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The ultimate solution for future gens


Cyen

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We need more Pokemon, moves and items, everyone knows that. But we should NOT go above Generation 4! Why? Because the Gen 5 Pokemon are ugly as hell and don't have follower sprites, and Gen 6 introduced the horrible and overpowered Mega Pokemon + Fairies, we really don't need that.

 

So please just add Gen IV Pokemon.

 

For the regions, I think we should add Johto next, but there is the problem, that Johto doesn't have Gen 3 optics. And Sinnoh also doesn't have Gen 3 optics. But we can't stick with only Kanto and Hoenn. So what do, you ask? Well, I think we should reskin Kanto and Hoenn to have Gen 4 optics. Doing this with Kanto should be easy, since HGSS already did this, doing it with Hoenn should also be not very difficult, because Hoenn uses the same engine as Kanto. Then we can add Johto and Sinnoh, both have Gen 4 optics.

 

Thoughts? Dirt?

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You really should read other suggestion and what not, its all has been suggested before.

I used the search function and couldn't find anything.

 

 

You are a genius! What a revolutionary idea that no one has ever thought of before! Brilliant!

Thanks. :)

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With the Physical/Special Split we NEED the Gen IV moves to balance things out.

I can agree with at least bringing in the moves, but we have no sprites for the Pokemon unless we want to pull from HG/SS. And then we'd run into the problem of where to put them. Kinda hard to put four generations of pokemon in two regions without making hard to obtain pokemon even harder to obtain by crowding the spawnlists with newer pokemon

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What reason do you have for needing gen 4 stuff, and since part of the suggestion seemed to be to disregard gen 5, not needing gen 5 stuff.   The pokemon being ugly is a very subjective reason and shouldn't be used as a real argument for or against anything when it comes to potentially adding or removing something from the game.

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What reason do you have for needing gen 4 stuff, and since part of the suggestion seemed to be to disregard gen 5, not needing gen 5 stuff.   The pokemon being ugly is a very subjective reason and shouldn't be used as a real argument for or against anything when it comes to potentially adding or removing something from the game.

We now have the Physical/Special split, with that we need the Pokemon, moves and items to balance the game. Gen 4 also boosted many weak Pokemon with evolutions. For example Tangela, who would use this weak piece of crap? Nobody, but with his evolution, he is actually usable.

 

We just need more content. Yes we just got Hoenn, but if the devs now stop here, what will happen in five years? Will people still play this game, with only 2 regions and Pokemon from only 3 generations?

And adding Gen 5 would be problematic, they don't have follower sprites and their sprites are not in Gen 4 style. So if they get added, we must use the Gen 5 sprites and I don't think many people want that. Gen 5 also doesn't have any evolutions for older Pokemon.

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We now have the Physical/Special split, with that we need the Pokemon, moves and items to balance the game. Gen 4 also boosted many weak Pokemon with evolutions. For example Tangela, who would use this weak piece of crap? Nobody, but with his evolution, he is actually usable.

 

We just need more content. Yes we just got Hoenn, but if the devs now stop here, what will happen in five years? Will people still play this game, with only 2 regions and Pokemon from only 3 generations?

And adding Gen 5 would be problematic, they don't have follower sprites and their sprites are not in Gen 4 style. So if they get added, we must use the Gen 5 sprites and I don't think many people want that. Gen 5 also doesn't have any evolutions for older Pokemon.

It's true that after split some Types are missing special/physical moves such as dark type - it's now 100% physical and only way to obtain special dark move is Hidden Power Dark(After split it would be wonderfull to have special dark stab on houndoom) and i'm not sure how it goes in steel if it is fully physical or not (bulbapedia state that only 4 gen steel type special moves are Mirror Shot and Flash Cannon but i wonder if are they even implemented in game).

We shouldn't be ungrateful, staff have done great job - implementing hoenn and bonding it with kanto region is huge success, now it need bug fix/removal, not another region, give them some time. I bet that in 2 years we will get more of gen 4 content such as abilities and moves, missing pokes from gen 2, Mioltic evolution and beauty contest, breeding system upgrades and many more, even i hope for self-made johto region. Just give them some time and belive.

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What is probably a troll

Im not sure if you've seen the Gen 4 Viability ranks.

Excluding the legendaries the debs will not let into comp play, it is literally Gen 3 with a very few amount of Gen 4 pokemon.

All your arguments seem to be "What if" and based on a lot of your own (sub-par) assumptions.

Who are you to assume the debs will or will not be going on to Gen

All added to the fact that: You seem to think that you being a "Vet" and that you think people know who you are will somehow aid your suggestion.

This is not an ultimate solution, it's been suggested numerous times in the past.

 

Just my two cents.

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Seeing as you fail to see why people are bashing your suggestion, let's break it down.

 

 

We need more Pokemon, moves and items, everyone knows that.

Yes, we do all know that, thus your "suggestion" already comes off with an air of pointlessness.

 

 

But we should NOT go above Generation 4! Why? Because the Gen 5 Pokemon are ugly as hell and don't have follower sprites, and Gen 6 introduced the horrible and overpowered Mega Pokemon + Fairies, we really don't need that.

90% of this is your own opinion. There are some cool looking Pokemon in Gen 5 and there are some ugly looking Pokemon as well, but that's universal to all of the generations.

The fact about there not being follower sprites for any gen past the 4th gen is a valid point; however there is nothing really original by this statement. It will be difficult to get around this barrier, but I am eager to see what staff/darkshade has in store for us in the future.

About Gen 6. It is in your own subjective opinion that Mega evolutions and fairy types are horrible. Though I do agree with you on the fairy types, I am forced to concede that it would open up a lot more business for PokeMMO in terms of a younger/female playerbase, which isn't necessarily bad.

 

This concept is so far into the future that there is really no point in discussing it right now. That's kinda the main reason that I can see why people aren't giving your thread any respect. Also, you come off as "ungrateful" because we just got Hoenn after a year(s) of waiting...

 

 

For the regions, I think we should add Johto next, but there is the problem, that Johto doesn't have Gen 3 optics. And Sinnoh also doesn't have Gen 3 optics. But we can't stick with only Kanto and Hoenn. So what do, you ask? Well, I think we should reskin Kanto and Hoenn to have Gen 4 optics. Doing this with Kanto should be easy, since HGSS already did this, doing it with Hoenn should also be not very difficult, because Hoenn uses the same engine as Kanto. Then we can add Johto and Sinnoh, both have Gen 4 optics.

Reskinning a ROM without touching the ROM's themselves would be problematic, I feel like. I think the Devs are aware that new regions will need to be added in the future. I mean, they are saving the release of many pokemon for when they introduce those new regions (hence Johto region's implementation is already implied).

 

 

I think overall, people feel like if you really are a vet who deserves respect from the community, one, you shouldn't have blown up on Shani, and two, you should have known that such a suggestion is pointless, as it's premise is pretty blatantly implied anyways...

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I can agree with at least bringing in the moves, but we have no sprites for the Pokemon unless we want to pull from HG/SS. And then we'd run into the problem of where to put them. Kinda hard to put four generations of pokemon in two regions without making hard to obtain pokemon even harder to obtain by crowding the spawnlists with newer pokemon

 

Actually, I hadn't considered this, it would turn a rom that is purely optional into a requirement wouldn't it(also RiP Moemon)

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So, this is what I think (to actually get somewhat on topic). I think that altering the graphics of the johto region (hg/ss) would be a waste of time. Rather, embrace the different tile graphics as part of the game. So just implement hgss's Johto region as it normally is. Use Bill's machine as a type of "time traveler" or whatever you wanna call it, to transport the player into the hgss games. One bonus to having it function as a "time traveler" would be that the players would be allowed to explore the kanto region again, but with hgss's storyline.

Thoughts?

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For the regions, I think we should add Johto next, but there is the problem, that Johto doesn't have Gen 3 optics.

 

Someone made a gen 3 map of Johto on the internet. We should recreate it to make it work in PokeMMO. :)

 

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I think that implementing the 4 generation is a problem because mechanically Pokemmo run on rom pokemon fire red , so to do that you should completely change emulator .

while , to implement new regions , the Hack Rom is the way!. :D

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I think that implementing the 4 generation is a problem because mechanically Pokemmo run on rom pokemon fire red , so to do that you should completely change emulator .

while , to implement new regions , the Hack Rom is the way!. :D

I can safely say that hacks will never be used as a base rom for the game.

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