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Ok so now looking back on this, it seems that you would need to have pokemon with 1x31 along the lines of this:
 
1 select nature,
5 hp
10 atk
10 def
5 sp atk
1 sp def
natured 5x31
 
1 hp
5 atk
10 def
10 sp atk
5 sp def
1 speed
6x31

making the 63 pokemon with 1x31 you had said before, plus the required nature pokemon with 0x31, so 64 pokemon total. also needing 58 braces total costing 870k, before accounting for gender selection.
 
Is this right? I needed a list of what's needed before the steps lol I want to line them all up pretty before even starting :)
I'm sure the specific stats are interchangable, ex 10 sp def 1 atk instead, but for convenience's sake I matched your examples. Hope I followed it correctly tho~


you should need 120 braces, if you are going for a 6x31 natured

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wow ok forgot to double that is the rest right? Now I feel lost again lol >.> 

yeah, other than that, it looks good.

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If anyone does not think that this guide is complete, and something should be added/subtracted/modified, then please speak up now. I'm putting a 48 hour clock on this until I request it's posting onto the Guide Tavern, Thank you!

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This guide is just perfect for a new pokemon player like me... I guess i can breed a 5x31 poke with 5-6 3x31 pokes for comps...

Thanks for the perfect guide!!!

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-.-'

 

why can't they just list it all out neatly in a changelog or something =/

 

 

Species at a 1:7 gender disparity have now been reduced to 21k.

 

The prices in the middle-ground have also been lowered accordingly.

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Species at a 1:7 gender disparity have now been reduced to 21k.

 

The prices in the middle-ground have also been lowered accordingly.

thanks! will update the middle-ground when I have the time.

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Question, about egg moves since the new update (aka Hoenn) how would I do that and still follow your guide ( btw thank you for making it, it makes alot of sense :))

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if you put the egg moves on any of the 1x31's in the first part, then you can pass them down all the way to the final product. Just make sure that none of the others have moves that could potentially kick one of the eggmoves out. If you end up losing an eggmove along the way (i.e. you mess up), then you can just give any of the next 1x31's the egg moves and continue.

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235px-SugimoriEggs.pngThe New Breeding Guide235px-SugimoriEggs.png


 

 

What is the goal of this guide?

 

1. To explain the basics of the new breeding system.
2. To explain how to acheive a perfect 6x31, correct nature pokemon, and how much it will cost (on a monetary level).
3. To also provide a more "economical" approach to the breeding system.

 

 

Disclaimer: This is a TEXT HEAVY, Graphic Minimal guide. If you just want to know the basics of the new breeding, then read the numbered list below. If you want to know how to breed what you want, then delve into the sea of text in any of the following three sections.

 

 

So, here are the most important mechanics in the new breeding system:

 

1. Both parent pokemon are traded away to the daycare couple and will NOT be given back to the player.

 

2. Two parent pokemon will produce ONE egg (no more, no less).

 

3. One can give an everstone to a parent with a desireable nature to have a 100% chance of passing that nature down to the offspring (the everstone WILL be consumed along with the parents).

 

4. Three IVs are passed down directly from the parents to the child. The other three IVs are then calculated by the averages of the parents, which are rounded down (NO -3/+8 business).

 

5. One can use a brace, which can be bought from a NPC who resides in each daycare for 15k each, and these braces can be given to a parent to ensure that a specific IV of your choice is passed down to the child (this DOES count as one of the three directly inherited IVs for the child).

 

6. If a pokemon has two potential abilities, then there is an 80% chance that the mother's ability is passed to the offspring.

 

7. The player is capable of switching a pokemon's ability with a consumable item; thus ability breeding is not a concern at the moment (mechanics for abilities will change in the future as stated here).

 

8. You can choose the gender of the egg for a fee, listed in the spoiler below, which scales with the species' gender ratio (the more unbalanced the ratio, the more expensive).

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75%     =  9,000 - 5,000

50%     =  5,000 - 5,000

25%     = 5,000 - 9,000

12.5%  = 5,000 - 21,000

 

%'s represent chance of being female.

Blue = Cost for Male

Pink = Cost for Female

 

Credit to Munya & DS

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-credit to RacheLucario

 

 

 

This section lists out step by step how to get a perfect 6x31 pokemon with the correct nature. Open the spoiler below

(WARNING: prepare yourself for a wall of text and numbers)


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TOTAL REQUIREMENTS
[spoiler]

  • Money - Open the spoiler below to see how much a 6x31 would cost at a minimum, how much a natured 6x31 would cost at a minimum, how much a 5x31 would cost at a minimum, etc.

(note: the costs will be much more than the minimums due to gender correcting and pokeballs)

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6x31 - 930,000
Natured 6x31 - 1,800,000
5x31 -
Natured 5x31 -
4x31 -
Natured 4x31 -
3x31 -
Natured 3x31 -
2x31 -
Natured 2x31 -
1x31 -
Natured 1x31 -
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  • 1x31 Pokemon - We will be using sixty-three 1x31 pokemon (Open the spoiler below to see the ratios that you need)

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You must catch/obtain the following ratio of 1x31 Pokemon (the order does not matter, but how it is presented will be in alignment with this guide's example):

 

Presented in this format: " HP : ATK : DEF : SPATK : SPDEF : SPD "

 

6 : 15 : 20 : 15 : 6 : 1

 

When I say "order does not matter", I mean that a spread of:

 

1 : 20 : 15 : 15 : 6 : 6

 

would also work.

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  • Natured Pokemon - We will only need one correct nature pokemon and you don't need to worry about its IVs.

 

  • Everstones - We will need 6-7 everstones (depends on gender correcting)

 

  • Braces - We will need a minumum of 120 braces (depends on gender correcting)

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Now, let's get to it. (Note: we are starting from complete scratch, and in most cases it would be better to trade for a necessary pokemon rather than catch and breed yourself, as genders can really mess things up, which makes the process much longer and much more expensive than originally planned)
 

PART 1 - Perfectionists


Requirements:
[spoiler]

  • Money - AT LEAST 936,400 (930,000 for braces and 6,400+ for pokeballs) [spoiler]This is the absolute minimum, and is nearly statistically impossible. You will likely be spending around 1,650,000 for this part, though this is a complete guess at this poiint in time.[/spoiler]

 

  • 1x31 Pokemon - you will need thirty-two 1x31 pokemon, some specific ones will be needed more than others, however I highly suggest keeping any and all 1x31 pokemon you catch.

[Spoiler]

You will need a spread that looks like, but not necessarily in the same order, as:

 

1 : 5 : 10 : 10 : 5 : 1

 

Note that the example given in this section will be using the ratio given above. If you use a different ordered ratio, then make adjustments accordingly

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  • Everstones - None. Part one is constructed so that if you get lucky (a 1/16 chance) you won't have to do part 2.

 

  • Braces - 62 braces are needed for Part 1.

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Step 1:
(You will need AT LEAST 2 pokeballs, almost certainly more, and 30k pokeyen to buy the two braces)

You need to go out to the wild and start catching a pokemon that you would like to breed. Keep catching this pokemon until you have caught two with at least one 31 in differing stats. In this example, my first pokemon look like this:

31/0/0/0/0/0
0/31/0/0/0/0

Now take them to the daycare, put a brace on each of them and then get the egg and it should turn out to look like:

31/31/0/0/0/0

Step 2:
(You will need AT LEAST 2 pokeballs, and 30k for the braces)

Repeat step 1, but this time you need to catch a pokemon with a 31 IV in one of the stats that you got in step one, and a pokemon that has a 31 IV in a stat that you have yet to get. So for this example it would look like:

0/31/0/0/0/0
0/0/31/0/0/0

Do the same thing you did in Step 1, an the child should come out looking like this:

0/31/31/0/0/0

Step 3:
(You need 30k for the braces in this step)

Now we have two 2x31 pokemon. Let's breed them together to make a 3x31 pokemon. For this example we have:

31/31/0/0/0/0
0/31/31/0/0/0

Put the braces on the two IVs that do NOT overlap for the two parents, and then breed the two together. In this example the child turns out looking like:

31/31/31/0/0/0

Step 4:
(You will need 4+ pokeballs and 90k for the 6 braces)

Repeat steps 1-3, except make sure that your new 3x31 will have exactly two 31's that overlap with the 3x31 pokemon we made in Step 3. So for this example:

The pokemon we would catch would look like:

0/31/0/0/0/0
0/0/31/0/0/0
0/0/31/0/0/0
0/0/0/31/0/0

After breeding our caught pokemon, we would have:

0/31/31/0/0/0
0/0/31/31/0/0

After breeding our two 2x31's, we would end up with this 3x31:

0/31/31/31/0/0

Step 5:
(You will need 30k for the braces again)

We are now going to breed the two 3x31 pokemon. Once again, put the braces on the two stats that do not overlap. For this example we have:

31/31/31/0/0/0
0/31/31/31/0/0

Once we put the braces on the two and breed them together, the baby will look like:

31/31/31/31/0/0 (a 4x31 pokemon)

Step 6:
(You will need 8+ pokeballs and 210k for the 14 braces)

Repeat steps 1-5, except make sure that your resulting 4x31 pokemon will have precisely three 31 IVs that overlap with the 4x31 pokemon we made in Step 5. For this example it will look like:

The pokemon we catch will look like this:
0/31/0/0/0/0
0/0/31/0/0/0
0/0/31/0/0/0
0/0/0/31/0/0
0/0/31/0/0/0
0/0/0/31/0/0
0/0/0/31/0/0
0/0/0/0/31/0

Once we breed our caught pokemon, they will turn out like this:

0/31/31/0/0/0
0/0/31/31/0/0
0/0/31/31/0/0
0/0/0/31/31/0

Now we breed the 2x31's together to get the 3x31's:

0/31/31/31/0/0
0/0/31/31/31/0

Now we breed the two 3x31's together to get the 4x31:

0/31/31/31/31/0

Step 7:
(30k for the braces)

Breed the two 4x31's together and make sure you put the braces on the non-overlapping IVs (like I need to tell you at this point anyways). For this example our two 4x31's look like this:

31/31/31/31/0/0
0/31/31/31/31/0

When we breed them together with the braces we get:

31/31/31/31/31/0 (a 5x31)

Note: many breeders will be able to stop here as most pokemon only need to be a 5x31 and have no need for that sixth stat. These people may skip to step 10. But if you are a perfectionist, continue to the next step.

Step 8:
(16+ pokeballs and 450k for the 30 braces)

Repeat steps 1-7 and ensure that the resulting 5x31 has precisely four 31's that overlap with the 5x31 pokemon we produced in Step 7. For this example it's going to look like this:

The pokemon we need to catch:

0/31/0/0/0/0
0/0/31/0/0/0
0/0/31/0/0/0
0/0/0/31/0/0

0/0/31/0/0/0
0/0/0/31/0/0
0/0/0/31/0/0
0/0/0/0/31/0

0/0/31/0/0/0
0/0/0/31/0/0
0/0/0/31/0/0
0/0/0/0/31/0

0/0/0/31/0/0
0/0/0/0/31/0
0/0/0/0/31/0
0/0/0/0/0/31

Now let's breed all of these together:

0/31/31/0/0/0
0/0/31/31/0/0

0/0/31/31/0/0
0/0/0/31/31/0

0/0/31/31/0/0
0/0/0/31/31/0

0/0/0/31/31/0
0/0/0/0/31/31

Now let's breed these 2x31's together to make some 3x31's:

0/31/31/31/0/0
0/0/31/31/31/0

0/0/31/31/31/0
0/0/0/31/31/31

Let's convert these 3x31's into 4x31's:

0/31/31/31/31/0
0/0/31/31/31/31

Now let's make the 5x31:

0/31/31/31/31/31

Step 9:
(30k for the 2 braces)

We can finally make the 6x31 from our two 5x31's. Make sure you do NOT forget the braces!!!
In this example our two 5x31's look like:

31/31/31/31/31/0
0/31/31/31/31/31

When we breed them together with the braces we get:

31/31/31/31/31/31 (our 6x31 pokemon!)

Note: this may or may not have the right nature, that is why we make this guy first. If you got lucky, then you are done! If it does not have the right nature, continue on.



PART 2 - Getting Hardy


Requirements:
[spoiler]

  • Money - AT LEAST 876,400 (870,000 from braces and 6,400+ from pokeballs) [spoiler]Again, this will cost you much more, unless you are the luckiest thing in the universe[/spoiler]

 

  • 1x31 Pokemon - You will need to catch a total of thirty-one 1x31 pokemon. You will need some specific 1x31's more than others, so I suggest you catch these as you go. I will suggest again, that you should keep any and all 1x31 pokemon that you catch.

[Spoiler]

You should have a ratio similar to, but not necessarily in the same order, as:

 

5 : 10 : 10 : 5 : 1 : 0

 

Note that the following example uses the ratio given above. If you use a differently ordered ratio, then make changes accordingly

[/spoiler]

 

 

 

 

  • Natured Pokemon - You need only catch ONE correctly natured pokemon, and you do not need to care about its IVs.

 

  • Everstones - You will need 6 of these stones, and their monetary cost is negligible as you should get them from wild geodudes and gravelers.

 

  • Braces - You will need 58 braces for this part.

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Step 10:
(2+ pokeballs, 1 everstone, 1 brace)

Now our goal is to get the right nature. So we need to catch a pokemon with the right nature (Hardy for this guide) and a 1x31 pokemon. In this example we get:

Hardy - 0/0/0/0/0/0
31/0/0/0/0/0

When you go to trade these two pokemon to the old couple you will need to give an everstone to the natured pokemon and a brace to the 1x31 pokemon. In this example we put the everstone on the Hardy pokemon and the brace on the 1x31 pokemon, an this will give us:

Hardy - 31/0/0/0/0/0

Step 11 (repeat of Step 1):
(2+ pokeballs, 2 braces)

We now need to make a 2x31 pokemon (don't worry about the nature of this one). This 2x31 pokemon needs to have precisely one IV that overlaps with our natured 1x31 pokemon. So in this example we catch two pokemon that look like:

31/0/0/0/0/0
0/31/0/0/0/0

and when we breed them together (using braces) we get:

31/31/0/0/0/0

(Sounding repetitive yet?)

Step 12:
(1 everstone, 1 brace)

Now we are going to breed the natured 1x31 together with the 2x31 pokemon. You will need to give the natured 1x31 pokemon an everstone, and you will need to give the 2x31 pokemon a brace on the IV that does NOT overlap. So in this example we have:

Hardy - 31/0/0/0/0/0
31/31/0/0/0/0

When we breed the two together, we get:

Hardy - 31/31/0/0/0/0

Step 13:
(4+ pokeballs, 6 braces)

Time to make a 3x31 pokemon... again. Take a look back at step 11. We are going to do this step twice. The first time you repeat this step you will be making the exact same 2x31 that you use in step 12. The second time you repeat step 11 you will want to make a 2x31 that has precisely one overlapping IV with the other 2x31. So in this example it looks like this:

We catch:

31/0/0/0/0/0
0/31/0/0/0/0
0/31/0/0/0/0
0/0/31/0/0/0

We then breed them to make a pair of 2x31's:

31/31/0/0/0/0
0/31/31/0/0/0

We then breed these two together to make the 3x31:

31/31/31/0/0/0

Step 14:
(1 everstone, 1 brace)

Now you want to breed the natured 2x31 and the 3x31 together. Make sure to put the everstone on the natured 2x31 and a brace for the non-overlapping IV for the 3x31 pokemon. In this example we have:

Hardy - 31/31/0/0/0/0
31/31/31/0/0/0

When we breed these two together with the correct items, we get:

Hardy - 31/31/31/0/0/0

Step 15:
(8+ pokeballs, 14 braces)

This is going to be a double repeat of Step 13. You want to make the exact same 3x31 as you used in step 14, and then you will make a 3x31 that has precisely two IVs that overlap with the other 3x31. Make sure to use braces when appropriate! So in this example it looks like this:

We catch these pokemon:

31/0/0/0/0/0
0/31/0/0/0/0
0/31/0/0/0/0
0/0/31/0/0/0

0/31/0/0/0/0
0/0/31/0/0/0
0/0/31/0/0/0
0/0/0/31/0/0

We breed these pokemon together to make our batch of 2x31's:

31/31/0/0/0/0
0/31/31/0/0/0

0/31/31/0/0/0
0/0/31/31/0/0

We then breed these to make a pair of 3x31's:

31/31/31/0/0/0

0/31/31/31/0/0

We now breed these two to make our 4x31:

31/31/31/31/0/0

Step 16:
(1 everstone, 1 brace)

Time to make our natured 4x31 pokemon. Remember to give your natured 3x31 an everstone and to give your 4x31 a brace for that non-overlapping IV. In this example we have:

Hardy - 31/31/31/0/0/0
31/31/31/31/0/0

When we breed these two together, we get:

Hardy - 31/31/31/31/0/0

You are almost there! Just one long step to go!

Step 17:
(16+ pokeballs, 30 braces)

This step is going to be a double repeat of Step 15. You will make the exact same 4x31 that you used in Step 16, and you will make a 4x31 that has precisely three 31 IV's that overlap. So for this example it's going to look like this:

The pokemon that we catch:

31/0/0/0/0/0
0/31/0/0/0/0
0/31/0/0/0/0
0/0/31/0/0/0

0/31/0/0/0/0
0/0/31/0/0/0
0/0/31/0/0/0
0/0/0/31/0/0

0/31/0/0/0/0
0/0/31/0/0/0
0/0/31/0/0/0
0/0/0/31/0/0

0/0/31/0/0/0
0/0/0/31/0/0
0/0/0/31/0/0
0/0/0/0/31/0

We breed all of these together (Don't forget about the braces!) to get these:

31/31/0/0/0/0
0/31/31/0/0/0

0/31/31/0/0/0
0/0/31/31/0/0

0/31/31/0/0/0
0/0/31/31/0/0

0/0/31/31/0/0
0/0/0/31/31/0

We then breed these 2x31's together to get some 3x31's:

31/31/31/0/0/0
0/31/31/31/0/0

0/31/31/31/0/0
0/0/31/31/31/0

We then breed these together to get some 4x31's:

31/31/31/31/0/0
0/31/31/31/31/0

We can now breed these together to make the 5x31 (You really don't want to forget about the braces here):

31/31/31/31/31/0

Woohoo! You are done with the hard stuff! The rest is easy, just make sure you don't mess up with everstones and braces!

Step 18:
(1 everstone, 1 brace)

We can now tackle the final few tasks necessary to make our natured 6x31 pokemon. Grab your natured 4x31 pokemon and give it an everstone. Then get your 5x31 pokemon and put a brace on it so that it covers the non-overlapping 31 IV. Then brees them together! In this example we have:

Hardy - 31/31/31/31/0/0
31/31/31/31/31/0

When we breed these two togeter with the right items we get:

Hardy - 31/31/31/31/31/0

You now have your natured 5x31 pokemon (which many will be content with, but for those perfectionists, continue on)

Step 19:
(1 everstone, 1 brace)

We can finally make the natured 6x31 pokemon that you always dreamed of! First and foremost, DO NOT FORGET ABOUT ITEMS OR YOU WILL BECOME VERY SAD! Grab your natured 5x31 pokemon and put an everstone on it. Then go get that 6x31 pokemon that we made earlier, put a brace on it to ensure that the non-overlapping IV gets passed on to our final product. In this example we have:

Hardy - 31/31/31/31/31/0
31/31/31/31/31/31

When we breed these two together with the correct items, we get:

Hardy - 31/31/31/31/31/31

WOOHOO!!! You did it! You made a perfect IV and nature pokemon!

 

 

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This section is to give an example to a budget breeder's guide to breeding for a competitive pokemon. The goal is to get as close to a 31 speed and 5x25+ pokemon as possible with the least amount of money. This will use a lot less braces than the 6x31 section.

 

[spoiler]

You will not be getting the best-of-the-best Competitive Pokemon from this guide, and it is also not a very fast process. Budget breeding requires patience and realism. You need to be able and willing to hunt for hours for good catchmmo pokemon, and to be willing to settle for a Pokemon that just meets your needs (not something that goes above and beyond).

 

Since we assume that we are working with a finite amount of Pokeyen in this section, the first and most important concept to understand is cost per IV point. What exactly do I mean by this? Well, generally when breeding to achieve a higher stat pokemon in this new refinement system, you want to look at the IV spread pokemon as a whole. To do this, we are going to simply add all the IVs of each Pokemon individually together to get an IV Sum. If you've taken any amount of statistics, or higher level mathematics, then you would likely know that when you look at all the possible IV Sums in the game of Pokemon, you would be looking at a nice Bell Curve that has finite endings. For those of you who don't have a clue what I'm talking about, here's a picture to help you understand, but instead of Rainfall think about Pokemon (keep reading, it will make more sense along the way):

jrzlvc.png

credit to patiohomedecor.tk

 

What this represents is the probability of getting a certain IV Sum. The higher the point, the more likely you are to receive that IV Sum for a given Pokemon. Can you guess what the highest point on that Bell Curve is (i.e. which IV Sum value is the most likely to be found)? Well that would simply be (6x31)/2, or 93. This means that when you catch a random wild Pokemon, it will most likely have an IV spread that sums up to 93. The best IV Sum in the game is 6x31 = 186 , and the worst IV Sum is 6x0 = 0 (both have the exact same, super low chance of appearing in the wild).

 

OK, OK, Gilan we get it. You're good at math, no need to brag. Just hurry up and tell me how to breed efficiently already! - That's what you're probably thinking right now (or you want to hurt me for throwing math at your face). Don't worry. Let's get to it.

 

The first step to efficient breeding is to catch a good base pokemon. This pokemon should have the nature that you want and should be better/close-to-average. Now, for some pokemon you won't care about a specific stat (i.e. special attack for a Zangoose), so we are going to have to take this into account. To figure out if your caught pokemon is better-than-average, then add all of the relevant IVs together. So for a Zangoose, we would add HP, ATTK, DEF, SP. DEF, and SPEED together. Then compare that to X*31/2 (round up), where "X" is the number of relevant IVs that you care about (so in Zangoose's case, X=5). If your caught pokemon is better than the average and it has the nature you want and 31 speed, then you should use it as the baseline for your breed. If you are having trouble getting 31 speed and your nature together, then breed a natured pokemon with a pokemon with 31 speed while using an everstone and a speed brace to create your base pokemon (this will likely be below, average, but at least you can work with it). The odds of getting a 31 speed pokemon with the nature you want is 1/512 , so if you don't feel like spending the time to look for that, then definitely do the short easy route and settle for the below-average base (you will just need to catch more better pokemon later on).

 

The next step is to determine what you want your final Pokemon to look like. This is very important, as you will need to lay out specifics, otherwise you might end up blowing your budget, which is not good. So, for example, I would want my Zangoose to have as close to 25/25/25/x/25/31 as possible, and 31 speed is a non-negotiable condition. This is an IV Sum of 131.

 

Let's say I go on a Zangoose hunting spree, and I catch an Adamant Male Zangoose with 12/9/14/x/12/31 (which is an average IV Sum pokemon of 78).

 

Wait, Gilan, isn't this a budget breeding guide? Aren't we suppose to talk about money? Yes, yes we are.

 

Let's also say that Gilan is poor after buying some aesthetically pleasing Shinies, and all the money he has left is what he won from being a boss at Zehkar's Hide n' Seek events. This totals to 150k. Assuming that Gilan will farm his own everstones and he already has a lot of pokeballs, and he wants to use a brace for each breed, then he will only be able to afford 6 breeds. as 150k/24k = 6.25. (factors in gender selection).

This means that in order to get as close as possible to an IV Sum of 131, he will need to increase the IV Sum of his original Zangoose by at least 9 each breed.

 

The next step is to go out and catch a Zangoose with an Average IV Sum greater than 96, and a Ditto with around the same IV Sum or greater, and with 31 speed (the 31 speed could be on the Zangoose as well).

 

So in my example, I go out and catch a Male Zangoose with an IV spread of 23/12/16/x/27/31 (an IV Sum of 109), and a ditto with an IV spread of 24/31/20/x/23/4 (an IV Sum of 102). When we breed these two together with two braces, since that 31 Attack is really tempting, the offspring pops out to look something like: 23/31/16/x/25/31 (an IV Sum of 126), please note that the defense is 16 instead of 18 because the 3rd directly inherited IV was chosen from the Defense IV of the Zangoose parent. We also chose to make this Zangoose Female.

 

So we now breed this Zangoose with the Base Zangoose, where we put an everstone on the Base and an Attack brace on the New (since speed will average to 31 anyways) and we choose it's gender to be female, so that we can get easier-to-catch field egg group breeders next time. Our new Base Zangoose will look something like: Female Adamant 17/31/15/x/18/31 (an IV Sum of 112. So we increased the IV Sum by 24!).

 

We now have 87k left, but we already have a pretty nice Zangoose, and we are more than half way to an IV Sum of 131.

 

Gilan will continue this process until he runs out of funds or he gets a Zangoose that he is satisfied with. It will also now be easier, as he can catch rattatas or other easy-to-find / easy-to-catch field egg group breeders to use.

 

This is how I generally go about budget breeding. You simply just need to know how much money you have, and the minimum for what will work for you, and then you can plan steps to reach that goal without breaking your budget. This isn't a very complex concept (I mean, seriously, it's basically just like "go out and catch a good pokemon, then go and catch even better pokemon to breed with it"), but it is important nonetheless.

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Some Hidden Power Breeding Tips:

 

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If you are breeding for a specific Hidden Power, then you have two options available to you. You can either follow the 6x31 section, while substituting 30's where necessary, which will give you your desired HP 100% of the time but is costly, or you can do the following:

 

The idea here is to minimize the risk of not getting your desired HP as much as possible. Let's consider the example of HP Flying in the form of even/even/even/even/even/odd (abbreviated e/e/e/e/e/o for the purpose of this guide). Let's say our base breeder for this is: 12/28/23/22/7/31 ( e/e/o/e/o/o )

 

In order to get HP flying ensured on the Next pokemon we need to catch something nice. The IVs of the pokemon we need must have any of the following IV values:

 

HP: 0 , 1 , 4 , 5 , 8 , 9 , 16 , 17 , 20 , 21 , 24 , 25 , 28 , or 29

ATTK: 0 , 1 , 4 , 5 , 8 , 9 , 16 , 17 , 20 , 21 , 24 , 25 , 28 , or 29

DEF: 1 , 2 , 5 , 6 , 9 , 10 , 13 , 14 , 17 , 18 , 21 , 22 , 25 , 26 , 29 , or 30

SP. ATK: 2 , 3 , 6 , 7 , 10 , 11 , 14 , 15 , 18 , 19 , 22 , 23 , 26 , 27 , 30 , or 31

SP. DEF: 1 , 2 , 5 , 6 , 9 , 10 , 13 , 14 , 17 , 18 , 21 , 22 , 25 , 26 , 29 , or 30

SPEED: 0 , 3 , 4 , 7 , 8 , 11 , 12 , 15 , 16 , 19 , 20 , 23 , 24 , 27 , 28 , or 31

 

All of these values will average with the original for the values we need. The green values indicate values that would work best for giving HP flying. Since you will likely be using an everstone, we are going to consider the use of only 1 brace. Because of this, 2 IVs will still be randomly chosen to Pass to the offspring (this is why the green values would be ideal). Try to get a good natured pokemon with these values, as many green as you can. You really only want to have one bad IV on the pokemon you will be using, and it would be best if it were in the same stats that your base pokemon is already OK in. So in my HP flying example, the stats that it would be OK that I don't have one of the IVs highlighted in Green above would be: HP , ATTK , SP. ATK , and SPEED (we would definitely be ok with speed being bad, because we will be bracing the base pokemon anyway).

 

If the pokemon we want to use to breed with the base has an IV value in DEF and/or SP. DEF that is not listed above and is odd, then the offspring will have Zero chance of having HP Flying.

 

Please note that you will need to make your own chart of acceptable IVs for each individual case, as the table above is not usable by every single pokemon and hidden power. It is solely unique to the HP Flying Spread that I stated earlier (e/e/e/e/e/o) and the IV spread of the base pokemon.

 

Long story short, make a table that lists out all of the acceptable values to get the HP you want. Then catch pokemon until you get one that alligns as close as possible to what you want. This way, you minimize the risk of not getting the desired Hidden Power.

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Man, i dont wanna say this... but...
THAT'S NOT GONNA WORK!!!
Cause even if you've got 2 x 6x31 and do that only 3 IV go to the new egg... so if you're the luckiest son of a bitch in the world you'll get at least a 4x31 + the nature you wanted...
IF YOU'RE GOD FATHER MAYBE A 6x31+ nature.... but that's not probably..

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Man, i dont wanna say this... but...
THAT'S NOT GONNA WORK!!!
Cause even if you've got 2 x 6x31 and do that only 3 IV go to the new egg... so if you're the luckiest son of a uguu in the world you'll get at least a 4x31 + the nature you wanted...
IF YOU'RE GOD FATHER MAYBE A 6x31+ nature.... but that's not probably..

I think you misunderstand. I suggest you read the "Mechanics of the Breeding System" numbered list.

 

4. Three IVs are passed down directly from the parents to the child. The other three IVs are then calculated by the averages of the parents, which are rounded down (NO -3/+8 business).

 

so, two 6x31's will always produce a 6x31.

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Warning to breeders, you cannot select gender with Illumise/Volbeat


is it the same with nidorans?

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First of all, congratulations for this guide, I think it's very complete and useful for a "newbie in breeding" as I am.

 

I have always been more like the 'Example Understanding' kind of person, so if you could just answer my doubt, I think I'll get all clear:

 

I have this mareep 17/5/30/29/5/31, I don't care about the attack (5) and I'm fine with the HP(17), but I would like a 25+ Sp.Def. 

 

If I use a brace on the Speed for the next breeding (so 31 is garanteed), do I have to get a 17+/X/30/29/25+/X  Ditto (for example) where X are the values I don't care (as I don't need attack and Speed will be transfered from the Mareep)? Obviously putting a Sp.Def Brace on the Ditto too.

 

Thanks

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First of all, congratulations for this guide, I think it's very complete and useful for a "newbie in breeding" as I am.

 

I have always been more like the 'Example Understanding' kind of person, so if you could just answer my doubt, I think I'll get all clear:

 

I have this mareep 17/5/30/29/5/31, I don't care about the attack (5) and I'm fine with the HP(17), but I would like a 25+ Sp.Def. 

 

If I use a brace on the Speed for the next breeding (so 31 is garanteed), do I have to get a 17+/X/30/29/25+/X  Ditto (for example) where X are the values I don't care (as I don't need attack and Speed will be transfered from the Mareep)? Obviously putting a Sp.Def Brace on the Ditto too.

 

Thanks

You don't really need 30 defense and 29 sp atk on the ditto, unless you want to keep the exact same ivs, but yes you would want to brace speed on mareep+brace sp def on ditto to get a mareep that is something like 17+/30/29/25+/31. That being said, if you brace 2 ivs in a breed, you won't be able to get the right nature since no everstone will be used.

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Ok. I have two Azumarill.  Male Adamant is 31/21-25/13-17/12-16/18-23/31.  While the female is 0-4/31/14-18/14-17/10-13/9-17.  I will have male hold everstone because i need adamant nature, while bracing the female with attack.  I know 3 IV's are passed directly to the child from the parents so the braced attack automatically is one of 3.  Does the 2 highest IV's get inherited or is all that at random.  

 

Because I will have to breed a 3x31 with the 2x31 male to get a comp azu.

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Ok. I have two Azumarill. Male Adamant is 31/21-25/13-17/12-16/18-23/31. While the female is 0-4/31/14-18/14-17/10-13/9-17. I will have male hold everstone because i need adamant nature, while bracing the female with attack. I know 3 IV's are passed directly to the child from the parents so the braced attack automatically is one of 3. Does the 2 highest IV's get inherited or is all that at random.

Because I will have to breed a 3x31 with the 2x31 male to get a comp azu.


it's all random. There is a chance that it could get the 31 HP, but it could just as likely directly inherit the 0-4 hp. Same with speed.

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it's all random. There is a chance that it could get the 31 HP, but it could just as likely directly inherit the 0-4 hp. Same with speed.

Okie.  I'll just do some side stepping with the other stock i have in the PC then. Thank ya much!

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Uhh, just bred two Bagons (female 31/x/x/x/x/x with HP Brace and male x/x/x/31/x/x with SpA Brace), surprisingly resulting in 10-31/x/x/20-31/x/x PKMN.
I'm 99% sure the Braces were gave to the right PKMN (I checked it many times before giving them to the breeder).
Still, I've been kinda sleepy and, maybe, this made room for any mistake.

Do you guys have an idea of what might have happened? Awesome guide, btw. Best of luck for you all.

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Uhh, just bred two Bagons (female 31/x/x/x/x/x with HP Brace and male x/x/x/31/x/x with SpA Brace), surprisingly resulting in 10-31/x/x/20-31/x/x PKMN.
I'm 99% sure the Braces were gave to the right PKMN (I checked it many times before giving them to the breeder).
Still, I've been kinda sleepy and, maybe, this made room for any mistake.

Do you guys have an idea of what might have happened? Awesome guide, btw. Best of luck for you all.

Well, there doesn't appear to be an issue. When a pokemon shows a range of possible IVs such as the 20-31 it means that the IV could be any of 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, or 31. The ranges will narrow upon leveling the pokemon up. However, since you know the parents had those exact 31 IVs, and you braced them, you don't need to worry about narrowing the ranges, because they are 100% sure to be 31 (unless of course you miscalculated while breeding).

 

in otherwords, just level the baby up and you will find that the HP and sp. atk are both 31.

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Well, there doesn't appear to be an issue. When a pokemon shows a range of possible IVs such as the 20-31 it means that the IV could be any of 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, or 31. The ranges will narrow upon leveling the pokemon up. However, since you know the parents had those exact 31 IVs, and you braced them, you don't need to worry about narrowing the ranges, because they are 100% sure to be 31 (unless of course you miscalculated while breeding).

 

in otherwords, just level the baby up and you will find that the HP and sp. atk are both 31.

Oh, wow! (I'm really a newbie when it comes to breeding, even though I have played countless hours of GBA/DS PKMN games).
Thank you very much :)

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