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Rework Amnesia Brace

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On 12/23/2018 at 11:11 AM, Bestfriends said:

Good morning fellow citizens, I hope you all are doing well. Making the Amnesia Brace tradable sounds like a good idea. As a person who use to have an EV Training service in 2014, I can vouch for the authenticity of this idea. Back then, I use to be one of the few owners of an Amnesia Brace and the demand was high, so I had to charge 200k per pokemon I trained. If this item was able to be traded around, then my service would cost a lot less.

 

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Please do not ask me to EV Train your pokemon. My schedule is quite tight due to my Mayoral duties. I want to close out 2018 on a strong note and hope to tackle 2019 with the same amount of determination and willpower. Stay tuned for more detail on this development.

 

2019 is your year @Bestfriends make it count bro!

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Could we please have some more discussion on this, particularly from the devs, I don't see why this has not been implemented yet

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Why hasn't this been done yet? Its been 5 years since this was posted and its a good idea. I'm suffering so much having a amnesia brace that I can't trade. Especially as an AFK'er. 

I have no use for the item and can't do anything to get rid of it without losing money. Bamboozled! 

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Posted (edited)

Paywalls make me feel some type of way.
I would indeed benefit from more than one Amnesia Brace.

 

Edited by d3rpk1ck

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Definitely should be tradeable in order to make ev training less of a chore for those people who want to train LCs or NFEs and who also cannot spend money in RP. I genuinely don't get why this isn't a thing already.

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i bought the amnesia brace years ago only to confirm ivs and havnt touched it since the release of emerald. this would make a great use for an out of date item, i dont see any downsides.

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It appears to me that, such a small adjustment will benefit many players. I never thought of buying an amnesia brace using rp, but maybe ill consider it for ingame currency.  

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As someone who bought the amnesia brace when it was actually useful, who now has no use for it... I agree

Its a waste of 1,000 RP now that I would like to see used

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So when we introduced the item we realized an extremely obvious issue, the item is a niche use utility item. Meaning you only need it for very short periods of time. A single tradable amnesia brace would be bought from the GTL for $X, used for a short while and then instantly relisted for $X. (Or just shared with a large team/friend group)

 

This means nobody ever really needs to pay (Either ingame or RP) for the item.

 

The two ideas to make this item viable were either tradelocking it or making it consumable. For better or worse, we chose the former.

 

Even if we rework the item into a consumable, the preexisting versions will not be changed. Users bought an infinite usage item with a trade restrictions, we're not taking that away from people who like this. Nor would we give a free new item for users who already got usage out of their old versions.

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39 minutes ago, Desu said:

So when we introduced the item we realized an extremely obvious issue, the item is a niche use utility item. Meaning you only need it for very short periods of time. A single tradable amnesia brace would be bought from the GTL for $X, used for a short while and then instantly relisted for $X. (Or just shared with a large team/friend group)

 

This means nobody ever really needs to pay (Either ingame or RP) for the item.

 

The two ideas to make this item viable were either tradelocking it or making it consumable. For better or worse, we chose the former.

 

Even if we rework the item into a consumable, the preexisting versions will not be changed. Users bought an infinite usage item with a trade restrictions, we're not taking that away from people who like this. Nor would we give a free new item for users who already got usage out of their old versions.

But can't you say the same about certain items like ocarinas for example? I do understand it is less niche, but I mean, EV selling services probably would profit a lot if they could straight buy one from the market, so I do see a possibility for a non stall market on them, just like for every other RP item.

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On 5/3/2019 at 7:01 AM, Desu said:

So when we introduced the item we realized an extremely obvious issue, the item is a niche use utility item. Meaning you only need it for very short periods of time. A single tradable amnesia brace would be bought from the GTL for $X, used for a short while and then instantly relisted for $X. (Or just shared with a large team/friend group)

When this item was introduced GTL did not even exist, even pokeyen wasn't tradeable. So I doubt the it being bought from GTL for $X and being relisted was an issue.

And even though it is a niche use utility item, really doubt someone would buy a 10$ item and trade it off after use. Cause by that logic, same should happen with lucky eggs, exp share, vanity items not being worn by the user, etc... But still, few cases aside, most people tend to retain what they have for future use. And Amnesia Brace is one of those items, which would always be in use, especially these days with LC existing and many people not willing to evolve / level some pokemon.

 

On 5/3/2019 at 7:01 AM, Desu said:

This means nobody ever really needs to pay (Either ingame or RP) for the item.

Somebody needs to pay for it to be gotten off the shop in the first place though. And like I said before, this is not a single use item, so really doubt people would be trading it off instantly after use, and would be retained like ocarinas, vanity, etc.

 

On 5/3/2019 at 7:01 AM, Desu said:

The two ideas to make this item viable were either tradelocking it or making it consumable. For better or worse, we chose the former.

Doubt anyone would have paid $10 for a consumable item even back then, & especially right now, where using it to train a pokemon drives you near insane.

I personally own RP items (vanity mostly) worth 1000s of $, yet never spent any irl money simply cause I do not have access to online banking. And I know many more people who face the same issue. Had to wait years to win RP through PVE events to finally buy an Amnesia Brace. Due to you guys not making it tradeable, you are missing out on a whole market of people who want to own it and would gladly pay someone to buy it for them, but can't.

 

On 5/3/2019 at 7:01 AM, Desu said:

Even if we rework the item into a consumable, the preexisting versions will not be changed. Users bought an infinite usage item with a trade restrictions, we're not taking that away from people who like this. Nor would we give a free new item for users who already got usage out of their old versions.

Not changing the preexisting versions is fine and understandable.

 

Let us talk about the present and future though.

You did not address one of the main issue, making it transfer EVs like an Exp Share.

 

Because when this item was introduced, hordes did not even exist, so it made sense back then using it to train 1 poke at a time, cause pokemon holding it would do a single encounter and could probably kill it. LC did not exist either, and only Gen 1 was there, with hardly any cases where you needed to prevent a pokemon from evolving. The only time it was needed was to prevent something from going beyond level 50.

 

Making it transfer EVs like an Exp. Share would only increase the sales for you guys too, cause of the following reasons:

  • Most people would own more than one Amnesia Brace, and for professional EV trainers and LC players, etc... Probably own atleast 5 of them. 
  • Due to level cap existing, even non LC players / non EV trainers would buy it, to prepare their pokemon for a region they are yet to try out.
  • LC aside, for UU or NU at times, pokemon have to be trained while preventing evolution, so another good reason for players to buy it, etc.

 

The way amnesia brace requires the pokemon to be in battle for it to gain EVs, it is way too time consuming.. More than time consuming, it is just straight up irritating, since the horde killer will have to take 5 hits from the horde pokemon every time it is switched out. And in most cases where more than one pokemon have to be trained in similar way, it just makes one not use Amnesia Brace at all and just go with 5 Exp Shares instead, to lower Exp gain, since training using Amnesia Brace is cancer. But even then there is a risk of pokemon evolving or leveling up beyond the desired level. And while Amnesia Brace is there to solve this issue, it is not used simply because one cannot buy it and also cause using it is the worst grinding experience game to offer. And for a $10 RP item, which is supposed to help a player, RIP.

 

tl;dr, rework it, make it tradeable and transfer EVs like Exp. Share... And you'll see for yourself that its sales are increasing, generating more income for you guys and making life of poketrainers better all across the game.

Edited by Akshit

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Posted (edited)

love this idea, bring it to us :P

 

Would love to be able to make a team for LC who is fully ev trained whitout going through a cancerous grind to make a team for LC at lvl 5

Edited by Elmico

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On 5/4/2019 at 2:37 AM, Akshit said:

tl;dr, rework it, make it [...] transfer EVs like Exp. Share...

yes

 

you dont really have to read the whole thread

just this

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Now that RP Vouchers are a thing, Amnesia Brace can be obtained by non donators as well.

But there is still a need for it to transfer EVs like Exp. Share. (Or maybe add a new item which does that making Amnesia Brace obsolete).

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