[Denied]Implement a Happy/Sad stone to completely raise/lower happiness %

[Chestbrah]

I suggest adding a "happy stone" along with a "sad stone" which would raise happiness to 100% in a single use and drop happiness to 0% respectively. I have pokemon with return that at some point i'd want to trade but the happiness drop from deters this. The "stones" or whatever dont have to be named this, they can be a berry etc. You could put them in saffron market for 10k,50k,100k, whatever price you choose.

 

similar threads:

 

https://forums.pokemmo.eu/index.php?/topic/25911-the-glee-berry-a-berry-to-raise-happiness/page-1

https://forums.pokemmo.eu/index.php?/topic/23771-remove-happiness-drop-when-trading-pokemon/

 

thoughts?

[iSmashbro]

I like the idea. The specific prices mentioned would make incredibly overpowered considering that's about the cost of 10 vitamins, but I guess it can be tweaked to the staff's preferences

[Asakano]

This would make return, frustration, happiness evolutions, and trading comps much more easily accessible

Also throwing sad stones at pokemon to make them hate you sounds like fun :3

+1

[Sashimi]

perfect for return and frustration +1

[Munya]

My opinion on making happiness increase any easier still have not changed, still do not support.

[TheBloo]

I feel like that's too easy. Maybe if it was a 1 time thing that is consumed after use with an extremely high price or 9999 in gc

[Dannnno]

I feel like that's too easy. Maybe if it was a 1 time thing that is consumed after use with an extremely high price or 9999 in gc

 

This, although minus the GC. 

[TrainerAaron]

Perhaps a prize given away at tourney's? Which also make them more valuable.

[Robofiend]

1. Supporting, only because it sucks when your eevees are tryna evolve into umbreon while grinding e4. On a side note, just put pokemon that need more happiness in your party while you're running eggs.

[TheSpiritsBlithe]

I could see this being doable if it was nerfed significantly, but as you're suggesting it, it would break how the happiness system is supposed to work. It's supposed to be hard to raise happiness, that's why return at 100% has 105 power, and why pokemon like esp/umbreon are so cherished. Besides, it's not like it's impossible, you can get a pokemon to 100% with a a few hours of biking. 
INB4 it's too hard to lower happiness, this is fixed by just using return instead of frustration.

However, back to nerfing it. Say it would hypothetically raise/lower happiness by, like, 15% and be in the GC for 5,000 coins, possibly 3x as a mystery box prize.  According to my extremely rough (and somewhat made up) calculations, that wouldn't really alter the time it takes to get it to 100% that much, it would just give you a different way of doing it, and the ability to invest time in happiness before you have the pokemon you need to make happy.

Edit: I forgot (what I see as) the most important part of any idea: relevance. The happiness system as it is works fine, and this would create unneccessary work for the devs that could be better spent fixing bugs etc. It's a maybe-someday(TM)-this-would-be-cool thing in my opinion. 

[axx]

we already can spend like 100k in berries and will get happiness to 100%~ , tho having an item that drops or ups it all in a single use would be neat imo

[Dannnno]

we already can spend like 100k in berries and will get happiness to 100%~ , tho having an item that drops or ups it all in a single use would be neat imo

 

That only works if it actually reduces the EVs though, making it annoying and impractical 

[guigoz0rd]

I support if the item is consumable. Even if is very easy raises happiness with breeding, because we have to step. With a Soothe Bell a pokémon goes to 100% happiness while you hatch eggs and no one uses Frustration (will use if these items are implemented).

 

But in some emergencies, like you have to return (lol) a pokémon with Return to a friend and he will use the pokémon in a tournament in a few minutes, but then the happiness drop. Already happened to me. :P

 

If the item is consumable and the price is high, I don't see the problem. Like I stated, raises happiness is already easy, but only if you have time, so the item would be a excellent feature to the competitive community. I prefer the price in pokémoney, we use just to buy vitamins/berries and balls/repels. IMO grinding coins is worse than EV training. 

 

This item isn't really necessary now, still a good idea.

[Rigamorty]

what if there was just a vitamin for happiness? like the same price as vitamins, and can only bring it up to a certain point, then after that you have to work for the rest.

[Fluffyknowsyou]

Already have the soothe bell for happiness,but the sad stone or something to lower happiness would be awesome. It would make frustration an actual move.Although it would probably be awkward to program since holding an item raises happiness. xD

[axx]

That only works if it actually reduces the EVs though, making it annoying and impractical 

oh you are right, i forgot the "it would have no effect" sheet 

[Atuan]

I think this affects competitive games too much. I never liked that people would share Pokemon in a tournament. I actually enjoy the issues Return brings. There is, of course, the trading aspect. I don't see how that can hinder the value of Pokemon especially with the current breeding mechanics. We're constantly biking and I've raised all my Return comps from a disgustingly low happiness to 100% before even finishing one hatch.

 

I don't see Frustration ever replacing Return because steps affect Happiness. 

[TheSpiritsBlithe]

what if there was just a vitamin for happiness? like the same price as vitamins, and can only bring it up to a certain point, then after that you have to work for the rest.

Of the ideas posted, this seems the most realistic to me. 
IIRC, a pokemon's happiness is measured by a point system, between 0-255, 255 obviously being 100% 
Unless they changed it for the purposes of the MMO (which wouldn't surprise me) standard vitamins give +5 when your pokemon is between 0-99 points, +3 from 100-199, and +2 from 200-255. (not accounting for soothe bell)
However, those vitamins also raise EVs. Since what Rigamorty is proposing wouldn't affect stats, just happiness, it seems logical to me that the happiness increase should be significantly boosted. IE, perhaps 0-99 it gives +10, 100-149 +5, 150-199 +3, and become not usable at 200+. That would allow them to raise happiness to ~78%, which means getting to 87%/100% would still require some effort, as no vitamin should be able to do everything for you. However it would provide a much more time-practical method, and another source to sink our money into. 

[Mariah]

This would make return, frustration, happiness evolutions, and trading comps much more easily accessible

Also throwing sad stones at pokemon to make them hate you sounds like fun :3

+1

 

Then what would be the point? They're made this way to be challenging and not to be effortless to get. I feel like you guys are just lazy.~ I don't like this idea. 

[londark]

Bumping this.

 

With the nerfed money it'll be a pain to raise happiness with vitamins/berries.

 

My suggestion is to add a consumable item, the Happy Stone, that let a pokemon holding it to keep its happiness level when traded. After the trade the stone disappear.

[Shaniqualela]

My opinion on making happiness increase any easier still have not changed, still do not support.

happy pokemon op? has no effect on gameplay except about 5 pokemon evolve and 2 moves get stronger that arent that common

[Chestbrah]

happy pokemon op? has no effect on gameplay except about 5 pokemon evolve and 2 moves get stronger that arent that common

 

return is common

[Clim]

Ill continue walking in circles with my pokemon.

[nickesco]

Why not just enable soothe bell to give more happiness?

[Chibisaurus]

Why not just enable soothe bell to give more happiness?

 

It already is implemented...