it? and would you prefer it worked like it usually does in all the other pokemon games you can breed in? or do you prefer losing 2 pokemon for an egg?




 

 

 

that is called "poke fusion" and now its way better than old more rng based clone system. now pokes value is stable, not like in old days when 1 day Espeed dratini was like 500k each and next day u could find for 50k or less...

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Breeding:

 

the new breeding system is like 10000x better then the old one. it is 1000x easier and maybe it cost quite a sum for amazing pokemon it is still better....and believe me you will get used to it and see the good in it.

 

 

Trading:

 

What are you even complaining about. my starter was shit(maybe yours was good) i wouldnt wanna trade it anyways i can find a better one in wild or breed a better one

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that is called "poke fusion" and now its way better than old more rng based clone system. now pokes value is stable, not like in old days when 1 day Espeed dratini was like 500k each and next day u could find for 50k or less...

For the record cloning needs only 1 parent and it will be almost exact copy of it .. the status, gender and even the evolution stage .. that's what cloning is but breeding is another story .. the child has some of each parent similarity and ALSO some difference which was the rng thing if i'm not mistaken

Just because you guys don't like the trade channel being so filled every day with each kind of pokemon doesn't mean breeding is a bad thing.

Also now you mentioned it the price is stable now but does anybody buy anything now ?? i don't really think that infact almost all players now complain about how is the market is a dead place right now.

 

 

and believe me you will get used to it and see the good in it.

Believe me i/we don't  ;) we almost all agree that the new fusion system is alot better in controling the end result than the old breeding system but still the old system was breeding the new system is fusion which make all the difference .. remove the killing parent thing and we all would be very happy about it .. trust me on this one .. it has been 3-4 months now and yet we don't like killing the parents.. right ?

 

B-but I can't create unlimited clones in an mmo which is based around the thing I'm cloning!

Again breeding is not and will never be cloning unless i get the exact same copy of 1 parent and don't even need the other parent .. our existence  from our parents should really prove that am i right ?  :)

 

 

Finally SparkyFox you shouldn't really open a new thread, you could have used the one Sleepy linked it .. not that it would matter anyway because nobody listens or care to understand (except maybe very very few) but anyway thanks a lot for trying to make sense on behalf  every breeder in this game  ;)

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B-but I can't create unlimited clones in an mmo which is based around the thing I'm cloning!

 

You know what? Screw it! Let's just all pretend that words like 'clone' mean whatever we want. I sure could go for a grilled clone with clonesauce. Selling pokeclones to buy cloneballs with which to clone wild clones.

The new system is boring, easy and is all about managing averages and sacrificing piles of pokes. The old system may have inflated the economy but at least it was fun. You could luck out and have the child be stronger than it's parents- though even when breeding godlies the large chance of getting a fat penalty to several IVs made it hard to actually "clone" them like most of the fusion-huggers complain about. Considering how well this slowed "cloning" it really would have been wiser to introduce a better way to kill our pokemon- preferably one at a time for money.

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ITT: people possessive about semantics

Cloning here=/= the stuff you study in genetics class. Please don't get all mushy over it.

Previous breeding was a way to produce multiple breeds of OP pokemon (eg breeding 2 6x31)with little or no effort for all eternity.
In pokemmo environment that is clearly not healthy as the only resource here is Pokemon.
No matter how "boring" you find it, it will never be an objective argument against the current breeding.

Yoou could luck out and have the child be stronger than it's parents- though even when breeding godlies the large chance of getting a fat penalty to several IVs made it hard to actually "clone" them like most of the fusion-huggers complain about.

4k sure was a "fat penalty" Edited by ItachiUchiha
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ITT: people possessive about semantics

Cloning here=/= the stuff you study in genetics class. Please don't get all mushy over it.

Previous breeding was a way to produce multiple breeds of OP pokemon (eg breeding 2 6x31)with little or no effort for all perpetuality.
In pokemmo environment that is clearly not healthy as the only resource here is Pokemon.
No matter how "boring" you find it, it will never be an objective argument against the current breeding.

4k sure was a "fat penalty"

 

Its objective enough cuz even with 6x31 parents you still had to breed for weeks to get another 5-6x31 one so it sure dose eliminate the cloning  part so please stop calling it cloning cuz it isnt at least not as much as the current system are.

As for repeativily breeding 3-4x31 pokemon and overflowing the market with it was far more better than currently  having to do the same process over and over and over and over again for each pokemon we like to play with or even worse for purpose of selling not to mention the overheads  for breeding multi pokemons which share the same egg-group.

 

For the fat penalty part he meant the -8 rng part not the egg cost .. if you didn't notice -8 chances are far more common than +3 chance .. am i right ? not to mention you have to get that in 3 stats not just 1 so bit me for getting over mushy about that cloning argument of yours and everyone else who would just like to call the old system a cloning system

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stuff

Still not getting the point.
The person is not losing *anything* apart from 4k even if he gets a -8 roll. He still has both pokemon he can breed and extras he can sell off to get money. So breaking news- there is no penalty at all.
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Still not getting the point.
The person is not losing *anything* apart from 4k even if he gets a -8 roll. He still has both pokemon he can breed and extras he can sell off to get money. So breaking news- there is no penalty at all.

 

Why should anyone lose anything in the first place ? see that's the difference between us .. you want to lose something in return of getting another but we don't and the whole purpose of killing the parents in the new system wasn't making anybody losing anything at all but just to make the breeding Ineffectual to the market which can be achieved with far more better ways than killing the parents or making anyone lose anything that we worked hard to get it in the first place .. it didn't come cheap you know 

 

also having the ability to try breeding more and more in order to get a better rng isn't bad at all in fact it is the purpose of breeding in the first place and spending so much time to get there should be rewarding more than just having another x*31 pokemon in your team

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Why should anyone lose anything in the first place ? see that's the difference between us .. you want to lose something in return of getting another but we don't

Nevermind, continue ranting

Who even is "us"?
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Still not getting the point.
The person is not losing *anything* apart from 4k even if he gets a -8 roll. He still has both pokemon he can breed and extras he can sell off to get money. So breaking news- there is no penalty at all.

The cost was time and depending on your luck it could be significant. There's no need get snarky.

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Nevermind, continue ranting

Who even is "us"?


Breeders .. if u have to ask :)
and i mean BREEDERS .. not craftsman, refiner, fusion master or whatever else you are calling the breeding now cuz its sure isnt breeding anymore





Oh, I thought nobody would complain about losing the parents. But guess I was wrong, here's the first guy.



And here i thought i would go unnoticed. guess i was wrong 2 ;) :P Edited by Noad
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And here i thought i would go unnoticed. guess i was wrong 2  ;)  :P

what is exactly wrong with what im saying, and im not complaining im asking for opinons, I gave choices, if I was complaining I wouldn't of bothered posting a thread

 

SamuraiHunter, on 13 Apr 2015 - 12:19 AM, said:snapback.png

Breeding:

the new breeding system is like 10000x better then the old one. it is 1000x easier and maybe it cost quite a sum for amazing pokemon it is still better....and believe me you will get used to it and see the good in it.


Trading:

What are you even complaining about. my starter was shit(maybe yours was good) i wouldnt wanna trade it anyways i can find a better one in wild or breed a better on

I'm not complaining at all, and like I said I know you can find starters in the wild but that's besides the point
what I am saying is, stuff like starters, if you and your friend want to swap starter pokemon for a while like I used to do with my friend, and for the NPC traded pokemon like eevee or farfetch'd you cant trade those at all 

 

 

 

I'll actually be honest, I looked and never saw that thread at the time

 

 

Please don't double post, use the edit function available to you. 

 

Yeah, sorry I know, I was trying to delete the second post I made first, but I never did it on time

 

 

Oh, I thought nobody would complain about losing the parents. But guess I was wrong, here's the first guy.

 

Like I said, no one is complaining

 

B-but I can't create unlimited clones in an mmo which is based around the thing I'm cloning!

 

 example: lets just say you have an umbreon and your friend wants an espeon and you breed your umbreon to get an eevee out of it to give to your friend for him/her to train

 

unless its the exact same level, exact same IV's and stats and gender, etc. it isn't a clone

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example: lets just say you have an umbreon and your friend wants an espeon and you breed your umbreon to get an eevee out of it to give to your friend for him/her to train

unless its the exact same level, exact same IV's and stats and gender, etc. it isn't a clone

The thing is your friend/you didn't put any effort to get that espeon. All you did was to get a decent female eevee/ditto and produced another("cloned" it, if not improved it). For a rare pokemon as eevee don't you think it would be pathetically easy for your friend/yourself to get it?
Now think about the mmo as a whole, imagine the number of friends getting freebies and their friends getting freebies from them. What would be the worth of a rare pokemon as eevee then

The cost was time and depending on your luck it could be significant. There's no need get snarky.

this is an mmo you are supposed to invest time to get the result.
>snarky
Pls go
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The thing is your friend/you didn't put any effort to get that espeon. All you did was to get a decent female eevee/ditto and produced another("cloned" it, if not improved it). For a rare pokemon as eevee don't you think it would be pathetically easy for your friend/yourself to get it?
Now think about the mmo as a whole, imagine the number of friends getting freebies and their friends getting freebies from them. What would be the worth of a rare pokemon as eevee then

this is an mmo you are supposed to invest time to get the result.
>snarky
Pls go

that was an example, secondly no your friend doesn't need to put any effort if you've offered to help or if he/she has asked you to help or do a fave, thirdly eevee was an example.

its not a business money making scam game like eve online, so of course your friend will get freebies, its game for having fun and playing together, your not gonna tell your friend he/she has to pay up for you to give him/her a little hand or a pokemon, especially if you've grew up with your friend

 

( EXAMPLE you've known your friend since you were 6, you've played a lot of games and pokemon games together, 14 years later you both start playing an online pokemon game, are you gonna tell your friend to pay up if he/she wants a pokemon, when you've traded with him/her before? are you gonna watch your friend struggle at a gym and not lend a hand by giving him one of your pokemon? )

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ok Mr. Adhmn4 I have a question for you. Are you the representative of all breeders? Cause if you are you are doing a bad job. There are plently of breeders enjoying this new system. For example I have been breeding since bikemmo and man was it boring as shit. Yes we had unlimited eggs but things were too easy so they changed it. Now it was 1 egg perparents and a "better " randomized system of breeding. Then in next couple of years they have been refining this process and now we finally have a system where you have to work for your pokes...im not the only example. There are breeders on my team who use caught only pokes to create 5x31 pokes and they still give away or sell to teamates. This system is just another breeding change that we need to get used to. It's not hard at all. Just takes money. Also ots not so boring. Cause you get to go catch pokes and heyyou may even see a shiny. Cause now you are in the wild more and there is a higher chance of that. So please dont claim your claims for ALL breeders and just state your opinion.

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ok Mr. Adhmn4 I have a question for you. Are you the representative of all breeders? Cause if you are you are doing a bad job. There are plently of breeders enjoying this new system. For example I have been breeding since bikemmo and man was it boring as shit. Yes we had unlimited eggs but things were too easy so they changed it. Now it was 1 egg perparents and a "better " randomized system of breeding. Then in next couple of years they have been refining this process and now we finally have a system where you have to work for your pokes...im not the only example. There are breeders on my team who use caught only pokes to create 5x31 pokes and they still give away or sell to teamates. This system is just another breeding change that we need to get used to. It's not hard at all. Just takes money. Also ots not so boring. Cause you get to go catch pokes and heyyou may even see a shiny. Cause now you are in the wild more and there is a higher chance of that. So please dont claim your claims for ALL breeders and just state your opinion.

Correction then  :) I'm not and in never said that I'm a representative for all breeders despite that i think I'm doing a great job :), but even though i think we should all agree that the current system is not a breeding anymore you may start calling it refinement or fusion system so that doesn't really make you a breeder anymore.

but as you said i can state my own opinion for myself and on behalf of another 57 person who voted against it in the other thread and also for the 193 person also voted against it in the thread before that so what do you think ? Am I the only one calling against it ?  ;) 

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Of course people prefer the easy way of cloning your comps.

 

Regardless of what you call it, breeding, fusing, blending, alloy, sacrificing, coalescence, intermixture, merging, soldering, welding, the process is simply a REFINEMENT process in which you use resources to improve your end product.

 

The previous breeding system was a CLONING system simply because by refining your comps, there was nothing to lose on your side, and you could end up breeding perfect pokemon that could be sold and which could continue to manufacture other gods for no loss. To put it simply, people would end up having every comp at 6x31 with little effort.

 

Having been a very active breeder during that period, I know how easy it was to just CLONE a friend's comp. I would borrow his female, pair it with my godly male and get the perfect product within 1-2 hours. Of course people prefer to have everything handed to them. But for once the breeding system makes sense and there will be no flow on the market of godly comps, because each one will require effort to breed and resources to perfect.

 

The new shift will be on wild catches, on buying pokemon from various egg groups that have 1x31 or 2x31. These are of great interest as they are small fragments of the entire REFINEMENT process, and people will be willing to trade, for example, a 31 attack for a 31 special attack, depending on their needs. This is the new market and people should get used to it, rather than wanting to have a team of gods done within a week.

 

As many people have stated, this is a MMO, where effort and skill are equally required for you to be successful competitively. If you do not like the effort, perhaps a battle simulator is better for you.

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well based on your stats only ~29% still agree that it is bad and the others either dont mind it or really like it. How bout this. Lets think of it in a more realistic way. Some species IRL die when reproducing. Some can claim its for the better survival for the species; however, others can claim that its a waste if good parents and they should still be alive. Would you say that human reproduction is cloning? Maybe not but we still have a limit. In the end all I'm trying to say is this "new" system is just fine as it is. All you need to do I adapt if you can't do that then oh well complain all you want nothing is going to change.

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