Noad Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 Is there a version of this for doubles? Id love to play but know nothing about it. The player Fredrichnietze is a good doubles player and he is currently working on a guide, he is taking his time though as I think he is busy irl with his job and other things. fredrichnietze 1 Link to comment
GAMBlT Posted May 18, 2015 Share Posted May 18, 2015 The player Fredrichnietze is a good doubles player and he is currently working on a guide, he is taking his time though as I think he is busy irl with his job and other things. Oh very nice. I want to play doubles, but I don't even know where to start because of how different builds are. Ive tried looking online, but finding things specific to our own meta here is a challenge outside this forum. Link to comment
Kyokatsu Posted May 18, 2015 Share Posted May 18, 2015 (edited) Swampert CounterCoat Ability: Torrent Item: Leftovers Nature: Impish Ivs and Evs: 252 HP/ 216 DEF/40 SP DEF Moveset: Waterfall/Earthquake Counter Mirror Coat Roar Mirror Coat and Counter are self explanatory, Roar is to force out stuff that try to setup on you, and EQ/Waterfall is to give it some offensive prasence Edited May 18, 2015 by Kyokatsu Noad, Vaeldras and GBush 3 Link to comment
Jolyne Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 Here's a sample for Machamp: HP 90/Atk 130/Def 80/SpA 65/SpD 85/Spe 55 Bulk UpAbility: GutsItem: LeftoversNature: AdamantIvs and Evs: 252 Atk, hit 91 Speed stat (outspeeds common walls; 70 base speed and lower), rest in HP.Moveset: Bulk Up Low Kick/Superpower Thunderpunch Ice Punch/Fire Punch/Rock Slide/Facade/Thief *Last move really depends on what you want to hit. Link to comment
fredrichnietze Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 The player Fredrichnietze is a good doubles player and he is currently working on a guide, he is taking his time though as I think he is busy irl with his job and other things. shit i forgot. Link to comment
Kyokatsu Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 (edited) Arcanine Special Ability: IntimidateItem: LeftoversNature: Modest / Rash EVs: 76 HP / 252 Sp. Atk / 180 SpeedMoveset: ExtremeSpeed / Sunny Day / Substitute / Crunch Morning Sun / Substitute HP Grass / Solarbeam / HP Electric Fire Blast / Flamethrower Edited July 11, 2015 by Kyokatsu Link to comment
fredrichnietze Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 Arcanine Special Ability: Intimidate/Flash FireItem: LeftoversNature: Modest / Rash EVs: 76 HP / 252 Sp. Atk / 180 SpeedMoveset: ExtremeSpeed / Sunny Day / Substitute / Crunch Morning Sun / Substitute HP Grass / Solarbeam / HP Electric Fire Blast / Flamethrower Arcanine Special Ability: Intimidate/Flash FireItem: LeftoversNature: Modest / Rash EVs: 76 HP / 252 Sp. Atk / 180 SpeedMoveset: ExtremeSpeed / Sunny Day / Substitute / Crunch Morning Sun / Substitute HP Grass / Solarbeam / HP Electric Fire Blast / Flamethrower if you run flash fire then gard and pory2 can switch in and trace you. better to run intimidate because then you can also support, and there are not many things you can switch in vs to gain the ff boost and actually force out. also whats with the moveset? seems all over the place. Kyokatsu 1 Link to comment
Kyokatsu Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 if you run flash fire then gard and pory2 can switch in and trace you. better to run intimidate because then you can also support, and there are not many things you can switch in vs to gain the ff boost and actually force out. true, edited also whats with the moveset? seems all over the place. wot Link to comment
Ellismiguel Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 Gyarados Special SweeperItem: Lum berry/LeftoversNature:Modest/RashIvs and Evs: 252 Satk and 252 SpeedMoveset Waterfall/ Surf Thunderbolt/Thunder Icebeam Taunt/HP Flying/HP Grass * This Gyarados is a Choice Bander set since now he has enough moves to make it viable. LF choice specs Nice guide though :) Link to comment
FlareBlitzz Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 Can somebody update and add espeon etc here GBush 1 Link to comment
Spaintakula Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 (edited) Sceptile @ Miracle seed/petaya*/whatever, anything but leftovers, your choice. Timid 252 Speed/SpAtk, the 4 in whatever floats your boat Substitute Endeavor HP Fire, or leech seed, if you want to annoy more and force more switches. Giga Drain Put this set in, it's a gimmicky one, but useful in most cases where you want to surprise people. Yey, more people know it now. Also, no fake tears vaporeon? no focus punch dusclops? Okay ;-; And, a small side note, some people might appriciate you explaining the moveset and all. Yeah, most people here understand the role on almost all, if not all of them, but this is a guide, and a bit of description on how it works and idk, your thoughts on it would help starters a lot. Nice job all in all, looks good Edited August 13, 2015 by Spaintakula Link to comment
GBush Posted August 16, 2015 Author Share Posted August 16, 2015 Can somebody update and add espeon etc here Will get right on that. FlareBlitzz 1 Link to comment
Ozzmosis Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 What happened with Pory2?? I cant see anything on the first post Link to comment
GBush Posted November 28, 2015 Author Share Posted November 28, 2015 Updated OU list with BL. Moving back to Guide Tavern. o/ Link to comment
RysPicz Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 Zard needs at least 2 more sets. SunnybeamAbility: BlazeItem: Petaya BerryNature: Timid/ Modest EVs: 252S ATK + 252 SpeedMoveset: Sunny Day Solarbeam Fire Blast Sub/ HP Ice GladiatorAbility: BlazeItem: Sitrus BerryNature: Jolly EVs: 252 ATK + 252 SpeedMoveset: Belly Drum Fire Punch Thunder Punch/ Crunch Earthquake Hariyama also has at least 2 more usable sets: Drum n' break wallsItem: Sitrus BerryNature: JollyIvs and Evs: Max speed, HP enough to get Sitrus' HP boost after Belly Drum. If we're using perfect IVs, then spread 156 atk, 252 speed, 100 def will work.Moveset Belly Drum Earthquake Thunderpunch Return Simple thing. Belly drum, punch a hole in enemy's defensive core, use rest of your sweepers to bring him to his knees. There is also a bulkup set with Careful thick fat set that is capable of working wonders but it's basically the same set as Machamp. About Lino's set with Sub- it doesn't need it. Return is much better on it with it's ability to OHKO weezing and deal actual damage to Skarm/ Forret. One more Lino set: DIS IS GONNA HURTItem: Silk ScarfNature: AdamantIvs and Evs: 252 Attack, enough speed to reach 123 stat, rest into HP to make it dividible by 4(+1). Rest of EVs can be put into def/ sdef. Moveset: Belly Drum Subsitute Extremespeed Flail +6 Silk scarfed Flail has a big chance of OHKOing Skarm and Forret. Only thing you need to look out for is Dusclops so pair it with a pursuit trapper. Would be also cool if we'd add UUs that are viable in OU (Kingler, Lanturn, Scizor, Houndoom) :v) Arimanius 1 Link to comment
KaynineXL Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 (edited) The most standard Chansey set you're gonna get. Support Chansey Ability: Natural Cure (NEVER USE SERENE GRACE)Item: LeftoversNature: BoldIvs and Evs: 252 Hp and 252 DefMoveset: Seismic Toss Toxic/Twave Wish Protect/Aromatherapy Usually you would want Protect over Aroma just because it synergizes so well with Wish. Not only this but Protect is great at locking in CBers so you can switch easier or just scout for Pursuit. Usually Toxic is preferred over Twave just because it helps you stall out opponents which Twave cannot do, that said Twave can be crippling to certain pokes. It pretty much depends on your team, does it already have a lot of toxic spread? Are you worried about your opponent using Cbers? Do you need Aroma? Edited November 28, 2015 by KaynineXL Platoons and Arimanius 2 Link to comment
Vaeldras Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 (edited) Zard needs at least 2 more sets. SunnybeamAbility: BlazeItem: Petaya BerryNature: Timid/ Modest EVs: 252S ATK + 252 SpeedMoveset: Sunny Day Solarbeam Fire Blast Sub/ HP Ice GladiatorAbility: BlazeItem: Sitrus BerryNature: Jolly EVs: 252 ATK + 252 SpeedMoveset: Belly Drum Fire Punch Thunder Punch/ Crunch Earthquake Hariyama also has at least 2 more usable sets: Drum n' break wallsItem: Sitrus BerryNature: JollyIvs and Evs: Max speed, HP enough to get Sitrus' HP boost after Belly Drum. If we're using perfect IVs, then spread 156 atk, 252 speed, 100 def will work.Moveset Belly Drum Earthquake Thunderpunch Return Simple thing. Belly drum, punch a hole in enemy's defensive core, use rest of your sweepers to bring him to his knees. There is also a bulkup set with Careful thick fat set that is capable of working wonders but it's basically the same set as Machamp. About Lino's set with Sub- it doesn't need it. Return is much better on it with it's ability to OHKO weezing and deal actual damage to Skarm/ Forret. One more Lino set: DIS IS GONNA HURTItem: Silk ScarfNature: AdamantIvs and Evs: 252 Attack, enough speed to reach 123 stat, rest into HP to make it dividible by 4(+1). Rest of EVs can be put into def/ sdef. Moveset: Belly Drum Subsitute Extremespeed Flail +6 Silk scarfed Flail has a big chance of OHKOing Skarm and Forret. Only thing you need to look out for is Dusclops so pair it with a pursuit trapper. Would be also cool if we'd add UUs that are viable in OU (Kingler, Lanturn, Scizor, Houndoom) :v) I'd personally drop the silk scarf for a lum berry, gives you plenty more chances of setting up. Edit: Also another really nice zard set. Ability: 420blazeItem: Leftovers/Lum BerryNature: Naughty/LonelyIvs and Evs: 252 att and speedMoveset: Swords Dance Overheat Earthquake Thunderpunch The idea is to setup on things that can't harm it too much, like arcanine, chansey and umbreon (especially arcanine which is very likely to come in to prevent a bdrum/sunny day sweep). Thunderpunch is nice against gyarados, but it won't be too much of use against things such as slowbro at +2/4. Overheat is still better compared to any other ph move, since it 1hkos anything it hits for supereffective damage anyway without the need of any setup whatsoever Edited November 28, 2015 by Vaeldras Link to comment
KaynineXL Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 I'd personally drop the silk scarf for a lum berry, gives you plenty more chances of setting up. Edit: Also another really nice zard set. Ability: 420blazeItem: Leftovers/Lum BerryNature: Naughty/LonelyIvs and Evs: 252 att and speedMoveset: Swords Dance Overheat Earthquake Thunderpunch The idea is to setup on things that can't harm it too much, like arcanine, chansey and umbreon (especially arcanine which is very likely to come in to prevent a bdrum/sunny day sweep). Thunderpunch is nice against gyarados, but it won't be too much of use against things such as slowbro at +2/4. Overheat is still better compared to any other ph move, since it 1hkos anything it hits for supereffective damage anyway without the need of any setup whatsoever You need Silk Scarf to beat Forre/Skarm with flail set iirc. Link to comment
Vaeldras Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 You need Silk Scarf to beat Forre/Skarm with flail set iirc. I don't think it hits hard enough anyway, does about 80% with no silk boost. Lemme run some calcs... +6 252+ Atk Silk Scarf Linoone Flail (200 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Forretress: 171-202 (93.9 - 110.9%) -- 68.8% chance to OHKO And you guys were right, didn't expect it to be that significant. No guaranteed 1hko, but it might be worth a try Link to comment
KaynineXL Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 I don't think it hits hard enough anyway, does about 80% with no silk boost. Lemme run some calcs... +6 252+ Atk Silk Scarf Linoone Flail (200 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Forretress: 171-202 (93.9 - 110.9%) -- 68.8% chance to OHKO And you guys were right, didn't expect it to be that significant. No guaranteed 1hko, but it might be worth a try 68.8% chance to sweep. #Worth Vaeldras 1 Link to comment
RysPicz Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 I'd personally drop the silk scarf for a lum berry, gives you plenty more chances of setting up. Without Silk Scarf you are unable to OHKO either Skarm or Forret. Link to comment
Vaeldras Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 Without Silk Scarf you are unable to OHKO either Skarm or Forret. ye but i'd rather weaken them a bit and then have a safer setup, they usually carry no significant recovery move anyway, although i have to admit a silk scarf would have saved me a few times Link to comment
RysPicz Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 Well aside of sub there is always endure which is always viable on this set and easens the setup to get that 1 hp for Flail :v) Link to comment
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