ShinyChansey Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 Introduction: Hello to the PokeMMO community! With the last update, flat battles were introduced to PokeMMO via Tournament Mode. This feature is great, but it introduces a problem to our beloved Masters tournaments, OU 50s Singles & Doubles. We would like a bit of your input before making any major decisions on the formatting. Our goal is to keep the tournament as close to the meta the invites were won in as possible. The Problem: With the introduction of flat battles, players have felt free to level their level 50 competitive Pokemon, and in turn leaving them to be unavailable for Normal Mode in the tournaments. With this in mind, we believe a change is needed. We have come up with a few ideas and would like your input on them! Possible Solutions: Option A Details Tournament Mode Tournaments. Tyranitar & Dragonite are banned. Pros Keeps the tournaments similar to the old OU 50s meta. Cons Players who have grown close to Tyranitar & Dragonite may not use them. Option B Details Tournament Mode Tournaments. Tyranitar & Dragonite are banned. All moves not available on Pokemon in the old 50s meta are banned (e.g. Moonlight Umbreon). Pros Keeps the tournaments the same as the old OU 50s meta. Cons Players who have grown close to Tyranitar & Dragonite may not use them. Players who have leveled their OU 50s competitive Pokemon for moves may not use them. Option C Details Normal Mode Tournaments. Would be normal OU 50s tournaments. Pros Keeps the tournaments the same as the old OU 50s meta. Cons Players who have grown close to Tyranitar & Dragonite may not use them. Players who have leveled their OU 50s competitive Pokemon may not use them. Notes & Rules: This is not a vote. This is us gathering information and input from the community before making a fairly large decision. We will not be making any changes to the Masters tournament at large (e.g. mixing 100s and 50s). Feel free to list any other pros/cons that we've missed. They will be added to the OP. This topic will remain open for discussion until January 10th at 6:00 PM EST. All flaming will lead to hidden posts and further punishment if it continues. fredrichnietze, SirGaryOak, Daniellegal and 3 others 6 Link to comment
Xenocider Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 I say put tyranitar and dragonite in. Ttar isnt as much of an issue with the sandstorm boost removed and dragonite is a great wallbreaker. Link to comment
Alphatron Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 Yea, I see no point in the implementation of flat battles(which has been begged for since before breeding was implemented) if you aren't going to use them. Everyone has equal opportunity to use the level up moves not previously available at 50's and everyone has an equal opportunity to use Ttar and Dragonite or prepare to counter them. I dont think its gonna hurt to try out the full capabilities of flat battles. I think it will make for better matches in the long run. Link to comment
Barrage Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 I like option B the most, personally. Seems to give the most leniency while still upholding the rules originally intended for 50s. I know I do not officially hold a master's invitation, but hopefully my opinion still holds some weight. Link to comment
Senile Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 There's no point in this. The Master's tournament isn't going to be 3v3/4v4 to simulate those master's invites, it's not going to ban egg moves, etc.; The meta changes, it's ridiculous to try and keep it the same as before. The "Master" of a format should be the master of the format as it is now, flat battles are in, they should just deal with it. It's not like there isn't time to make a Dragonite or a Tyranitar. Arkhelien, eggroll, JeanMarc and 4 others 7 Link to comment
jayfeatskydd Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 Why not just allow them into the metagame? Link to comment
SirGaryOak Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 I don't have a masters but IMO Option C seems very fair, since that was how it was intended to be and also gives a difference to 100s and 50s players :P I think many already have started and made their strongest team already, but I might be wrong here haha. Anyways IMO Option C (once again I don't have masters!) Daniellegal 1 Link to comment
Daniellegal Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 I also liked of Option C Link to comment
jayfeatskydd Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 I don't run ttar or dragonite but I don't see why letting them in isn't an option? Link to comment
zteban Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 tyr and dragonite allowed, there is no reason to banned, the old lv50 meta is dead. i hope the rules dont change one hour before like in the team tournament Link to comment
KingBowser Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 Can we let the master players decide what they want to play? Personally wouldnt mind if ttar/dragonite was legal, but choice A also seems legit. Link to comment
iamyourGOD Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 wasn't there like a 50s OU and a 100s OU shouldn't it be the 50s OU without tyra drago / moves and 100s OU will be 50s flat with tyra drago / moves? and everyone could participate in every tier Link to comment
Fishtickles Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 Seeing as this tournament is specifically for those with masters and reserve tickets, the opinions of those ineligible to compete are irrelevant. Link to comment
Alphatron Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 Seeing as this tournament is specifically for those with masters and reserve tickets, the opinions of those ineligible to compete are irrelevant. If that were the case they could've just pm'd those with masters and reserve tickets instead of making it a public discussion. Also the OP is clearly addressing the community, so pls go. Link to comment
Barrage Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 If that were the case they could've just pm'd those with masters and reserve tickets instead of making it a public discussion. Also the OP is clearly addressing the community, so pls go. I agree that the opinion of non master's invitation holders is irrelevant. However, I see nothing wrong with a public address. It should not taint the final decision too much, though. Link to comment
DoctorPBC Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 I vote for allowing both... just because I can and I enjoy screwing with things. Link to comment
Rigamorty Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 Notes & Rules: This is not a vote. I vote for allowing both... just because I can and I enjoy screwing with things. Link to comment
TheBloo Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 i have a reserve in lv30 lightweights soooo if you could bring that back that'd be great [spoiler] semi srs [/spoiler] JeanMarc, Smoki and Archinix 3 Link to comment
DoubleJ Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 It's too late to go back at this point. As Senile said the meta has changed and in my opinion there should simply be three tournaments as designed previously. Two being flat battles with the current "Official Rules and Bans" and the other a doubles tournament. It's unfortunate that the induction of flat battles came before the Master's Championships, but nevertheless it is here and it has altered the way we play. As said before, we just have to deal. We are Masters right? JSTUD and jayfeatskydd 2 Link to comment
mauru2 Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 I dont have one and i wont pretend to have one but imo if i did, every single masters that has been won was won in the old meta, so respectively the masters should follow. Seems impossible to be fair for those who leveled 50s to 100s just because. so option a or b no ttar and dragon and moves masters should be fought in same way in which it was won Link to comment
Mataiden Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 This shouldn't only be a discussion for the Masters but for every tournament that is gonna be hosted in the future. Personally i would like to see the masters played with the same rules as which the players who won a Masters spot has done it. Would be fair to finish this tournament under the old rules, After the masters we should just allow Dragonite and Tyranitar. But i must agree, the players who are in the masters should just figure this out for themselves on how they want to play this tournament. Link to comment
Emlee Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 I don't have much to say about the discussion, mostly because I won't be participating, but I wanted to post and thank ShiChan/other staff involved for making a point to consult the player base in their decision making process. I am looking forward to spectating these tournaments. iamyourGOD, DoctorPBC and BeebBeebImaJeep 3 Link to comment
Dannnno Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 This shouldn't only be a discussion for the Masters but for every tournament that is gonna be hosted in the future. Personally i would like to see the masters played with the same rules as which the players who won a Masters spot has done it. Would be fair to finish this tournament under the old rules, After the masters we should just allow Dragonite and Tyranitar. But i must agree, the players who are in the masters should just figure this out for themselves on how they want to play this tournament. this would bring back the 3v3 and 4v4 meta, so pls no DoubleJ 1 Link to comment
Mataiden Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 this would bring back the 3v3 and 4v4 meta, so pls no And how would that bring back the 3v3 and 4v4 meta? Link to comment
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